stock tires
 

hi guys,

i know a lot of threads were made on the stock tires...and ive searched and couldn't find an answer...but i swear i read some where on this forum regarding it..but anyways, please link me to the tread if you can find it for me..

I know our cars come with Bridgestones and Michelins....was there a reason why there were two diff. kind of tires?

does one have a longer tread life than the other? is one better than the other?

i am annoyed that everytime i make a turn and i add a bit of gas, the back squeals...makes neighboring cars think i do not know how to control my car or trying to show off....thanks

You could easily go on tire rack, look up both tires and get the answer your looking for...

Michelins are summer tires, bridgestone are all seasons.

Both about the same grip levels, mediocre grip tires.

There a other tires that would chirp less, i'd look up some medium grip tires.

The michelins primacies are considered a summer tire, therefore in most places in the U.S. dealers sold the cars with Bridgestone all seasons during the winter. Overall the Michelin Primacy is a slightly better tire, slightly more grippy, but it's also a low rolling resistance tire . as well.

The biggest crock is that most dealers that sold the car with the Bridgestones added an additional charge for "all season tires" even though they swapped the Michelins for a less expensive Bridgestone.

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If you want a better street tire look at tire racks "Max Performance Summer" category. Something like the Michelin Pilot Super Sport or Yokohama S drives would give you more grip, but any tire is going to squeal if you drive at the edge if its grip limit.

The other downside to those tires is of course the life of the tire, softer the rubber the shorter it's life. You just need to decide what a happy medium is for you between tire life and performance

The main downsize of those tires is that they have too much grip (ironically enough a problem that's occurring in modern days car), in my eyes its best to invest your money in a medium grip tire. So you can still have good grip but you can still easily access over steer, but not as easy as on the stock tires.

Also the fact that summer tires need to be hot to achieve prime grip where no so much on all seasons, but thats a whole different argument, which personally i have yet to see if true.

True, if you are looking to drift the car around those are not the best tires to do it on, that being said, I autocross quite frequently and have even grippier tires (ZII Star Specs) and I have no problems swinging the rear end around when needed with a mixture of trail breaking and a quick tap on the gas pedal. I have a set of S. drives on my daily driver and I think they are fantastic, never wanted for more grip in street driving, and reviews say the Michelin Super Sports are even better

The real benefit of the OEM tire is there is going to be so many people selling them used you might find yourself finding it hard to find a better bang for buck. Think 50-75 for a almost brand new OEM tire. If you aren't racing its probably good enough for most people.

stock tires(junk) + FRS suspension = squeak squeak

:lol::iono: wut?

While the OEM tire is "junk" relatively for a sports car it still has more grip than the average tire of the average person (cheap all seasons)

hmmm.....$200. is a lot to have to pay for a piece of junk .... :eyebulge:

The OEM Michelins seem to work good for me, in my area and my kind if driving (in the summertime at least).

humfrz

Swap them out for some good performance summer rubber if your weather permits and prepare to be impressed. The average driver may not notice how uninspiring these tires are until theyve tried something worth while.

Good thought. However, if I had better tires (stickier) and went around corners any faster than I do now, I'm afeared I would "lose" my co-pilot for good ..... ;)

humfrz

I take it your new to cars?

Or your just being an asshole?

Dont suggest Im new to cars when you are the one making things up about too much grip from rubber.

You seriously think there's no such thing as too much grip?

The Michelin pilot power tire on my R1 last 4,000 miles. What do you think the grip would be?

There is such a thing as tires that are too wide for cars. But too much grip from sticky tire compounds is not an actual problem. Why dont you show us all some figures or research on this claim for too much grip? If its as obvious as you make it out to be Im sure it wont take you long.

Research?

What am i the founder of understeer and oversteer? :bellyroll:


I'll humor you, lets take it in baby steps.

Why are these mediocre passenger tires doing a on a car like the Scion FRS and BRZ?

Easy, the tires break traction at low speeds, which allows lots of oversteer fun without the need of too much power at the wheels, etc.

What happens when you put a more "sticky" tire on the FRS? Say the Super sports or goodyear F1's? The ability to break the tires at lower speed is lessen, you will have too much grip to do so. Can you break traction? Of course, but for most drivers it'll lead to them doing so at dangerous speeds that if they do lose control, the factors could be far more worse and deadly.

Remember, this car is biased to oversteer in its factory set up.

I'm not talking about track days here, i'm talking about street driving.

If u have more grip than u can use, u are reducing ur acceleration (rolling resistance) and mpg. Dont believe me? Take two identical frs, one on stocks, and another on wide race slicks (same weight though) and drag race them... Ull see. If there was no such thing as "too much" then why dont all supercars come with 400 width r compound tires on all corners? Lol

There is a thing called proper slip angle (black magic) which for some cars can be affected by too much grip. Though i have yet to see proof on our cars for anyone running 215's and r comps of problems with that.

I think some Miatas had that problem...i have no idea its been a while since i browsed the good ol' MX-5 forums.

The car is plain better on stickier tires. (Almost) everyone knows that.

It goes through one ear and right out the other. :lol:

I run 235/40-18 Potenza RE760 Sport's. They are nice and sticky, but not overly sticky; love them to death. the car feels so much better and that extra inch in width makes a HUGE difference

With nothing to slow it down on the way through.:lol:

I'm talking about oversteer baby!

Of course most people on this forum are going to love and run the most sticky tire, because racecar.

But there is just something so enjoyable in finding the right tire that can give you those little baby oversteer when your leaving a corner. Just that little climax. I can't afford track days (student) but i can enjoy these little bits of oversteer which fuel my hooligan infested mind.

It's not porn, its HBO. Okay?

When the stock tires wear out. Replace them with the same thing or something harder. Either way, you will be the first person I ever heard of to do that.

I'm running my second set of Primacy HP's, picked up another set dirt cheap from another FRS. These tires do have a pretty good tread life, others one lasted to 15K of miles with rough driving.

I'm pretty sure i'm not the only one here looking for medium grip tires, i have run Hankooks Ventus V4 for two weeks and they were very good for my driving style.

As long as you aren't running R-Comps it's relatively easy to break traction at the rear no matter what street tire you are running. I daily drive my Star Specs and have problems getting the traction control to pop on if I give quick steering input and goose it around the corner. it requires a little more entry speed than you would need on the stock tires for sure, but not all that much. the biggest difference is the on the star specs the front stick better at the limit so instead of going into a four wheel slide the tail end of the car flicks out.

Unless you are trying to drift, there is no such thing as a tire with too much grip and you don't need to be drifting while out on the street anyways. If you a poor student looking to have fun with the car, find a local club that does autocross event, it will be loads more fun than fooling around on the streets and safer for you, your car and the public in general.

I believe those may be harder tires. Well, you do know what you like.

These tires are not junk. They are a grand touring tire. If you don't know what that means, and that different tires have different purposes, please don't post your opinions as fact.

They are very good tires for non-track driving. If you want to set lap times, then get a tire made for that purpose.

The Primacy HP is Michelin's Grand Touring Summer tire developed to provide longer tread life and lasting performance throughout the tire's life, as well as better braking, steering control and handling on wet roads. The Primacy HP meets Michelin's Green X standard* for low rolling resistance that confirms the tire's contribution to reducing vehicle fuel consumption and emissions of CO2 gases.

Oh boy! That sounds like great fun!!!

I didnt appreciate you insulting me and I dont appreciate you trying to take baby steps with me.

Those who care about handling(and bringing out the best in this car) will want as much grip as possible period.

Drifto DK supa stars that like to lose traction on public roads might get a kick out of the prius rubber their scion comes with but they sure as hell arent getting performance. Why do you care about people driving at dangerous speeds with good rubber when you yourself admit to the dangerous loss of control on public roads?

C/N: No such thing as too much grip unless you prefer to drive like a _______ on the streets. Keep the 'oversteer fun' for $40 autoX days and spare us.

I got rid of the stockies as soon as I could. I couldn't trust a Prius tire on a sports car.

Relax im not suggesting slicks, just actual performance rubber and not prius overstock. The tires are junk, only the uninformed think otherwise (and maybe those that bought this car for fuel eco).

I just drove in the wet for the first time. Wow. Slippery as hell on the stock Michelins. I also have two sets of wheels and stock tires (thanks, Omegared!) so I'm not sure if I can justify putting on anything sticker until I wear these guys out.

Hi chulooz ..... http://www.runemasterstudios.com/gra...mages/wave.gif

Do you drive a FR-S or BRZ .. ??

If so, did it come OEM with the Michelin's in question ..??

humfrz

Hi, I have had seat time in a BRZ with stock miches. Having been on real rubber before I felt this was the least inspiring component of the car, honest. My experience is hardly unique.

Have you driven on any max performance summer tires?