If Subaru, Then Scion
 

If, at some point, Subaru releases a 250 hp lightweight BRZ, does that mean that Scion will come out with a version of a 250 hp lightweight FR-S?

Im sure both companies will release "tuned" versions of this car... The real question is, will they be available outside of Japan?

There was an article that user poormans_LFA posted that stated something like this...since the STI BRZ would be built from that same factory, it's likely Toyota would share that same platform as the BRZ for their upgraded 86. But I think they were mostly talking about the Chassis and suspension. But to keep competition, it would seem that TRD would aid to match the STI. So maybe the two will have different engine upgrades...?

Here's the snippet of that article:

Toyota has already admitted that success for the Scion FR-S won't be determined by its conventional means of profit and sales numbers. This car has been developed purely to inject fun and a sense of youth back into the Toyota brand via Scion. But we know it won't stop with a run-of-the-mill model and, like Subaru, it has already committed to plenty of official aftermarket parts from Toyota Racing Development (TRD).

Beyond that, there are rumblings that there will be a full-fledged high-performance version directly from TRD in 2013. Also, it makes sense that because the Scion FR-S is built alongside the BRZ at Subaru's Gunma plant in central Japan, it will share the STI's mechanical package. Still, there's talk that Toyota is considering supercharging the 2.0-liter boxer for its high-performance version. Considering TRD has a long and successful association with blowers in the U.S. (remember the supercharged tC) and given today's efficient and compact water-to-air intercooler designs, boosting the FR-S's bottom end to a significant extent would be a fairly straightforward affair.

Seven pounds of boost would increase the FR-S's output to around 260 hp and 260 lb-ft of torque, giving it a power-to-weight ratio on par with far more costly hardware. As for the rest of the package, it'd be similar to the STI BRZ, with lighter, wider wheels, stickier rubber, larger brakes and a stiffer suspension. And our visual makeover is intended to make it look like a baby Lexus LFA, using a unique front bumper (with 'Ring-style winglets) and faux vents in the rear arches.

Might as well link the thread even though it's one of the first ones
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4658

really doesn't matter, aftermarket will fix that for us. 250-280 should be ready by summer, I think I will wait till December to make my purchase or hold, by then we should get more details about the 2014 model and also I might get a good deal on a 2013 model.

definitely does matter to some people. Aftermarket power upgrades not only void your powertrain warranty, but also decrease your resale value. You pay extra money to reduce what the car is worth.

Personally, I wouldn't trust any car with a 25-40% power boost from an aftermarket setup as my DD. You can certainly gain a couple of HP from aftermarket parts, but getting that kind of performance boost will require a large sacrifice in reliability and/or gas mileage.

lol. Many people DD their aftermarket boosted cars. My last daily had a 120% power boost and was reliable.

well different strokes for different folks, I wil rock factory till my warrantys up and only if TRD parts that are installed by a dealership will keep it from being voided, and to be honest I could possibly wait till 2014 to see if there is a factory power increase. I know my factory 94 supra TT I boosted it to 400ish with was 100hp over stock and it rocked it just fine...

There will never be a factory supercharger or turbo in these cars in this generation. In 5 years in the next generation comes out, there will be a turbo 2.0 liter.

I doubt this model will only live for 5 year before its successor.

While I hate to interrupt this very stimulating, not to say erection-inducing, discussion of horsepower (Who would have thought? A discussion of horsepower on this forum? I'm shocked.), I forgot to add that the lightweight version will have a normally aspirated 250 hp version of the base BRZ/FR-S engine. My interest is in an OEM lightweight. If it comes with 50 more hp, it should be massively competitive in the sportscar market.

Not without a displacement bump, it won't...

Exactly. Will be longer than that.

@Marrk You are stating rumor as fact.

There has been discussion on getting 250 n/a hp here:
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4504

This "lightweight" version is all hype. Unles they are going to sell a race preped version which removes the back seats, sound deadening, carpet, spare, etc it will be very difficult to remove more than ~120lb from the car and still keep the radio, AC, as well as a reasonable cost. No one will pay 40k for a brz which is what it would cost to go to CF, aluminum, & forged parts to get a serious weight reduction from an already ligh car.

If I had to bet money on something, I would wager we see a 50-70 hp and torque jump and a 0-50 lb weight reduction.

I dont know if i'd say it is totally all hype....I could see ultra lightweight seats being part of the puzzle. Those oem seats with the airbags are freakin heavy. That along with lighter wheels would be pretty easy to do for little $. Also i'm sure the SPT exhaust would be much lighter as well.

Justin

SPT....I guess we won't see what they have in store upon launch...SEMA '12??

Captain, thank you for posting this. This is the article that I was referring to. My apologies to all if I started an unwarranted new thread, or if my thread is old news.

Still, my question had to do with whether or not Scion would come out with a similar lightweight 250 hp NA car, since both the FR-S and the BRZ are made on the same line.

Again, apologies to all.

don't apologize. it's a forum. it happens. :happy0180:

might have been a slight exaggeration, but my point is we arent going to see a car with 20 more HP and a 400lb weight reduction that is going to keep up with a 370z or similar car. There isn't enough excess weight on this car to get a drastic reduction.