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Price on FI
Do you guys think FI kits will drop in price over the years? This is just my opinion but $5000-$6000 kits seem way over priced for the frs/brz.
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most turbo kits range from 4k to 6k.
i dont think it will go lower. |
look at a full turbo kit / supercharger kit for any other manufacturer that is not made using garbage parts. The price of the kits are in line with those.
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I think for most cars including this, 5k is the sweet spot excluding supporting mods.
The way I look at it is, if we had an OEM STI or TRD with FI it would be pushing 34k. |
Or maybe the other way of looking at it:
For the modest gains you achieve, is $5K worth it? I wouldn't expect the kits to drop anytime soon... |
Get what you pay for ive seen horrible things with kits that are 2 to 3k from ebay etc
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I don't think a good kit will ever drop below the $3,000 range. But eh! You get what you pay for
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Kits like the FA20CLUB and the AVO are targeted to those that don't want to spend so much.
Agree with everyone else, when going turbo you really want the good parts and they come at a price. |
I think $3k is reasonable for the following parts:
- Turbocharger - Manifold - Intercooler - Pipework - Other random fixings/lines You'd save maybe $500 if you did it yourself (with new parts), but the time and effort involved in a one-off would exceed that and the saving would be lost (unless you value your time at zero, which of course some people do). Anyone charging $4k+ for the above is making a little too much in my opinion. Tuning/labour/other_things_like_injectors would be additional costs, sky's the limit. |
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Most kits come with fuel pumps and injectors Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk - now Free |
Garrett GT or GTX turbos aren't cheap. Neither are the Tial Q BOVs and Tial/Precision wastegates these kits are using. Throw in some injectors, a fuel pump, an intercooler core, silicone couplers, T bolt clamps, oil feed line, oil return line, coolant lines, and the piping and you have a lot of cost. I don't know how much Full Blown and FA20club are making off each kit with dealer costs, but I definitely feel their kits are well worth the $4500 they start at for Garrett GT28 turbos.
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you can buy a turbo off of ebay for $169 shipped. the day will come when some jackass is selling $500-$1000 'bolt on' turbo kits on ebay comprised of knock-off parts. it's inevitable.
you won't want to buy one, though because they'll be shit, like all the others. i'm all for value, but when you're going FI you use quality parts or ultimately suffer. exhausts are a great place to save money on cheaper parts (a pipe is a pipe), but not things like turbo, wastegate, etc. |
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Good stuff isn't cheap. Cheap stuff isn't good.
Gotta pay to play! |
To do it right, turbo kit+ ecutek+bigger injectors+fuel pump+etc. $5k to 6K, full exhaust $1500, clutch $1000, gauges $300, radiator $350, oil cooler $600, tuning (I'm guessing) $1000, plus labor you're looking at over $10,000 for a done-right hotrod turboed twin that will run hard and stay together.
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I don't like to look at what I have spent. I don't like thinking about how much more I am going to spend. I do enjoy every bit of money that goes into it and to me that's all that matters.
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Lets put it this way, besides the vortech, I clump my upgrades in a 3k bracket, and then I do that every 2-3 months.
IE wedsports/tires/flex-fuel is one 3k block Vortech was its own block Catach can/ dampners/exhaust/LWCP/cf drive shaft/oil cooler. My next block is breaks/wastegate/EBC/e85 Your build will never be over, just find away to control it in a way where you have money for normal life and don't go into debit... Car parts on a credit card is a no-no in my book, since the car has its own loan. |
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Garrett turbos aren't cheap, and for the kind of reliability that comes with the name Garrett, I'm totally fine with spending between $4k-$7k on a turbo kit that's reliable and gives me good power as well. Considering everything that goes into a turbo kit, the prices on these kits are actually pretty inexpensive as it is when you come to find that a good Garrett Turbo is a over $1000, then the intercooler etc... There's a lot of stuff. I'm actually quite happy that this car takes turbos well, because if it's anything like E46 M3's where turbo kits START at $13,000, I know the story would be completely different. Hell two E46 m3 turbo kits, and you can get a brand new FRS :confused0068: |
Pay to Play
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Asides from the individual "off the shelf" components, have you priced out custom machined brackets and such?
$5k is a lot of money, but to say it's over price... not really. |
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