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sosick 08-15-2013 12:29 AM

supercharger help...
 
So I gave up on turbo. Dont get me wrong I deal with alot of turbo cars some my own. But I wanna see what superchargers got out there. N so far its between vortech n hks. I have a strut bar so manifolt mounted is off my list. Some one steer me in the right direction. Daily beast and some autox.

Fast_Freddy 08-15-2013 01:46 AM

Vortech.

troek 08-15-2013 09:27 AM

im kinda thinking the same thing as the op, ive been flopping from turbo to super and cant decide, but right now i realy like the low end power the inovate kit is putting out. i cant wait to see their intercooled version with maybe a smaller pulley.

sosick 08-15-2013 10:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by troek (Post 1142485)
im kinda thinking the same thing as the op, ive been flopping from turbo to super and cant decide, but right now i realy like the low end power the inovate kit is putting out. i cant wait to see their intercooled version with maybe a smaller pulley.

They have a 12 psi pulley for it now

sosick 08-15-2013 10:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fast_Freddy (Post 1142094)
Vortech.

Thanks im thinking that too the more I do research on it

Dezoris 08-15-2013 11:20 AM

Vortech, it works and is the most mature/tested and tuned FI zetup for the car. Once you get passed the install and know some of the sticky points its solid.

King Tut 08-15-2013 11:47 AM

Having a strut bar sounds like a great reason to exclude the Innovate Supercharger from your list.

Efferalgan 08-15-2013 12:07 PM

Actually Innovate still works well with some strut bars. Like:

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showt...=23136&page=15

sosick 08-15-2013 03:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dezoris (Post 1142684)
Vortech, it works and is the most mature/tested and tuned FI zetup for the car. Once you get passed the install and know some of the sticky points its solid.

Been reading up on the vortech and watching some builds. It looks pretty simple and ill still get to upgrade my intake mani

sosick 08-15-2013 03:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Efferalgan (Post 1142784)
Actually Innovate still works well with some strut bars. Like:

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showt...=23136&page=15

I have a megan strut bar n I dont think itll clear but hes got a sick ride right there

sosick 08-15-2013 03:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by King Tut (Post 1142748)
Having a strut bar sounds like a great reason to exclude the Innovate Supercharger from your list.

I still want room to get a bigger intake mani is my other concern with that setup thanks tho lol

nonicname 08-15-2013 03:19 PM

search the thread for the issues SC are having for this car before you go SC.
I still think Turbos are more reliable, but don't take my word for it.
SC are causing belt problems.

sw20kosh 08-15-2013 03:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by King Tut (Post 1142748)
Having a strut bar sounds like a great reason to exclude the Innovate Supercharger from your list.

Not gonna lie... I lol'd.

sw20kosh 08-15-2013 03:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sosick (Post 1143296)
I still want room to get a bigger intake mani is my other concern with that setup thanks tho lol

Look at the innovate pics again. They give you a new specially designed intake manifold. ;)

King Tut 08-15-2013 03:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sw20kosh (Post 1143413)
Not gonna lie... I lol'd.

It is a Megan strut bar after all.

Efferalgan 08-15-2013 05:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by King Tut (Post 1143426)
It is a Megan strut bar after all.

Indeed! Nearly hundred bucks - not piece of sh1t!

It's like: "No I can't go for a date with Megan Fox who invited me - my grandma doesn't like color of her eyes " LOL :D

reyruiz191 08-15-2013 05:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nonicname (Post 1143335)
search the thread for the issues SC are having for this car before you go SC.
I still think Turbos are more reliable, but don't take my word for it.
SC are causing belt problems.

The cause of belt failure was the belt rubbing against the intercooler piping on the vortech kits, and I believe only one was caused from a bearing failing on the pulley, that really doesn't have to do with the actual reliability of the blower. As long as you install everything correctly and review your install you should not have any belt issues. Myself and many others haven't had any issues with the vortech kit and I would definitely recommend it if you're going the sc route.

Here's a thread that has alot of info on some members' build threads as well as links to their personal threads.
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=34703

nelsmar 08-15-2013 05:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nonicname (Post 1143335)
search the thread for the issues SC are having for this car before you go SC.
I still think Turbos are more reliable, but don't take my word for it.
SC are causing belt problems.

Not completely true. I have 6,000 miles on my vortech kit, and average 4,000 miles a month. I have driven in many weather conditions and daily drive on the extreme end of temperature. I have had 0 belt issues. The majority of belt issues were install error as most people didn't center the upper charge pipe between the upper pulley & idler pulley. This was causing rubbing. As the engine will vibrate and the short clearance will cause an issue.

Simply double checking everything seems to be just fine. However even with this consideration vortech afaik has revised the pipe with a dimple to add extra clearance.

The innovate is another story all together, i have heard of issues with covers, belts, etc but i don't know what are legitimately an issue or not. My friend has had issues with his belt covers, and keeps a belt in the car from concern. The innovate is also much more complicated to tune due to lack of IAT sensor.

The vortech has slowly gotten revisions due to maturity and the quantity sold and is turning into a solid kit. And if you are going to increase power down the road the smaller pulley gives even more pipe clearance.

I have also had a lot of issues with mine that have been cleared up in the more recent shipments. If you have any concerns feel free to PM me and I can clear them up for you. Also note the vortech kit does take a bit more work than people think, so if your new to working on cars consider a shop. I my self modified a number of components and installed alternatively. The innovate is a MUCH easier install, but has its own set of unique issues.

ModBargains.com 08-15-2013 05:42 PM

Vortech would be the way to go. Vortech's been in the industry for decades now, and the most important thing of all is that they manufacturer their own superchargers which is really awesome. I'd say go with Vortech and PM me if you want a price quote on the kit :)

nelsmar 08-15-2013 05:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ModBargains.com (Post 1143698)
Vortech would be the way to go. Vortech's been in the industry for decades now, and the most important thing of all is that they manufacturer their own superchargers which is really awesome. I'd say go with Vortech and PM me if you want a price quote on the kit :)

I didn't want to sound like i was repping vortech in any way but this I would agree on. They have a long running history of superchargers and have a solid reliability history with their units (i am saying UNITS not the reliability of the vehicle its self thats up to you, your tuner, and driving).

Its nice to see them so actively modifying the system to make it better, and that they leave room for upgradeability. Also to mention they allow upgrading warranty, and even if you modify the system with a new pulley the warranty is "voided" but still in tact for a year from what i understand.

Darryljr11 08-15-2013 08:05 PM

If you can find someone loocal who will let you drive a vortech car. That will sway you in the right direction ;)

NoppyNop 08-15-2013 08:27 PM

If you are not looking at purchasing right now, I saw the Jackson Racing kit at 86Fest and it looked nice. The kits should release in October so that's not too far off.

sosick 08-15-2013 11:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by King Tut (Post 1143426)
It is a Megan strut bar after all.

Meaning it doesnt clear it. Smh

sosick 08-15-2013 11:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nelsmar (Post 1143693)
Not completely true. I have 6,000 miles on my vortech kit, and average 4,000 miles a month. I have driven in many weather conditions and daily drive on the extreme end of temperature. I have had 0 belt issues. The majority of belt issues were install error as most people didn't center the upper charge pipe between the upper pulley & idler pulley. This was causing rubbing. As the engine will vibrate and the short clearance will cause an issue.

Simply double checking everything seems to be just fine. However even with this consideration vortech afaik has revised the pipe with a dimple to add extra clearance.

The innovate is another story all together, i have heard of issues with covers, belts, etc but i don't know what are legitimately an issue or not. My friend has had issues with his belt covers, and keeps a belt in the car from concern. The innovate is also much more complicated to tune due to lack of IAT sensor.

The vortech has slowly gotten revisions due to maturity and the quantity sold and is turning into a solid kit. And if you are going to increase power down the road the smaller pulley gives even more pipe clearance.

I have also had a lot of issues with mine that have been cleared up in the more recent shipments. If you have any concerns feel free to PM me and I can clear them up for you. Also note the vortech kit does take a bit more work than people think, so if your new to working on cars consider a shop. I my self modified a number of components and installed alternatively. The innovate is a MUCH easier install, but has its own set of unique issues.


I have no problems with cars. Doing a type r tranny swap right now. It seems like most haters are just overly turbo fans. I love my turbos but id like to see what the superchargers gonna do and so far most things I hear about the vortech are good things

sosick 08-15-2013 11:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Darryljr11 (Post 1143997)
If you can find someone loocal who will let you drive a vortech car. That will sway you in the right direction ;)

Ill try milwaukee. Sheboygan is too small. All the brz n frs guys are just my buddies a total of like 3 brz n 9 frs. N we all just bought ours. I waited since 2008 for this damn car

sosick 08-16-2013 12:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by reyruiz191 (Post 1143675)
The cause of belt failure was the belt rubbing against the intercooler piping on the vortech kits, and I believe only one was caused from a bearing failing on the pulley, that really doesn't have to do with the actual reliability of the blower. As long as you install everything correctly and review your install you should not have any belt issues. Myself and many others haven't had any issues with the vortech kit and I would definitely recommend it if you're going the sc route.

Here's a thread that has alot of info on some members' build threads as well as links to their personal threads.
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=34703

Sick. Now I know who to talk to. Instead of some of these forum tards that come on here just to talk stupid. Thanks again


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