i'm leaning toward BRZ but will it be easier to get a FR-S?
 

from what i've seen so far looks like Subaru will bring over limited quantity at initial launch, while my Scion deal gave me the impression it'll be just like the new TC, regular volume will flow in each month.

I had a change of heart and wanted the BRZ more after the Dallas Auto Show and seeing it in person. that Monday I was ready to go, so this is what I was told by the only dealer not marking up MSRP in my area....

Subaru of Plano, they are listed to recieve 15 of the first year model. so I called and was told 14 people already are on the wait list, and they are expecting of an average of "1 per month". To me that would mean a years wait, and by then the next year model would be ready to go.

to top it all off they wanted $1,000 non-refundable despoit to be added to the wait list.

I doubt that this is true. I mean these aren't Ferrari's and are mass produced. If dealerships really did receive one to two cars per month, the car would probably flop after a few months. It's a good car, but it's not like the competition is non-existant. In the end, nobody knows anything for sure. So let's wait and hope for the best.

let the first year hype wear down then pull the trigger. if you want a BRZ.

Just give it some time, once the initial hype dies down you will be able to get one. Maybe even find them off lots with a little planning. It's always this way with hot models at first then after that initial rush wears out its just like any other car.

That or just wait for a used one to come on dealer lots & save yourself alotta money because I expect some people to trade it in because it's a car did not meet their hype.

If you are 15 of 15, you should be able to easily argue them out of the non-refundable clause.

1st, you don't know what the car will cost. They can't lock you into buying something without telling you the price. Pretty sure that's illegal.

But also, why are they worried you won't buy the car? If they have sold out of the allocations, then obviously the demand is there. If you don't take the car, they will easily be able to unload the car on another buyer.

I was leaning heavily towards the BRZ as well, but once things were to a point I could pre-order the dealership in my area had 5 or so pre-orders on file and given that quantities are questionable who knows how that would play out for me.

Given the price($25kish for premium, $27k for ltd), if things don't work out with the FR-S I will be placing an order once things clear up for the BRZ (actual delivery dates in my area, initial reaction to supply and allocation, etc).

I need a car soon so I chose to go with the FR-S as I am first in line at my local dealership, does irk me things didn't flow so well with the BRZ but at heart they're nearly the same car so I'm sure in time I won't be too bothered by it...at least I hope.

Overall it depends on what trim you're shooting for:

If premium:
Did you really want the in-dash navigation?
Seat Quality parity between the fr-s and brz premium are still theoretical at this point as far as info goes (different, unknown materials, wear, etc)
Did you want HID / LED DRLS?

Are these things you want immediately? Do you want to wait for those things?

If you were going for the limited however, there's not much comparison:
Premium
+Fogs
+Leather / Alcantara / Seat Warmers
+Pushstart
+Spoiler

If you can afford to wait, as others have mentioned, it will be beneficial given that you may be able to haggle with the dealership and get an awesome price compared to what the early adopters will receive for a BRZ.

To answer the original question however: Initial quantities will be low. Give it time and odds are you'll have no problem.

If you actually agree to it, is it still illegal? I've heard a lot of mixed opinion on it...granted I'm sure it varies by area and it wouldn't surprise me if GA allowed something like that :bonk:

Had that issue come up with a dealership wanting a $500 non-refundable on an FR-S with a $1200 markup.....blew my mind.

Dealer is likely mis-informed. Per the SOA release almost a month ago, they have only released allocation information for the time period of launch through November. After that production will likely ramp up to at least meet demand. Still might not see them on the lot, but everyone with orders in should have one by next spring regardless of how deep they are on the waiting list.

Next years model likely will not hit dealers until august or september of 2013 so that is a long ways away.

when I talked to them they said 1k refundable

FR-S is my backup plan, but only if A. I can't afford BRZ Limited and B. this whole availability thing becomes a problem. I suspect it won't, especially after they announced a production goal of 100,000 units/yr. I think after this year you should be able to do a factory order and get one, they just won't be sitting around on dealer lots.

At Audi, we tell people all the time that our car quantities are extremely limited but they usually aren't that limited, they're just pre-sold before they get to the dealership (Q5, Q7, A3, A4 Avant, S5 coupe and cabriolet, TT coupe and roadster) and you need to do a factory order to get one in the colors/options you want. But then we do have actual limited cars like the TTS, TT RS, S6, S7, S8 and RS5 that we get one allocation per year or less. The fact that the BRZ is spec'd pretty simply with no interior colors or additional options packages should make it easier to find what you want, if they have units incoming. If you were looking for an Audi S5 coupe 6MT Prestige trim with Titanium Package, Sports Differential, Phantom Black Pearl exterior with Magma Red interior and carbon fiber inlays, yeah, you'd have trouble finding one without ordering it :D

And before I leave that tangent, I think I'm gonna step outside and take an S5 out for a spin... :drool:

In many states it's perfectly legal. Unless it's stated as non-refunable specifically then legally it's non-refundable depending on your state laws.

Now most dealerships won't go for non refundable because it's somewhat poor business practice for a car with no pricing released, plenty of time to cancel before they get "stuck" with a special order, etc.

Wow, what dealer?

$1200 markup at a Scion Dealer? Get out of here....I would move on...There are 994 other Scion dealers to choose from...

It's been understood for a while that the dealer's initial allocation will be split into equal monthly deliveries between May and November. If they're getting 15, they will get 2-3 per month. If you're #15 on the list, yours would come in in November.

Yeah If I am waiting for November #15 allocation, I would look elsewhere or wait for a 2014 model. Who knows those could be out in early summer of 2014....not the fall of 2014.

:word: That's my plan with either the FRS or the BRZ.

It's like a high school lunch room; theres enough chicken tenders for everyone, no need to run and be first on line.

You youngin's had chicken tenders in high school? I'm not even sure I could identify what our food was... except on pizza day.

lmao I remember the nerdy kids would run right out of class to be the first in line at lunch so they could use the rest of the time to play magic the gathering

Spring releases tend to be primarily for new releases/major redesigns. If I had to guess the 2014 would be released 14 months after the 2013 to get it back inline with most release dates.

With a late May/early June release that puts it in the July/August range.

I guess I'm bad
 

I put money down on the BRZ limited and the FRS with options. I made a spread sheet that list differences between the two, but I am waiting to learn the MSRP of the subie and set prices on my FRS with options. Both deposits are refundable, and I figure that the only cost is the what I pay in interest for the next few months. Fourth on the list for subie (red baby red) and sixth on the list for the Scion (hot lava).

Care to share that spreadsheet?

In brief (general overview):

BRZ gets you HIDs + Nav (in premium), different cloth seats compared to FRS
BRZ limited gets you leather seats, heated seats + mirrors + wipers, fog lights, ACC, spoiler, keyless entry + push start
BRZ gets you WRB
BRZ different front end

FRS gets you Hot Lava paint
FRS you get cloth seats different than BRZ premium
Halogen projectors
Different front end

We don't have an option list for the FR-S yet. It's possible an FR-S could be optioned up to the same level as a BRZ.

Union City Toyota / Scion. Place was pretty cruddy to begin with though, they just want your money; don't seem to care too much about you as a customer.

Emailed Scion and that's completely legit so long as they state it; at that point I'd just buy a BRZ if those were my only two options.

I think the BRZ will be the more Rare model to be had ..
since there will be a boatload of FR-S like the Scion TC
since TOMOCO wants product saturation to return on their
investment.

Might want to try Team Scion/Toyota in Lithia Springs. They don't seem to going that route, and all the Scions on their lot are clearly marked at MSRP with some dealer installed options.

I actually lucked out at Toyota of Newnan and it's closer which works out great.