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tbssowner 09-07-2013 11:55 AM

Ended up not getting a brz
 
So i ordered a blue metallic 6mt about 3 weeks ago and had my heart set on the brz ever since they came out. The deal was approved and got a good rate at 2.9%, BUT i drove my coworkers brz and just couldnt get over the lack of power. I planned on going with vortech but there are quite a few hurdles with tuning these cars so ended up not getting one. I know going to vet grief but went with a hyundai genisis coupe. Ill probably wait and see if a proper sti makes it way to the states. So if anyone looking for a brz dark blue manual in the houston are go talk to troy at west houston subaru.

shiumai 09-07-2013 12:07 PM

did you check out this thread? read the comment on the genesis (also mentions that the BRZ could use more power):
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=30205

ZionsWrath 09-07-2013 12:07 PM

Yes there is a lack of power. But the money you are going to spend making the Gen handle better could be spent making the BRZ faster on the straights.

To each his own as they say

Ammonia 09-07-2013 12:14 PM

Bye, sorry to lose you, but I'm sure you'll have fun in your Genny.

spdfreak 09-07-2013 12:23 PM

Location: texas

No way!

ZionsWrath 09-07-2013 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by spdfreak (Post 1195804)
Location: texas

No way!

lol didn't notice that, definitely straight line speed is more important in that neck of the woods

DJCarbine 09-07-2013 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by tbssowner (Post 1195763)
I planned on going with vortech but there are quite a few hurdles with tuning these cars

The only hurdles are money. If you buy a vortech kit from a vendor on the forums, you can bundle it with ecutek/cable/tune.

The gen coupe was my other choice if I did not go with one of the twins

NYCsubaruBRZ 09-07-2013 01:53 PM

you can always make a car faster. you cant always make it handle better.... well u can make it handle better but the room for improvement is limited.

2013GTRNate 09-07-2013 01:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tbssowner (Post 1195763)
So i ordered a blue metallic 6mt about 3 weeks ago and had my heart set on the brz ever since they came out. The deal was approved and got a good rate at 2.9%, BUT i drove my coworkers brz and just couldnt get over the lack of power. I planned on going with vortech but there are quite a few hurdles with tuning these cars so ended up not getting one. I know going to vet grief but went with a hyundai genisis coupe. Ill probably wait and see if a proper sti makes it way to the states. So if anyone looking for a brz dark blue manual in the houston are go talk to troy at west houston subaru.

You made a decision that made sense for you. Happy driving! :clap:

-Nate

ZionsWrath 09-07-2013 01:58 PM

I was interested in the Gen coupe as well but the dealer I tried to schedule a test drive with acted like the gen coupe was a buggati veyron as far as scheduling and I couldn't get over the fact the R spec didn't have cruise control even though it only added 1 ounce of weight...

campy 09-07-2013 02:04 PM

Definitely get the car that suits your needs best. The BRZ isn't the ultimate car or anything lol. It excels at handling, but there's a lot of interior road noise, suspension isn't particularly comfy, and of course it could use an extra 100 hp. A grand tourer like the genesis is definitely a better car for those long texas highways.

The Camaro and Challenger are also pretty nice cruisers if you have any interest in American cars.

tacoss23 09-07-2013 02:14 PM

LOL went to a genesis as a second option....rofl

thill 09-07-2013 02:31 PM

Sold a 2013 Gencoupe for the BRZ and never looked back. The Gencoupe has more power, but you give up a lot in handling, driver feedback, and the manual transmission is vague and clunky.

That said I would take the Gencoupe over the V6 Mustang, Camaro, Challenger, etc.

lionbacker54 09-07-2013 05:50 PM

you made the right choice for you. a good piece of advice a friend gave me once was "if you're not happy with the car stock, buy a different car." if horsepower is important to you, better to buy the gen coupe than try to mod it.

Acree 09-07-2013 06:15 PM

If you still have your gen coupe come spring and you're around Dallas, hit me up. My car will make you regret the coupe lol

ngabdala 09-07-2013 07:26 PM

Enjoy the car man :) Congrats !

hanabie 09-07-2013 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by tacoss23 (Post 1195977)
LOL went to a genesis as a second option....rofl

Yeah I lold too. Why not 370z or something like evo or wrx. That makes more sense. Gen hahaha.. Im expecting to read a trade like this, "Im so glad I traded my genesis for 2015 brz :)".

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hanabie 09-07-2013 09:50 PM

Sorry. The gen just looks so rice.

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jflogerzi 09-07-2013 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by hanabie (Post 1196696)
Sorry. The gen just looks so rice.

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To the OP, its your money. Get what makes you happy. The new 2.0T's are very nice IMO. Co-worker has the Auto 2.0T. The interior is very nice. But its not a real sports car.

Laika 09-07-2013 10:02 PM

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Burrcold 09-07-2013 10:05 PM

Too bad. I sold my Gen Coupe as well for the BRZ.

jflogerzi 09-07-2013 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Laika (Post 1196713)

Come on Charlie lets goto candy mountain!! LOL

SliverBrz 09-07-2013 10:10 PM

ignore everyone

its your pocket, do what you like

You are in a frs/brz forum no one will agree with your decision. The best car on this planet in this forum would the twins

DAEMANO 09-07-2013 10:36 PM

The '86 and Gen Coupe really aren't in the same category of car.

GenCoupe is a GT (like many others have mentioned). Big comfortable touring car. Long trips, long corners. Bigger, heavier cars with lots of HP excel at this. Where it's unique is that there aren't too many Asian made GTs in the market betwen 20-30k.

BRZ/FRS/'86 is a sports car. Meant for going to the track with minimal modifications and excelling at motions that typically induce lots of weight transfer. For this reason low weight, and COG were prioritized over big power, smooth ride, interior space and a quiet interior. Hot hatches, and GT's are not this car's competition for someone looking for a sports car.

Glad you figured out what best suits your needs. The wrong choice would obviously lead you quite unsatisfied.

DarkSunrise 09-07-2013 10:38 PM

You've got to get what's best for you, and it sounds like you made the right choice for your situation. Hope you enjoy!

wbradley 09-07-2013 10:44 PM

As others have said, the Gen coupe is a nice tourer but probably limited usefulness in stock form on the track.

The twins on the other hand are just about as agile as you can get shy of going Porsche. And it is possible to make it very fast, especially due to the low weight. The car has great bones.

I still would enjoy the Gen coupe as a DD. Good luck.

thill 09-07-2013 11:05 PM

The seats in the BRZ are much more comfortable than the seats in the Gencoupe for long trips. I used to get back fatigue with those Gencoupe seats in any drive over an hour. The BRZ seats have got to be some of the most comfortable seated in any vehicle I have ever owned.

WRXGuy1 09-07-2013 11:59 PM

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Originally Posted by thill (Post 1196809)
The seats in the BRZ are much more comfortable than the seats in the Gencoupe for long trips. I used to get back fatigue with those Gencoupe seats in any drive over an hour. The BRZ seats have got to be some of the most comfortable seated in any vehicle I have ever owned.

They are supportive, but I wouldn't say the most comfortable seats ever, lol.

thill 09-08-2013 12:13 AM

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Originally Posted by WRXGuy1 (Post 1196877)
They are supportive, but I wouldn't say the most comfortable seats ever, lol.

Well I have owned lots of sports cars with uncomfortable seats. The bar is low...

Be-Are-Zee 09-08-2013 12:48 AM

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Originally Posted by thill (Post 1196897)
Well I have owned lots of sports cars with uncomfortable seats. The bar is low...

True but I honestly find the BRZ seats more comfortable than my "old" BMW X1. Which by the way is faster than both the BRZ and genny. Speed is so not what makes a car fun to drive. Neither is interior gizmos or luxury. In the end it's all about driver feedback.

jkonquer 09-08-2013 04:01 AM

just wondering, why not 370Z? you can get base model for a decent price.

Mr.Jay 09-08-2013 04:09 AM

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Originally Posted by jkonquer (Post 1197162)
just wondering, why not 370Z? you can get base model for a decent price.

yea, especially with that huge mark down they recently did.

gen makes no sense when 370z entry price has drop so much. better aftermarket and better look imo of course

glad you got the car you wanted tho!

tacoss23 09-08-2013 04:20 AM

just to be sure you got my point of why I'm making of you for going for a Genesis:

I wouldnt've made fun of you if you went for a 370z, MX5, etc...

But you went for a fucking Hyundai Genesis....

That's like so faaaar away from what BRZ/FR-S is....that you might as well went for a Van or a SUV.

The Genesis coupe is NOT a SPORT CAR. It's a selling/marketing product.

It wasn't designed to be a sports car, it's a simply a gimmicky modification of a chassis/vehicle parts of a car that was originally designed to be a MPG soccer mom D class sedan that tries too hard to keep up with Honda and Toyota.

That's the reality. You might as well buy an Altima Coupe. It's the same thing. Those cars were not designed to be sport cars, or even a driver's car. They are designed to be selling points for clueless people like you, that because they see 2 doors and a spoiler, somehow they think they are buying something "sporty".

The reality is that you bought a modified chassis of a $18k soccer mom's car, with a big V6 engine to give you the impression that you are driving something sporty.

If you are so clueless, that's fine, but at least go for a real "marketing coupe" like a Honda Accord Coupe or Altima Coupe. Why would you go for the crappiest of the bunch?

OICU812 09-08-2013 04:53 AM

lol whoa things gettin nasty! :D

But in all serious words... I have a few friends that have Gennys, they are ok for sure. But each of them that have rode in my car both now want an 86 platform be it BRZ or FR-S. The way the car feels and feeds back to you the driver is 100% DIFFERENT. Now to each their own and decisions been made and certainly you may love your genny and I hope you do. Personally I do not care about lack of power, taking care of that one paycheck at a time and it's going smoothly. This car is a stepping stone to the Supra for me, but even then I will keep it. I have owned many mustangs, camaros, a celica and some other stuff to honestly these little cars BRZ/FR-S hands down are the most enjoyable cars to drive.. wouldn't trade if for half the cars that are worth twice the money now. And that is no joke..

thill 09-08-2013 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by tacoss23 (Post 1197181)
just to be sure you got my point of why I'm making of you for going for a Genesis:

I wouldnt've made fun of you if you went for a 370z, MX5, etc...

But you went for a fucking Hyundai Genesis....

That's like so faaaar away from what BRZ/FR-S is....that you might as well went for a Van or a SUV.

The Genesis coupe is NOT a SPORT CAR. It's a selling/marketing product.

It wasn't designed to be a sports car, it's a simply a gimmicky modification of a chassis/vehicle parts of a car that was originally designed to be a MPG soccer mom D class sedan that tries too hard to keep up with Honda and Toyota.

That's the reality. You might as well buy an Altima Coupe. It's the same thing. Those cars were not designed to be sport cars, or even a driver's car. They are designed to be selling points for clueless people like you, that because they see 2 doors and a spoiler, somehow they think they are buying something "sporty".

The reality is that you bought a modified chassis of a $18k soccer mom's car, with a big V6 engine to give you the impression that you are driving something sporty.

If you are so clueless, that's fine, but at least go for a real "marketing coupe" like a Honda Accord Coupe or Altima Coupe. Why would you go for the crappiest of the bunch?

I don't think you have ever driven a Genesis Coupe. An Altima coupe is no comparison and to be fair to the Genesis Coupe, if you get the RSPEC even the 2.0 is faster than the FRZ around the track. The V6 is way faster.

The problem with the 370 is that it has no backseat. Neither does the MX-5. Not the OP, but that might be his consideration just lie it was mine.

The Gencoupe is a lot of car for the money. You can get the base 2.0 turbo for around $23K. I would take that anyday over an Altima coupe. The Gencoupe is more of an alternative to a V6 Mustang or V6 Camaro than anything else.

davidp 09-08-2013 12:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tacoss23 (Post 1197181)
just to be sure you got my point of why I'm making of you for going for a Genesis:

I wouldnt've made fun of you if you went for a 370z, MX5, etc...

But you went for a fucking Hyundai Genesis....

That's like so faaaar away from what BRZ/FR-S is....that you might as well went for a Van or a SUV.

The Genesis coupe is NOT a SPORT CAR. It's a selling/marketing product.

It wasn't designed to be a sports car, it's a simply a gimmicky modification of a chassis/vehicle parts of a car that was originally designed to be a MPG soccer mom D class sedan that tries too hard to keep up with Honda and Toyota.

That's the reality. You might as well buy an Altima Coupe. It's the same thing. Those cars were not designed to be sport cars, or even a driver's car. They are designed to be selling points for clueless people like you, that because they see 2 doors and a spoiler, somehow they think they are buying something "sporty".

The reality is that you bought a modified chassis of a $18k soccer mom's car, with a big V6 engine to give you the impression that you are driving something sporty.

If you are so clueless, that's fine, but at least go for a real "marketing coupe" like a Honda Accord Coupe or Altima Coupe. Why would you go for the crappiest of the bunch?


you are the dumbest idiot ive seen in a while .. the gc is much more fun to drive than a Z and also handles better has less known problems and better long term reliability... i went from the gc to a brz because i wanted a smaller/lighter car and i love my brz but there hasn't been a single month without a trip to the dealership.. i didn't have all those problems with the genesis and despite being more fun to drive there's a lot of things the gencoupe offered that the brz doesn't

JimboE30 09-08-2013 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by tacoss23 (Post 1197181)
just to be sure you got my point of why I'm making of you for going for a Genesis:

I wouldnt've made fun of you if you went for a 370z, MX5, etc...

But you went for a fucking Hyundai Genesis....

That's like so faaaar away from what BRZ/FR-S is....that you might as well went for a Van or a SUV.

The Genesis coupe is NOT a SPORT CAR. It's a selling/marketing product.

It wasn't designed to be a sports car, it's a simply a gimmicky modification of a chassis/vehicle parts of a car that was originally designed to be a MPG soccer mom D class sedan that tries too hard to keep up with Honda and Toyota.

That's the reality. You might as well buy an Altima Coupe. It's the same thing. Those cars were not designed to be sport cars, or even a driver's car. They are designed to be selling points for clueless people like you, that because they see 2 doors and a spoiler, somehow they think they are buying something "sporty".

The reality is that you bought a modified chassis of a $18k soccer mom's car, with a big V6 engine to give you the impression that you are driving something sporty.

If you are so clueless, that's fine, but at least go for a real "marketing coupe" like a Honda Accord Coupe or Altima Coupe. Why would you go for the crappiest of the bunch?



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NYCsubaruBRZ 09-08-2013 01:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Acree (Post 1196387)
If you still have your gen coupe come spring and you're around Dallas, hit me up. My car will make you regret the coupe lol

ur car makes me regret mine! where did u get the blue gauges! point me in that direction. they look sick

jeebus 09-08-2013 02:03 PM

The BRZ is definitely not extremely powerful. But it's funny that people these days consider it SLOW. It does 0-60 in under 7 seconds...that was GSR Territory back in the day and people didn't think of them as slow. To me this car is like a GSR with rear wheel drive...plus a few other perks.

ST185RC 09-08-2013 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by wbradley (Post 1196774)
As others have said, the Gen coupe is a nice tourer but probably limited usefulness in stock form on the track.

Lol, cue gc owners with track tests where the 86 is beaten.


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