FRS vs BRZ pricing. Are you In or out?
 

Now that both cars' official prices have been released....

FR-S Pricing Thread:
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4328

BRZ Pricing Thread:
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4755


Me, I'm staying with the FR-S because fanboyism and favoritism and pride with Toyota. Never thought once about getting the BRZ over the FR-S!

No reason to not go for the BRZ now, Better interior all around, better head lights.

Much easier to swap front bumper then interior and headlights.

umm...you will have to swap headlights, otherwise the bumper wont fit..

there was a thread talking about the headlights can be swaped with out changing bumpers soooooo. Unless that was disproved.(hope not)

I don't really think it matters, they are the same car with different options. HIDs at autozone/o'rilley is only like $200 for the pair and navi can be argued down. I personally don't like the jersey cloth of the mid-range interior, but different strokes for different folks.

For sure BRZ seems like it's a better deal with the HIDs, an better stereo. I still do like the FR-S looks better though.

Yes, I think the BRZ is a better value. Doesn't mean I'd buy one, but I do think it's a better value. In the USA anyway.

We'll see what Canada gets.

Jeff

actually on the stereo part. The HU itself includes navi sure, but the wattage is lower than the FRS. Unless those numbers were incorrect (another thread, I'll have to find it)

Granted, that's nothing either way. I'm more or less just concerned about the material quality of each cloth and how long each would last.

I much prefer the look of the FR-S and how it looks like the GT-86 (I am planning on a rebadge) I am not willing to spend over $1300 for nav and HID's. I know some folks think the FR-S is over priced, but personally given that an teeny iQ costs $16,000 with all the same Scion gadgets on it. Cars are just way more expensive than they used to be.

That being said I think both cars look fantastic and I am sure no matter what car someone chooses, FR-S/BRZ I think they will be a delight to drive and own for many many years.

cancelled my FR-S order this morning and swapped sides to the BRZ. better value in my opinion.

FR-S looks better.
FR-S is simpler (don't need a tv screen in my sports car).
FR-S is lighter (although somewhat trivial - it's worth more to me then fancy features).
FR-S is tuned for over steer.


$1200 for HIDs and navigation isn't what I call a screaming deal.

I'm sticking with the FR-S. Main reason, the only Subaru dealership sucks here. What I'm hoping now is that most of Scion's accessories for the FR-S will match what the BRZ has standard, which I don't see that hard to do.

How much lighter is the FR-S over the BR-Z? Not being sarcastic but I really don't know.

Agree on point #1 though. I'll install my gauges down the road as I get more serious.

I wouldn't want the nav either way, but I would like the HID's. Still probably not enough to convince me to get the BRZ over the FR-S. Even though I do consider it a better value, I think the FR-S would still get my vote based on USA pricing/options.

It is a pretty close comparison though for pricing.

Jeff

Greatly prefer the FR-S exterior.
Greatly prefer the BRZ interior (want leather/alcantara).

WTF, Toyobaru.

Might end up getting another used S2000, though I really want a fixed-roof and +2 utility.

Still getting the FR-S!

Before you FR-Sers jumps ship, consider that it is a $1315 difference. A grand isn't chump change. OEM Navs are normally mediocre, and HIDs are more bling than function. That money could put you into a good set of rims, or put towards a great set of rims (Volks). Not to mention that will put you half way towards a great set of coilovers, or one hell of a stereo system that would put the BRZ's to shame.

So don't stress out too much. :)

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I want the cheaper one! Track days and weekend races don't care for HIDs, feel good seats and a nicer stereos! ;)

Same, HIDs are the one thing I would want. Once you have a car with HIDs it's actually kind of hard to go back. They do make a pretty big difference at night.

But they aren't worth more then a grand. They should be a 300-400 factory/dealer option, or if you really want them you can get bulbs and housings for cheaper on the aftermarket.

I have a feeling Scion will open up options in the future. Once Subaru brings out the stripped BRZ which competes more directly with the FR-S I think the FR-S will also offer more options to compete with the BRZ.

I think Subaru will have to think twice about making these "limited availability". They're gonna cannabalize FR-S sales sooo bad!

Amen :thumbup: also we should get a group buy for las vegas scion folks. Maybe get some deals on accessories or something maybe waive doc fee? xD

Yup ^^^^^

I don't want either of them anyway! HID's carry more weight, right?

The Scion red accents, ugly white tach and headlights that stick out past the bumper all add to the HIDs for me. The Nav is whatever, but I have a lot of dislike for Toyota/Scion's design choices on this one. Even Toyota used the black tach in the higher models.

Yep, a solid 2 lbs or so.

We'll see. Typically from Toyota/Lexus, HID's are about a $900 option by themselves and nav is about $1900, so that makes it somewhat of a good value to me. Having done a factory HID setup in my Lexus, I know that doing it after the fact can cost at least double that, so getting it from the factory is a much more appealing idea to me.

Still, if I got the FR-S, I would probably be ordering the European LHD HID/LED lights. It would cost as much as getting a BRZ, and I still wouldn't have nav (which I don't want, but still).

Jeff

Most people consider HID conversions to be the cheap $50 PnP junk.

The real HID setups are worth it IMO, PnP.. no. :thumbup:

the scion badge on the steering wheel was enough to make me look the to the brz in the beginning

Yeah the thing with Toyota is they usually throw it into a package, so the price is inflated for the actual HIDs.

The $900 is for the HID's standalone. The packages that include them are a lot more than that.

Jeff

Sticking with FR-S:
1. Less expensive
2. Lighter weight
3. Don't care for HID / Navagation
4. Preference in suspension setup for the FR-S because I plan on keeping the suspension stock until time to replace components from wear.
5. Availability - the BRZ will be sold in a much more limited quantity than the FR-S = MUCH longer wait time to get one. Subaru themselves have said they want the BRZ to be a rarer sight than the FR-S on the roads.
6. Subaru dealership - only one, way far away : plenty of Toyota/Scion dealership close by in comparison.

Not buying either new, probably scoop one up used in 2-3 years after all the low income guys realize they can't afford it.

I'm sticking with the FR-S. I don't really care for leather seats and I've hated the front of the BRZ ever since the first time I saw it. If the photos from the NYIAS are to be believed, the nav unit will probably be an option, if not there is always aftermarket to look at.

They are the same size and shape, just the bumpers are different.

I wouldn't say "tuned for over steer". Most reviewers have mentioned that they cannot distinguish any suspension differences in between the two.

Right, one buys for what their needs are. I for one, want it as a DD, so I prefer the extra goodies over a more bare model, mostly for track use, as the Scion is.

per corner? lol

Maybe. The last set of balasts I held weighed <1lb each.. bulbs are more or less the same. The bixenon part probably adds a little weight too since it contains a tiny motor I believe. I've never taken bixenon projectors apart so I'm not sure on that part.

BRZ is a better value, IMHO, but the difference is almost negligible. I loled at the third option and even more so when I saw people voted BRZ 2:1.:bellyroll:

If it was just Nav and HIDs it would be worth the cost if that is what you want. I like the BRZ more myself, but I don't need Nav or HID. :lol:

No# 6 is what gets me the most. I could wait, weight difference and price is small. But the nearest dealership is well over an hour. Annoying.

Im with You, love the exterior, but prefer the interior of the Brz Premium.To me the FRS interior looks ricey with the red accents on the seats, just a bit too teenage for me.

I have to make an argument, for an extra 1300 the brz do come with more then just HID and Navigation, those are just the main two options that we look at. I believe we get fog lights and etc. (reference me)

BRZ selling point to me is Overall Nicer Interior, HID, good
FRS Selling point is Cheaper, exterior looks a little bit better.

I am young (23), not interested in tracking the car a lot, maybe 2-4 a year. Main point for me to buy the car, is to serve the purpose as a car and a panty dropper.

the final factor will be Financing rate

Right now, i think i would get the BRZ > FRS because of quality. The FRS is Cheaper but thats because it looks cheap.

Perrin is getting on board with the BRZ/FR-S?!?!

Most exciting moment of this thread, right here.

It's funny to see members make that much of a deal for the HID's to begin with. Baking the headlights with the FX-R IVs and you'll looking around $400 maybe less if you jump on a group buy.

TBH, who gives a shit about HIDs! You guys need to stop overhyping it! :D

FR-S!

HIDs and NAVI!! That's not much to say about that, not much of a bargain. HIDs can be installed on the FR-S! Plus, I dont like either design of Scion or Subaru's NAVI/Stereo. Swapping that as well. Going to rebadge as too! Toyota!!!!

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