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UnOvertime 08-29-2013 01:02 PM

Katzkin Leather (Self-installed)
 
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Finally finished my Katzkin Leather swap. Took a few days over the course of a few weekends to get all the seats finished trying to find time between my friend and my schedules. We did not use a garment steamer to get the wrinkles out, just the Florida heat. So after tackling this fun project, I can now say my leather interior is self installed, it is not perfect, but I am fairly pleased. Matches well with my @JPM Coachworks interior pieces too, might need to finally finish with the speaker panels and door armrest pieces.


So thank you @greenguy101 for all the help. Not bad for two guys who had zero experience at all with this sort of thing.

Pictures:
1. Supplies
2. Stock Front
3. Stock Rear
4. 2 Weeks Settled Front
5. Completed Rear Seats
6. Single Rear Seat
7. Back of Front Katzkins.
8. Stripped Passenger Seat
9. Just skinned Drivers Seat
10. Just After Install

FastLane1000 08-29-2013 01:33 PM

Looks great! Alot of those wrinkles will work themselves out in the heat. A little bit of wrinkling is natural. It also helps to unpack the leather and let it sit out for a couple days before installing.

UnOvertime 08-29-2013 02:23 PM

That is what I am hoping for on the passenger side. We had to redo that one (it was the first seat we did) to get a large bubble out. My driver's seat is pretty good, but I also sit in that one and I rarely have a passenger so it doesn't help that the leather doesn't get worked.

Buddhalite 08-29-2013 05:24 PM

IMO that looks fantastic.

greenguy101 08-29-2013 05:30 PM

I'm not going to lie, the install was a total pain in the ass!! LOL. That being said I had a blast helping out, learned a lot about the process and would totally do it again.

frs10 08-29-2013 05:52 PM

so for the driver seat, was it easy to remove the original?

UnOvertime 08-29-2013 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by frs10 (Post 1176658)
so for the driver seat, was it easy to remove the original?

Incredibly simple. Undo the four bolts in the floor with a e10 torx socket and then two plastic connectors in the front for the airbags and it comes right out. As for the fabric, you just need to cut the hog rings throughout the cushion and it slips right off. The Katzkin hog rings go back right where you took out the factory hog rings.

frs10 08-29-2013 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by UnOvertime (Post 1176922)
Incredibly simple. Undo the four bolts in the floor with a e10 torx socket and then two plastic connectors in the front for the airbags and it comes right out. As for the fabric, you just need to cut the hog rings throughout the cushion and it slips right off. The Katzkin hog rings go back right where you took out the factory hog rings.

oh man... i smell this coming in the future!

thanks man!! :w00t:

UnOvertime 08-29-2013 11:58 PM

We had zero experience when we started this and it was not too difficult if you just take your time. It is a great mod and I will be interested to see future Katzkin interiors. Part of me wishes I would have got the Hot Lava and matched it with orange stitching.

n2oinferno 08-30-2013 12:28 AM

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Originally Posted by UnOvertime (Post 1177571)
We had zero experience when we started this and it was not too difficult if you just take your time. It is a great mod and I will be interested to see future Katzkin interiors. Part of me wishes I would have got the Hot Lava and matched it with orange stitching.

Yeah, but then the steering wheel, shifter, and ebrake would need to be redone to match.

Looks like it turned out really good.

AG3NT_5CARFAC3 08-30-2013 12:56 AM

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Originally Posted by UnOvertime (Post 1175826)
Finally finished my Katzkin Leather swap. Took a few days over the course of a few weekends to get all the seats finished trying to find time between my friend and my schedules. We did not use a garment steamer to get the wrinkles out, just the Florida heat. So after tackling this fun project, I can now say my leather interior is self installed, it is not perfect, but I am fairly pleased. Matches well with my @JPM Coachworks interior pieces too, might need to finally finish with the speaker panels and door armrest pieces.

:confused0068:WOW the seats look great! Where did you order them from if you don't mind me asking? :thanks:

ttknf 08-30-2013 01:02 AM

Steam the seats with a small clothing steamer and those wrinkles will dissipate.

UnOvertime 08-30-2013 10:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by n2oinferno (Post 1177637)
Yeah, but then the steering wheel, shifter, and ebrake would need to be redone to match.

Looks like it turned out really good.

That was what I thought when I was looking at buying the car. However now that I bought the JPM Coachworks shift boot, knee pads, and ebrake boot I realize I could have contacted them and asked for orange stitching if I went the Hot Lava route.

@AG3NT_5CARFAC3 I bought them from Canadaseatskins.com. I looked around and they had the best pricing I could find.

@ttknf I might have to borrow one from a friend although I did see a video in another thread about the SARD seat covers where Ish from West Coast Customs used a few towels microwaved in water for a few minutes and then laid them on top of the seat and the wrinkles came right out.

S84kam 04-09-2016 09:20 PM

Just wanted to bump this. Looks amazing!

Leonardo 05-10-2016 01:35 PM

Oh man, is this the most current thread on leather interior...

Anyway, I ordered from Canadaseatskins.com like mentioned in this thread three years ago. They still have the best price. I paid $590 shipped. I purchased an all black with black stitching BRZ kit. Personally, I can't wait to get rid of the red "wings" on the seats. It is getting delivered today. Pics to follow...



Irony: Red stitch came. I am sending it back. Just got off the phone. Really good customer service. I got an RMA and they are shipping out what I wanted.

Leonardo 05-18-2016 04:07 PM

Canadian Seat Skins.com has been great to deal with, and even though they sent me the wrong kit with red at first (ordered all black), I am very happy with their fast and friendly customer service.

So, after receiving the Base kit, I realized, two things:

1. I ordered a Pecca Kit not katzkin. Pecca is a major OEM supplier of interiors for:Toyota, Nissan, Honda, Mitsubishi, Hyundai, Suzuki, Subaru, Peugeot, Volkswagen and Isuzu.

2. I Should have ordered the 100% Leather kit.

They handled the return and upgrade quickly. :thumbup:

Here is a teaser pic of one of the 100% leather front seats. I will post pics (in a new Pecca Leather thread) of the install and final outcome. I am getting a friend that is a professional seat guy to help me. Hopefully this weekend!!

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/pictu...ictureid=10314

exE36M3 07-16-2016 02:56 PM

Bumping this thread. Just got the Katskins in the leather face front and vinyl backs. This gets you under $800 shipped. It sounds cheap but the reality is, you'd never notice and the vinyl is on the surfaces that get hit with the most UV or scuffing.

I decided to the install myself as the best quotes I got up in Norcal (SF Bay Area) is in the $600-$850 range.
After chatting with some of the guys in this thread, I decided to give it a try - after all, I've done engine swaps, put in a rear cam in the BRZ and even rebuilt about a dozen Mac laptops.

Got the tools off Amazon for about $30 (pliers and 500 hog rings).
The rears took about 4-5 hours taking my time. I did it in one Friday night and Saturday AM.

I'm tackling the front seats next. Only need there so far is just an e10 Torx socket to unbolt the seats from the frame. Will post update when done too. I went with the all black seats with red stitching.

Photos to come :)

kmbkk 07-17-2016 01:06 AM

This is probably my next big mod.

exE36M3 07-30-2016 03:58 PM

Checking in on this... the learning curve is a little brutal on the front seats.
I'll have to make a blog out of the how-to because A LOT of photos will need to go into this project.
But for now, here's the Cliff's notes...


1. Take camera phone photos of your old seat as you take it apart
- especially how you removed the hog rings and in what order. It's EASY to forget what goes where.

2. On top of the hog ring pliers buy a pair of "electrical line-man pliers" Don't go cheap. Buy the Vise-Grip made in USA ones, blue handle. Simple cheap pliers won't cut the hog rings off.

3. The Katskins covers generally need to be installed from the middle outward.
If you try to install from one end of the seat or the other, you WILL end up short by an inch or more. I pretty much installed the seat coverings TWICE for the top/back of the seat and the bottom cushion part.

4. Obviously take your seat OUT of the car to install the Katskins. I suggest doing the work on a carpeted floor. You'll do a lot of tugging and rotating and flipping over. So a softer floor will keep your coverings from getting scuffed up.

5. Also when removing the seats and putting them in the car - take off the headrest. You'll thank me for reminding you. (A massive scuff on my center console reminds me how dumb I am).

Overall the difference is staggering from stock. People say you'll slide around in the seat. After having leather in my E36 M3, I didn't stress too much about that. With this set-up, you won't slide any more or less with the Katskins. The BRZ/FRS side bolsters are big enough, you won't go anywhere and the leather offers significant enough padding, it's snug in there.

Is it plush? Yeah.

Here's a pic from Google albums to show the new seat and the stock on in car.
https://photos.google.com/share/AF1Q...hDeUluc0cxaldn

Overall you'll be pretty happy putting leather in. It just makes the car so much more like a plush high-end sports car.

Here's the overall parts list you WILL need:


1. E10 Torx socket - you need this to remove the 4 bolts that hold the seat to the car. For some ODD reason, the back bolts were CRAZY tight. Like the factory guys used an air tool and over torqued it. DO NOT USE an 8mm socket - no matter how well it looks like it fits. If you somehow stripped the e10 bolt... drill out the two rivets on either side. Start with like a 1/8" drill bit and work your way up to something like 13/32" which is about the same size as the rivet. Use a titanium drill bit. Those crazy rivets aren't mild steel! Once you get the seat out, take a hammer and tap the remaining plate counter-clock-wise. The stripped e10 bolt will rotate out. Yes, ask me how I know this works.

2. Hog Ring Pliers and 500 hog rings - The Hog Ring clips use a special positioning type of plier. Even though each seat takes about 20-30 hog rings, you will find you will miss fastening things a few times or have to go back and redo the task. Amazon sells the set of rings and pliers. Forgot the name, something like Jakes Off-Road. The pliers use a red handle.

3. ZIP ties - There's some situations under/around the seats where you think, "I can't use a metal ring here, that's dangerous"... aka the side airbag area. Given the air bag basically explodes outward, I'd rather have a plastic zip tie than a metal ring right?

4. Need nose pliers - I have small hands, some area where you need to pull or tug are too small to grab things.

5. Flat head screwdriver - the coverings use these U-clips, the flat head can help you wedge into the clip and guide it where you want it to go.

6. Xacto Knife / Sharpie Marker
- you will need to do a few cuts in the material to get stuff through - like the headrest posts or rear seat-back buttons. Mark the actual hole area with "dots" from the sharpie. When cutting, cut just slightly smaller/shorter from the hole END. You don't want to cut the very edge of the holes because when you fit the final pieces in... you'll see the cuts. If you cut slightly shorter you can gently pull the material over and around things and have just enough tension to bring the material back in and thus hide the cuts. I used a X approach to cutting holes.

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TIMEFRAME:


(Suggest you start with the backs as it's easier and will get you used to things)
Rear back seat (2 cushions) - About 3 hours between pulling the cushions out, removing the stock coverings, putting the new coverings on, and putting it all back in car.

Rear back seat - back rest - About 3 hours between removing the back panel from the car, removing the stock coverings/putting on the new coverings, and bolting it back in. Note - you may need a hand with getting the new covering on. The back rest cushion uses a pull over the top and U clip an edge fastener. So one guy pulls and compresses the cushion, the other guy folds the material over and clips the U fastener to the seat edge.

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Front seat - passenger side - about 6 hours total

It's about 30 minutes tops to pull the front seat and unplug the airbag and seat sensors.

Headrest - you keep the original covering on. Your new cover just goes right over it. Suggest installing it half-inside-out so you just roll over the top. About a 30-45 minute job. And those stupid U clips are back too. You'll understand why I call them stupid.

Backrest - About 2-3 hours. Removing the original material was pretty easy. Start at the bottom with undoing the bungie strap under the seat. It will reveal the hog clips holding the seat in. Once those are off, you unzip the back of the covering and it's pretty fast from there. REMEMBER to take camera phone shots as you do this part because it's easy to forget what clips to what. You'll also undo the airbag straps to the seat covers too. Photograph this! When putting the new coverings on, start in the middle of the seat with the hog rings - this will allow you to stretch over the top and bottom of the seat.

Seat cushion - About 3 hours. This takes longer because you have to deal with the mechanicals of the seat and you HAVE to do A LOT of tugging and pulling. Undoing the stock coverings is easy, like 15 minutes. But take pictures as you go, especially around the positioning of the clamps and hooks that go to the seat frame. When putting on the new Katskin coverings, start in the middle of the seat... the lateral-left-right hog rings that fasten the seat in the middle. THEN attach the front leading edge U CLIP. This is EASILY an one hour task as you REALLY have to pull the front of the seat, roll the front edge of the skin over, AND CLIP the U clip to the seat rail.

Driver side - doing that soon... probably starting on a Friday night so I can finish by Sunday. Hopefully this should go faster with the learning curve out of the way. :)

White64Goat 07-31-2016 06:07 PM

Cutting old hog rings off and installing the new ones is brutal on your hands. Remember the old spring hand exercisers? It's like one of those for every one you cut off and install. Don't buy cheap hog ring pliers, they will fail, buy some decent ones. They make straight ones and curved ones, you may need both. Hog rings are similar to cutting a coat hanger if that helps for comparison.


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