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DMDominator 09-16-2013 03:51 PM

Lowest $ Amount Someone Has Thought You Paid For Your FR-S?
 
Had a "know-it-all" type hit me with a 23 grand comment once. Told him I wish it had been that cheap, lol.

s0sl0w 09-16-2013 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by DMDominator (Post 1215463)
Had a "know-it-all" type hit me with a 23 grand comment once. Told him I wish it had been that cheap, lol.

Are you serious? MSRP is $25k so 23K isn't that much off. The FR-S isn't expensive, hell even the BRZ limited isn't really expensive. Get over yourself, your car is nothing special or expensive.

mav1178 09-16-2013 03:59 PM

Is this supposed to be a rant against people that devalue the worth of this car with their off-hand comments?

-alex

JDMenrique 09-16-2013 04:00 PM

i paid $24,125 before T,T&T

DMDominator 09-16-2013 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by s0sl0w (Post 1215476)
Are you serious? MSRP is $25k so 23K isn't that much off. The FR-S isn't expensive, hell even the BRZ limited isn't really expensive. Get over yourself, your car is nothing special or expensive.

That's not where I was going. Just asking a question. Thanks for being so polite. :thumbsup:

DMDominator 09-16-2013 04:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mav1178 (Post 1215484)
Is this supposed to be a rant against people that devalue the worth of this car with their off-hand comments?

-alex

Nope. Just asking.

Gaiseric 09-16-2013 04:06 PM

I have actually seen the opposite, usually people that don't know what they're looking at assume its in the 30's cause its a small sports car that looks pretty damn good! :drool:

I think someone without any knowledge of the cars might assume that because it has a Scion badge that it could be in the low 20's high 10's since its a brand known for making cheap affordable vehicles that look pretty cool. (except the boxy one):thumbdown:

torqdork 09-16-2013 04:10 PM

$30K low, $60K high. To me? Priceless, until the Next Big Thing comes along.

tech4pdx 09-16-2013 04:11 PM

$45,000

strat61caster 09-16-2013 04:11 PM

$30k, I don't think anybody has thought it was over $50k but I always get a laugh when some guy driving an Infiniti or Lexus or Mercedes something admires my car and act surprised that I have something so "nice" when they could probably trade their car in and get cash back for mine. They usually don't talk about price though...

Out the door for ~$27k for reference, I tell people "just under $28k" though due to fees and I got a discount.

DMDominator 09-16-2013 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Gaiseric (Post 1215508)
I think someone without any knowledge of the cars might assume that because it has a Scion badge that it could be in the low 20's high 10's since its a brand known for making cheap affordable vehicles that look pretty cool. (except the boxy one):thumbdown:

That's exactly what I thought. Your average person doesn't even know that Toyota owns Scion. Someone asked me if it was a Saturn the other day.

Kelbyat07 09-16-2013 04:17 PM

Everyone thought mine was expensive.

BlueDubbinTDI 09-16-2013 04:21 PM

Lol Ive never gotten a $# (just jealousy) from anyone but I mean all you have to do is look at the paint quality or the interior to know it wasn't over $30k. If it was FWD and had a normal 4 banger it would be worth about half that.

ric342 09-16-2013 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by s0sl0w (Post 1215476)
Are you serious? MSRP is $25k so 23K isn't that much off. The FR-S isn't expensive, hell even the BRZ limited isn't really expensive. Get over yourself, your car is nothing special or expensive.

lol so u paid more for a car that is the same :thumbsup:(talk more shit man)

GT86meMR2 09-16-2013 04:54 PM

Most of them think 40.000€ here however the GT86/BRZ do look more expensive than a FR-S have never heard anyone say the interior looks like shit though and when you know that everyone and their momma drives BMW/Audi/Mercedes here than that's saying alot, i dont know the differences in the interior between the FR-S and GT86/BRZ though

s0sl0w 09-16-2013 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by ric342 (Post 1215580)
lol so u paid more for a car that is the same :thumbsup:(talk more shit man)

:thumbdown:

I paid more for features I wanted that weren't available in the Scion. Idiot.

ric342 09-16-2013 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by s0sl0w (Post 1215625)
:thumbdown:

I paid more for features I wanted that weren't available in the Scion. Idiot.

Im not hating on any car just stating the facts. you can buy the mods yourself for less than they charge "idiot" the radio is garbage and the push button start is the only redeemable feature, and bedsides did u notice that because they added all those additional features they had to move the engine forward? this is a forum don't be calling people names, show respect and dont talk shit :laughabove::happyanim:

strat61caster 09-16-2013 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by ric342 (Post 1215737)
and bedsides did u notice that because they added all those additional features they had to move the engine forward?

speechless

yarik83 09-16-2013 06:40 PM

If you ask me I think both frs and brz are overpriced. But then so is scion tc. Let's forget for a moment that this is a sports car. Let's look at the facts. All of the cars are overpriced. You walk into a stealership and this is what you see: overpriced, overpriced, overpriced, overpriced, sort of overpriced, sort of overprice, way overpriced, way overpriced, totally out of your league, astronomically overpriced.

I really don't know what the golden value should be but car value feels like a bad investment when compared to something like a house. For $25,000 you can buy a single wide mobile home. For $50,000 you can buy a double wide mobile home. Both will last you (assuming you want to live in that type of building) pretty much a life time and at the end after 50 some odd years they will still sell for at least half the price you paid into them.

A car like Toyota Sienna costs what... $26 grand. + whatever upkeep and maintenance. By end of its life you would have probably spent $40,000 on the car. And if you think about why cars cost so much it is because of silly stuff like "in car vacuum cleaner". Why can't you take a good old extension cord and do it like all normal people did for 70+ years? It is every silly gadget that you do not need on the car. It is every pointless gadget on the car.

Does my tacoma really need 13 cup holders? 2 in each of four doors, 5 in center console. How about the little gadget that tells me how hot it is... that never worked right and then broke and costs $700 to replace at the dealer?! It is stuff like that that makes cars overpriced.

So when people look at a car such as frs or brz... there does not seem much value in it, much like sitting inside an evo or a wrx... it looks plain... because it is a driver's car.

When frs consept came out I was really hoping it would be a $20,000 car. But it is not and it won't be for a very long time. But err... either way people will throw the prices out into the air because they are not familiar with the car. There is no general knowledge of frs to an extent that say... a camry is known for.

Frstorm 09-16-2013 06:46 PM

Yarick- why by a partial home for 50k when you can get a home in Michigan for half that? See you logic doesn't even make sense. No offense but I got a frs to drive. I get a home to sell for more money than I paid for it. Double wides aren't worth it. Much better buying a fixer upper and in ten years after akl the fixes are done by yourself sell it for double buy a house for cash and live mortgage free with your logic. Seriously who buys a car as an investment? To me ill have my frs till I die. I only buy new cars I want for life and easily buy a cheap dd that is disposable.

strat61caster 09-16-2013 06:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by yarik83 (Post 1215804)
If you ask me I think both frs and brz are overpriced.

Why did you pay >$15k for that Tacoma? I've spent about $3k on my Nissan, I get 23 mpg and it has done everything I have asked of it and I can sell it for at least $2k, if not more. What can your truck do that mine can't? Seems overpriced to me...

s0sl0w 09-16-2013 07:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ric342 (Post 1215737)
Im not hating on any car just stating the facts. you can buy the mods yourself for less than they charge "idiot" the radio is garbage and the push button start is the only redeemable feature, and bedsides did u notice that because they added all those additional features they had to move the engine forward? this is a forum don't be calling people names, show respect and dont talk shit :laughabove::happyanim:

It's always neat when ever you hit the nail on the head. Calling you an idiot wasn't name calling, it was stating fact.

The engine is in the exact same place. And you could not add keyless start, alcantra, satnav, auto climate control, and bixenons properly at OEM quality levels for anywhere near $2,000. Not too mention the BRZ suspension is better setup.

Luis_GT 09-16-2013 08:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ric342 (Post 1215737)
Im not hating on any car just stating the facts. you can buy the mods yourself for less than they charge "idiot" the radio is garbage and the push button start is the only redeemable feature, and bedsides did u notice that because they added all those additional features they had to move the engine forward? this is a forum don't be calling people names, show respect and dont talk shit :laughabove::happyanim:

I'm sorry... but are you serious? With your lack of knowledge of the twins, and your lack of sentence structure, you just proved the man was right...

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Originally Posted by s0sl0w (Post 1215970)
Not too mention the BRZ suspension is better setup.

I disagree... Oversteer > Understeer

strat61caster 09-16-2013 08:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by s0sl0w (Post 1215970)
Not to mention the BRZ suspension is better setup.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Luis_GT (Post 1215984)
I disagree... Oversteer > Understeer

The suspension setups are endlessly debatable and this isn't the place, lets go back to how overpriced this car is and how keyless entry moves the engine forward...

campy 09-16-2013 08:23 PM

$16,000













(after trade in)

ric342 09-16-2013 08:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by s0sl0w (Post 1215970)
It's always neat when ever you hit the nail on the head. Calling you an idiot wasn't name calling, it was stating fact.

The engine is in the exact same place. And you could not add keyless start, alcantra, satnav, auto climate control, and bixenons properly at OEM quality levels for anywhere near $2,000. Not too mention the BRZ suspension is better setup.

no it is not put the car side by side the engine in the brz is pushed forward a little... nothing else needs to be said think what you may but, if you don't believe me do the research. :iono:http://image.importtuner.com/f/event...ine-bay-03.jpg
http://www.autoweek.com/galleryimage...ted-engine.jpg
think what you may and so will I! douche

Luis_GT 09-16-2013 08:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ric342 (Post 1216057)
no it is not put the car side by side the engine in the brz is pushed forward a little... nothing else needs to be said think what you may but, if you don't believe me do the research. :iono:

http://images.wikia.com/creepypasta/...s_facepalm.jpg

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m5...cc6bo1_500.gif

s0sl0w 09-16-2013 09:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ric342 (Post 1216057)
no it is not put the car side by side the engine in the brz is pushed forward a little... nothing else needs to be said think what you may but, if you don't believe me do the research. :iono:http://image.importtuner.com/f/event...ine-bay-03.jpg
http://www.autoweek.com/galleryimage...ted-engine.jpg
think what you may and so will I! douche

Perspective, how do you work? You obviously have no idea what you're talking about but since you insist that you're correct please show me the technical documentation that you've seen that states this "fact" p.s. photos of the ngine bay are not technical documentation, even if they were actually taken from the same position amd perspective.

Luis, oversteer is nice and all but in back to back transitions the FR-S tends to get very twitchy while the BRZ stays more stable. But don't take my word for it, many autocrossers and auto testers can confirm it. Aside from all that I preferred the BRZ in practically every dimension so it was the car to buy.

Luis_GT 09-16-2013 09:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by s0sl0w (Post 1216116)

Luis, oversteer is nice and all but in back to back transitions the FR-S tends to get very twitchy while the BRZ stays more stable. But don't take my word for it, many autocrossers and auto testers can confirm it. Aside from all that I preferred the BRZ in practically every dimension so it was the car to buy.

I couldn't, mainly cause PR doesn't have any BRZ's, I may have bought one if it was available due to the features... thankfully the 10 Series arrived and I got the good looking front bumper :D

ric342 09-16-2013 09:28 PM

One of my buddies who is a mechanical engineer and a subaru junkie told me about this issue with the BRZ, and I trust the guy. I don't have hard evidence but he hasn't steered me wrong, and besides how could someone come up with that off the top of there head? oh and you were right about the pics :bonk:

Luis_GT 09-16-2013 09:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ric342 (Post 1216186)
One of my buddies who is a mechanical engineer and a subaru junkie told me about this issue with the BRZ, and I trust the guy. I don't have hard evidence but he hasn't steered me wrong, and besides how could someone come up with that off the top of there head? oh and you were right about the pics :bonk:

Being a mechanical engineer doesn't mean he know anything about cars...

Next thing I know you're going to tell me that my FR-S has the engine moved to the front as well... :lol:

ric342 09-16-2013 09:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Luis_GT (Post 1216194)
Being a mechanical engineer doesn't mean he know anything about cars...

Next thing I know you're going to tell me that my FR-S has the engine moved to the front as well... :lol:

the guy rebuilds engines for a living I think he knows a thing or 2 about the positioning. But enough arguing ill look into it myself and if I find that there is or isn't a difference I will post it.

Luis_GT 09-16-2013 09:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ric342 (Post 1216200)
the guy rebuilds engines for a living I think he knows a thing or 2 about the positioning. But enough arguing ill look into it myself and if I find that there is or isn't a difference I will post it.

Let me help you...

HE'S WRONG!

Know you know.

PS, building engines has nothing to do with the position it goes into a car...

s0sl0w 09-16-2013 11:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ric342 (Post 1216186)
One of my buddies who is a mechanical engineer and a subaru junkie told me about this issue with the BRZ, and I trust the guy. I don't have hard evidence but he hasn't steered me wrong, and besides how could someone come up with that off the top of there head? oh and you were right about the pics :bonk:

Quote:

Originally Posted by ric342 (Post 1216200)
the guy rebuilds engines for a living I think he knows a thing or 2 about the positioning. But enough arguing ill look into it myself and if I find that there is or isn't a difference I will post it.

I'm a mechanical engineer and I'm telling you he's wrong. But let's introduce some common sense into the equation.

Does it make sense that two cars that are produced in the same factory by one company and engineered by the same teams for both and are the same in every single design detail and almost every single styling detail would have the engine moved in any direction relative to the other car? Do you know how much work and engineering would have to be done to do that? It wouldn't exactly be easy.

Furthermore what about keyless start, dual zone climate controller and bi-xenon headlamps make you think that those options would require fundamental design changes? This is not as simple as some guy steered you wrong, this goes to a level that displays a complete lack of critical thinking ability and simple rational thought. I actually feel kind of bad for you because your life cannot be easy if you're truly that simple, illogical, and gullible.

campy 09-16-2013 11:24 PM

as a professional internet comment engineer I can safely say that the brz is better because it comes with the turbo

tech4pdx 09-16-2013 11:25 PM

My engine is the FA20S. S stands for Super. It's an easter egg that gear heads at the plant put in. It produces 300hp. Quality control never caught on to it. My identity may be revealed now that this information has been leaked. Check your blocks.. Look for the S.

It's no coincidence that the new iPhone was just announced too!

Trust no one..!

Later.

ZionsWrath 09-16-2013 11:44 PM

Ultimate trolling,

my mind is so full of fuck.jpg

On topic

My friend, even though I told him the price breakdown of my car, thinks someone could afford it making $8 an hour cash. I try to talk sense into him saying after taxes and financing its gonna be around 30k he doesn't get it

TRD-X 09-16-2013 11:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by s0sl0w (Post 1215625)
:thumbdown:

I paid more for features I wanted that weren't available in the Scion. Idiot.


Well idiot my 10 Series was only $27K with most of your features on your car so you got fucked.:lol:

See anyone can talk shit.

Luis_GT 09-16-2013 11:50 PM

Pffft... I'm the overpriced champ here... Mine was $34495! SUCK IT!

Brndn704 09-16-2013 11:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by campy (Post 1216406)
as a professional internet comment engineer I can safely say that the brz is better because it comes with the turbo

Oh really? Well my FRS came with a TWIN turbo, and NOS.


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