Tein Street Advance BRZ/GT-86/FR-S Coilovers Released in Japan
 

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Yesteday Tein released their Street Advance for the BRZ/GT-86...Specs for theses are:

TOYOTA 86
Spring Rate: Ft 5.0k Rr 5.0k
Ride Height Drop: Ft -20mm Rr -20mm
Ride Height Adjustable Range: Ft -50～-20mm Rr -52～+19mm
MSRP: JPY 103,000

SUBARU BRZ
Spring Rate: Ft 5.0k Rr 5.0k
Ride Height Drop: Ft -25mm Rr -20mm
Ride Height Adjustable Range: Ft -50～-20mm Rr -47～+24mm
MSRP: JPY 103,000

The Tein Street Advance offers an economical version of their high quality coilover.
teel Construction • Twin Tube internal construction • Larger piston diameter for strut type front and rear (22mm) • 16-way Damping adjustment with over 200% increase in damping force change.* • Ride Height adjustable via spring seat • Powder coated damper body • Non-welded ZT coated Adjustment Tube • Full-Length Dust Boots • 1-piece Aluminum Spring Seat with Delrin Thrust Washer • Available for Overhaul • 1-year Manufacturers Defect Warranty

The US release will likely see slightly stiffer spring rates and damping. As soon as we get pricing a d technical specs for the US versions of the Tein Street Advance we will post them up!

o_O why are the drops and adjustment ranges different?!

If I were to go COs, I'd wait for the RCE ones. Tein's low end COs tend to be over damped and over sprung.

never heard of TIEN ever making a set for north american roads :(

SWEET! I LOVE TEIN and always wanted to put their products on one of my cars... Building the Christmas list!

Not uncommon on Tein products that fit multiple platforms...probably just due to a minor weight variation between the BRZ and 86.

Agreed, however most Street Advance applications sell for under $950. The Tein Street Advance are also designed for a different demographic than the more premium brands. If you want a premium coilover then Tein's Mono-Flex and Super Racing sets really are well built and well balanced for track use...but again, you pay for that.

Yup, always have. Back in March they put up a blog post about the reasons and variations.

Early on, last Decembers first drive journalists were told, repeatedly, that Toyota and Subaru had tuned their suspensions slightly differently. I take this as further evidence that the two cars handle very much alike, but NOT identically. And the difference is more than a sway bar swap out...

It's a safe assumption that...

is actually 5.0 kg/mm, which equates to 280 lb/in advertised spring rates.

Now we just need to figure out the stock spring rates. :popcorn:

fair enough, but why are the front drops different yet the rear adjustments are different. Unless it's a miss quote...?

I had a set of Tein SS coilovers on my Integra and they started leaking after less than 3k miles. Keep in mind the car was not slammed and streets in my area are not bad. Plus their coilovers are heavy. I would not buy again.

well just dont buy the pos ss. get flex or even better monoflex. if you buy crap, expect crap

Cool, thanks for the feedback!

It's a Tein.. I've yet to drive a set I liked.

The Subaru and Scion/Toyota have slightly different damper settings and spring rates.

BRZ has stiffer front springs which causes the front end to sit 5mm higher stock would be my guess. So once you put the coilovers on they'll both be the same height but it's s 25mm drop on the BRZ vs only a 20mm drop for the FR-S.

What brand do you prefer? I've only changed to coilover springs before... I was a poor high school kid and couldn't do the dampers too; however, for this car I plan on making the full investment. I was considering Greddy too if they came out with one because I like what they produce but like getting feedback from those with the experience! For some reason the TEIN name always appealed to me but I'll listen with open ears!

Bilstein, Koni, Penske, Koni race (not the yellow race, the real race shocks), Ohlins, high end Showa, Moton. I've heard great things about AST but I've never driven them.

Most of the JDM stuff is subpar for my uses. However if you are just driving the car on the street most of them should be acceptable. A lot of JDM stuff is the same part used for other cars. I prefer systems/setups developed for my specific needs and JDM OTS systems usually don't fit in there.

This was posted somewhere on here before, but it's a great read if you want to read about dampers a bit: http://farnorthracing.com/autocross_secrets6.html

Cool, thanks Dave! I'm just looking to get the car setting right and enjoying some mountain roads in the local area. Something that can improve performance, but not ruin the daily drive.

Which teins have you driven and for what cars? I have never slept with a super model I liked

A variety mostly for integras. Dynos of them were horrible too. Models I can't recall but it wasn't all their low end stuff. I gave up on them in 04 or 05 probably and would rather run stuff that I know works.

can't complain about my KW variant 3 coilovers so far. they're not as high-end as the stuff on dave's list (which i would gladly own any one of those!!), but they're a step above tein and other entry-level coilovers.

well i dont think its too fair to compare things from since the products im referring to didnt exist. either way we both know that they arent going to go head to head with ast, koni race, moton, penske etc. but for 99% percent of people even dedicated enough to be on this forum, the tein will be more that suffecient. we are really talking about maybe a second or two a lap at the cost of several hundred dollars.

Fixed.

And ride quality at high spring rates. You need good dampers for that. :)

And I agree with that fix.

V3s are nice for the street/track use also. I haven't driven anything with the clubsports yet though.

if KW offered club sports for my car, i would have purchased those. :(

As much as I would like to bicker ,I can't argue any of . I do thin that three mono flex if a least ass good a what kw has to offer but I admit that is subjective

^^ :laughabove: lol is this predictive text or drunk? ;)

one thing i noticed was that the monoflex has bump and rebound on one adjustment. my V3s have separate adjustments for both.

Tein has a huge range in their product line. Penske doesn't make anything close to Tein's lowend stuff price-wise but Tein have setups that will will compete with those highend brands, but they are not cheap. The 'stock' Sti that SOA set the Isle of Man record with last year was on Tein Rallymaster double adjuster remote reservoir (or something, they weren't very forthcoming about it) setup.

Yeah...stupid phone and its Swype. Also ipas

Would really like to see what ohlins has in store for the brz, always wanted a set of those.
Dave out of all the coilovers you had experience with which did you like the most and why?

Nice seeing coilovers released already.

Damn, there are going to be tons of 'tuners' that 'upgrade' their setups to realistically junk products. And I dont think tein makes any products that can match penske quality.

I will run stock until someone else pays to find out the best street setup :)

In the mean time I'll get a set of wheels and look forward to some power upgrade.

For this car? Probably not much. Bilstein Sports and GCs with custom rates or I'll try ASTs or KW V3s/CS if they have them. I look forward to the guys who really know what they are talking about to test and develop good systems. All of my experience is from driving cars with various setups, what I like when I'm driving doesn't mean it's the fastest or best. For most of us (myself included unless I decide to go for nationals in the BRZ) there won't be much benefit of running things like Penskes. Law of diminishing returns applies here for any street car/light autocross/light track use.

RCE I believe can get custom valved Bilsteins and there are others that can as well. Koni's are great too for the money. IMO stick with those shocks and ground controls with whatever spring rates you want.

For those who are really serious, they likely already have their favorite, whether it's Motons, Koni Race (real ones), Ohlins, Penske, etc. I'd probably go with Penske, or if this was a Honda a high end Showa like the Mugen or Spoon N1. You can run 1,400lb/in springs and it feels more or less like a car with a stock suspension. Great dampers are required for high spring rates, and it's where a lot of OTS setups fail. RCE has a shock dyno IIRC so I look forward to seeing them post shock dynos of products for this car. There's a Koni employee that's big into the honda scene and will test aftermarket gear on Koni's shock dyno for free (or used to be for free, not sure anymore) and send the results back to the owners (and post them on honda-tech back in the day). I've seen some pretty bad results with things like JIC, Tein, etc.

I'll stop argueing that the brands I don't use may make great products, I just haven't experienced their great products. I also like shocks that can be easily rebuilt in the US, that may be true with some of the JDM brands these days but it wasn't when I was more into this stuff.

1400 lbs/in? thats a little nuts. especially for cars as light as hondas. im sure that wont be needed for the brz due to the macphersons but i do agree that with proper damping, much stiffer rates could easily be more tolerable than oem. my miata with revalved bilsteins was running 550/350 and was firm but supple. my friends with ast were upwards of 700lbs/in and that rode even nicer

1000F/1400R = a very neutral FWD car with plenty of ability to change the direction of the car with the throttle only :P People drive with those rates on the street too on high end stuff. Personally it's too much spring on the street IMO, I prefer around 400-500F and 600-800R for a street Integra that gets a lot of track use too.

Once again, I have to agree with you completely. None of the twin tube or mono tube Tein stuff has impressed me, in some cases it has been far worse then stock. (S2000 is a great example) I drove on a set of the Super Racing I believe the model was called? Anyway, the shock valving and spring rates were light years from each other. This really just goes on my avoid list.