2014 Volkswagen Golf R official info drops
 

Find it here. 296 hp with all kinds of new tech to make the handling more neutral than the current nose-heavy plough. Looks like they may have a winner, if the PR bumpf is to be believed. Now if they can keep the price reasonable - say $42K in Canada. Nice looking in a conservative way, although not much there to differentiate it from the base Golf:
http://preview.netcarshow.com/Volksw...14-1600-01.jpg

Wow 296hp from a 2.0T would have been impressive if it wasn't for the CLA45.

Jeez, that looks super-boring.

Why is this always such an overpriced car? I can't figure out why people buy them or why it's on the market. Don't get me wrong, if it was given to me then I would probably enjoy it. But it's $10,000 more than a GTI for just a little bit more power and center exhaust. It does look good though.

Is there something I'm missing? :iono:

Well there's the whole FF->AWD conversion...

But for 10 grand?

Meh. More if the same from VW's R line (impressive but bland and overpriced (educated assumption)). By the time it reaches NA shores, the MKVIII will be close to launching.

I agree I always liked the golf r but then I look at the price...

Id rather have a souped up wrx if I was looking for a 40k hatch

that would mean something if ff vs awd was that simple but the ff in the gtj is probably at least as good as the awd in the r

I think the market for these is not us. I think the R market is for guys like my dad, a bit older, more conservative than he was 20 years ago, likes the idea of awd, but isn't looking for outright speed.

He had a GTI but wanted a little more w/o having to mod or tune and the R was a perfect answer for him.

I thought r was for race spec :iono:

:lol:

I don't know what their intention was...but it certainly didn't result in a race spec golf.

Its going to be the same result as the current gen. With $1000 (downpipe + stage 2) it will as fast if not faster than a stock R for FARRR less $$$. except mk7 Rs seem to look worse than mk6s...

At stock power levels, maybe. But once you drive a stage 1 mk6 GTI (250hp/300tq), you quickly realize how important AWD is.

I think the current mk6 Golf R is misunderstood. Stock, yeah it's not worth it vs. a GTI. But once you modify it (335hp/338tq @APR stg2) it begins to make sense. Then you've got a car that's on par with the STI/Evo, but with a lot more refinement.

I like these, another reason to get one is that you just never see them, period.

I saw one of the 13 models recently then looked at the price.

I was like WTF?

You can buy an STI hatch and have a lot of money left over for mods.

As a real world example. In the us so far they have only been sold once only 4 years and in limited numbers.

3 Things have typically happened in this market.

1) Some people are happy to pay the premium.

2) There always seems to be a good amount left over heavily discounted to about the price of a loaded gti.

3) Very low depreciation when purchased at discount.





Outside of that its a really nice gti, with better suspension, brakes, awd, and a stepped up engine (but no more vr6 sex). Kinda like a gt oriented sti basically.

It is argued that an sti isn't worth the price premium over a wrx, and its argued that an r golf isn't worth the premium over a gti. But atleast on the vw side the differences provided by the r model are true differences unavaliable on the lesser model (awd, 3.2 vr6 in past, buckets and irs on original r32)

Buy a MS3 for 24k and rape this car all day....stock

Until you torque-steer into a tree.

You guys spec shop way to much. :bellyroll:

Spec shop? We're FT86 owners, we're the last people to be spec shopping :lol:

One advantage the R has over the WRX/Sti that I thought FR-S owners would appreciate: it's a decently compact car with a relatively low driving position - much better than the WRX. When I sat in that thing in a Subie showroom it felt gigantic.

Yeah the dimensions of the current-gen GTI are nice and tidy. It's almost like an optical illusion -- you would never guess how much interior space it has given its short length (same length as the FR-S). Whenever I put friends in the rear seats, their first comment is usually how roomy it is back there.

I have to disagree with the low driving position though. My wife and I had been driving the FR-S to work everyday this past week. We took the GTI today and were just commenting this morning about how tall you sit in it compared with the FR-S. She likes the higher seating position, whereas I'm not a fan. Since a picture is worth a thousand words...

The minivan on the right is the GTI:

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7127/7...d599d469_z.jpg

gf has a 11' tdi golf, it usually gets parked in the garage next to the frs.

dimension wise they're pretty similar externally with the exception of height.

either fits in the short bay with motorcycle parked in front.

I almost bought a Golf R until I learned you cannot fully defeat the stability program. I understand there are ways around it, however I did not want to spend that kind of money on a car and immediatly hack it just to turn the aids off.
I autocross and track too much to bother with it.

Yeah I was on a track with a bunch of GTI guys last weekend, and you could feel the stability control clamp the brakes in the middle of the carousel turn at Summit Point Shenandoah. It was funny - there were a bunch of us GTI's lined up for that turn, and without fail, you could hear all of our stability controls clamp the brakes at the same spot in the turn. *screech* ... *screech* ... *screech*.

This was with all nannies supposedly turned off. Argh, VW. :thumbdown:

FWIW, I hear it may be possible to fully disable all nannies on the 2012+ models.

It is. Only in the US though. I even asked my dealer if I could order a Canadian-Spec car. They said: "Uhh no...why?"

Good job VW, you lost a potential customer.

Yeah I think its priced up there with the Evo and STI (34-36K USD) but the interior is light years ahead of the competition.

Who would seriously consider this over an Evo or STi? Seriously, I want to know lol

Nick C.

LOL. I hate all the games manufacturers play. It's like here, "push this button to turn off the nannies, but they're not really off." What the hell, why have the button then? Hope the new R doesn't have this issue.

This has been beaten to death in every gti/r thread on every forum including vw forums, and in this thread.

In a nutshell, on legal roads they provide a much better dd experience for the person that wants nice things.


You clearly don't like nice things.

I don't either.

I like nice things, why do you think I'm working at DD? lol

Nick C.