If you think this car is slow...
 

Then quite honestly you aren't driving it right. The last few days I have been driving it hard. Harder than I have driven it so far.
There is no way this car can be considered slow.
I will admit 1st gear is kinda eh... But anything higher and it just flys along.
By the way my last car was a Ferrari and I genuinely am having more fun with this car.
Carry on fellow owners. And drive the piss out of your car.

What kind of Ferrari did you have?

My last car was a 500hp Supra and I agree this car can seem quite fast when driven on a lively winding road and around corners.

But when you need to overtake someone on a highway it can be a bit annoying having to almost redline it to get past.

i think the argument that it is slow is because it exists in an age where numbers and stat sheets are what sells cars and creates buzz. 300+ hp is the standard, when wanting to be drawn into magazine articles for comparison. if this car came out in 2000 instead of the toyota celica, it would have won even more accolades. not to take anything away from this car, but the people who judge this car by its numbers are the people who read stat sheets and number comparison charts in magazines and such.

this car is not blistering fast, but it is fast in its own right, and very nimble. the car is better appreciated behind the wheel, not from behind a keyboard or stat sheet.

Very true. I don't think the 'cafe racers' will really appreciate the car. But honestly I'm having way more fun in this car than I had in my Supra. i love being able to access the entire rev range while driving hard through twisties.

Getting back in my car after driving my wife's Prius for 4 days straight, the brz feels like a rocket ship, lol... it has more than adequate power and I find I easily exceed the speed limit very quickly if I keep my foot in it... In the twisty canyon roads, you can't really put the power down unless if it's an uphill climb and a relatively long straight section. Any downhill section, a more powerful car might be too dangerous to drive all out...

I had a 92 348. So faster than the frs but not by much.

I came from a 600+ awhp GTR.....this car is a bit more enjoyable just b/c I can throw it around and have a lot of fun....but on the straights and digs I miss my GTR :/

2013 Scion FR-S (Manual) 0-60 mph 6.2 Quarter Mile 14.5
2013 Subaru BRZ (Manual) 0-60 mph 6.1 Quarter Mile 14.6


*** This list isn't intended to be all inclusive, it's not the best or worst of any of these models, but most are within 1 sec 0-60 and 1.5mph in the quarter mile of the '86 triplets. The list is copypasta from this site. It's intended to stimulate thought about what performance in our cars means and matters.

So which of these cars are slow? Which are fast? Which were fun? How much did they cost at the time? How much would they have cost in 2013? Which are classics and why? Where does the '86 fall in this grouping or amongst any others?
1989 Ferrari Testarossa 0-60 mph 6.1 Quarter mile 14.0
1988 Ferrari 328 GTS 0-60 mph 6.6 Quarter mile 14.8
1986 Ferrari 412 0-60 mph 6.6 Quarter mile 14.8
1991 Ferrari Mondial T Cabrio 0-60 mph 6.5 Quarter mile 14.8

1973 BMW 2002 tii 0-60 mph 9.7 Quarter mile 17.1
1994 BMW 325is 0-60 mph 7.1 Quarter mile 15.7

2000 Acura Integra Type-R 0-60 mph 6.1 Quarter mile 14.6
1998 Acura Integra GS-R 0-60 mph 7.2 Quarter mile 15.4
1991 Acura NSX 0-60 mph 5.7 Quarter mile 14.2
2005 Acura RSX A-Spec 0-60 mph 6.8 Quarter mile 15.2

1967 Chevrolet Camaro SS 0-60 mph 7.9 Quarter mile 15.2
1970 Chevrolet Chevelle SS 0-60 mph 5.3 Quarter mile 13.6
1956 Chevrolet Corvette 0-60 mph 7.4 Quarter Mile 15.7
1984 Chevrolet Corvette 0-60 mph 6.6 Quarter mile 14.9
1990 Chevrolet Corvette 0-60 mph 5.6 Quarter mile 14.1

1973 De Tomaso Pantera GTS 0-60 mph 6.4 Quarter Mile 14.3

1970 Dodge Challenger T/A 0-60 mph 7.0 Quarter mile 15.2
1973 Dodge Charger SE 0-60 mph 7.3 Quarter mile 15.0
1974 Dodge Dart Sport 0-60 mph 8.7 Quarter mile 16.5
2013 Dodge Dart Rallye 0-60 mph 7.8 Quarter mile 15.8
1991 Dodge Stealth R/T Turbo 0-60 mph 5.9 Quarter mile 14.3

1994 Eagle Talon TSi AWD 0-60 mph 6.5 Quarter mile 14.6

2012 Fiat 500 Abarth 0-60 mph 6.7 Quarter Mile 15.0

1967 Ford Mustang (V8) 0-60 mph 7.3 Quarter mile 15.4
1970 Ford Mustang Boss 302 0-60 mph 6.4 Quarter mile 14.7
1991 Ford Mustang GT 0-60 mph 7.2 Quarter mile 15.6
2010 Ford Mustang 0-60 mph 6.5 Quarter Mile 15.1
1994 Ford Probe GT 0-60 mph 7.4 Quarter mile 15.6
1996 Ford Taurus SHO 0-60 mph 7.4 Quarter mile 15.5
2014 Ford Fiesta ST 0-60 mph 6.7 Quarter Mile 15.0

1999 Honda Civic Si 0-60 mph 7.1 Quarter mile 15.5
2006 Honda Civic Si 0-60 mph 6.2 Quarter mile 14.7
2012 Honda Civic Si Coupe 0-60 mph 6.4 Quarter Mile 14.7
1991 Honda CRX Si 0-60 mph 8.6 Quarter mile 16.3
1992 Honda Prelude Si 4WS 0-60 mph 7.7 Quarter mile 15.7
1995 Honda Prelude VTEC 0-60 mph 6.6 Quarter mile 14.9
2000 Honda Prelude 0-60 mph 6.7 Quarter mile 15.2
2003 Honda S2000 0-60 mph 6.2 Quarter mile 14.7
2008 Honda S2000 CR 0-60 mph 5.6 Quarter mile 14.2
2012 Honda CR-Z Mugen 0-60 mph 6.5

2010 Hyundai Genesis Coupe 2.0T R-Spec 0-60 mph 6.7 Quarter Mile 15.0
2013 Hyundai Genesis Coupe 2.0T R-Spec 0-60 mph 5.8 Quarter Mile 14.2
2013 Hyundai Veloster Turbo 0-60 mph 6.8 Quarter Mile 15.0

1992 Isuzu Impulse Turbo RS AWD 0-60 mph 7.6 Quarter mile 15.6

1965 Jaguar XK-E II 0-60 mph 6.4 Quarter mile 14.8

1968 Lamborghini Miura 0-60 mph 6.1 Quarter mile 14.4
1982 Lamborghini Countach LP500S 0-60 mph 5.6 Quarter mile 13.9

1995 Lexus SC 400 0-60 mph 6.9 Quarter mile 15.0
2007 Lexus IS 250 0-60 mph 7.4 Quarter Mile 15.6
2010 Lexus IS 350 C 0-60 mph 5.7
2014 Lexus IS 250 F-Sport Package 0-60 mph 7.1 Quarter Mile 15.4

2002 Mini Cooper S 0-60 mph 7.4 Quarter mile 15.8
2006 Mini Cooper S John Cooper Works GP 0-60 mph 5.9 Quarter Mile 14.4
2013 Mini Cooper John Cooper Works GP 0-60 mph 5.9 Quarter Mile 14.2

1984 Lotus Turbo Esprit 0-60 mph 6.4 Quarter mile 15.1
1996 Lotus Elise 0-60 mph 5.9 Quarter mile 14.2
1999 Lotus Elise Sport 135 0-60 mph 5.7 Quarter mile 14.5
2001 Lotus Elise 0-60 mph 5.7 Quarter mile 14.4
2000 Lotus Exige 0-60 mph 5.3 Quarter mile 13.8
1967 Lotus Elan SE 0-60 mph 7.9 Quarter mile 16.1
1990 Lotus Elan M100 0-60 mph 7.6 Quarter Mile 16.1
1994 Lotus Elan S2 M100 0-60 mph 6.7
2008 Lotus Europa SE 0-60 mph 5.4
2009 Lotus Evora 0-60 mph 5.0

2007 Mazdaspeed 3 0-60 mph 5.3 Quarter mile 13.8
1990 Mazda Miata 0-60 mph 9.0 Quarter mile 16.5
1998 Mazda Miata MX-5 0-60 mph 7.9 Quarter mile 15.9
2006 Mazda MX-5 Miata 0-60 mph 6.6 Quarter mile 15.0
2013 Mazda MX-5 Miata Club Edition 0-60 mph 6.0 Quarter Mile 14.4
1983 Mazda RX-7 GS 0-60 mph 9.4 Quarter mile 16.8
1984 Mazda RX-7 GSL-SE 0-60 mph 7.7 Quarter mile 15.7
1990 Mazda RX-7 Turbo II 0-60 mph 6.2 Quarter mile 14.7
1993 Mazda RX-7 0-60 mph 5.4 Quarter mile 13.8
2002 Mazda RX-8 0-60 mph 6.3 Quarter mile 14.8
2009 Mazda RX-8 R3 0-60 mph 6.5 Quarter Mile 14.8

1986 Mitsubishi Starion ESI-R 0-60 mph 8.2 Quarter mile 16.0
1995 Mitsubishi Eclipse GSX 0-60 mph 6.3 Quarter mile 14.7
2006 Mitsubishi Eclipse GT (V6) 0-60 mph 6.0 Quarter mile 14.3

1990 Nissan 240SX SE 0-60 mph 8.7 Quarter mile 16.5
1995 Nissan 240SX SE-R 0-60 mph 7.9 Quarter mile 15.8
1989 Nissan 300ZX Turbo (Manual) 0-60 mph 7.2
1991 Nissan 300ZX Twin Turbo 0-60 mph 5.5 Quarter mile 13.9
1994 Nissan 300ZX Turbo 0-60 5.9 Quarter mile 14.2
2003 Nissan 350Z 0-60 mph 5.1 Quarter mile 13.5
2011 Nissan 370Z 0-60 mph 4.6 Quarter Mile 13.0
2003 Nissan Sentra SE-R Spec V 0-60 mph 7.2 Quarter mile 15.4
1989 Nissan Skyline GT-R 0-60 mph 5.5 Quarter mile 13.7
1999 Nissan Skyline GT-R 0-60 mph 5.1 Quarter mile 13.7

1969 Oldsmobile 442 0-60 mph 5.8 Quarter mile 13.7

1970 Plymouth Duster 0-60 mph 5.7 Quarter mile 14.1
1969 Plymouth GTX 440 0-60 mph 5.7 Quarter mile 13.5
1990 Plymouth Laser RS Turbo 0-60 mph 6.8 Quarter mile 15.2
1999 Plymouth Prowler 0-60 mph 5.7 Quarter mile 14.2
1969 Plymouth Road Runner (426 Hemi) 0-60 mph 5.0 Quater mile 13.5

1973 Pontiac Firebird 0-60 mph 7.1 Quarter mile 14.7
1980 Pontiac Firebird Turbo Trans Am 0-60 mph 8.9 Quarter mile 16.8
1991 Pontiac Firebird Formula 0-60 mph 6.4 Quarter mile 14.6
1997 Pontiac SLP Firehawk (LT-1 V8) 0-60 mph 5.2 Quarter Mile 13.4
1973 Pontiac Grand Am 0-60 mph 6.4 Quarter mile 14.3
1973 Pontiac Grand Prix 0-60 mph 7.6 Quarter mile 15.6
2004 Pontiac Grand Prix GTP w/ Comp G Package 0-60 mph 6.4 Quarter mile 14.7
1964 Pontiac GTO 0-60 mph 6.8 Quarter mile 14.7
2004 Pontiac GTO LS1 0-60 mph 5.2 Quarter mile 13.6
2006 Pontiac Solstice 0-60 mph 6.9 Quarter mile 14.8
2007 Pontiac Solstice GXP 0-60 mph 5.5 Quarter mile 14.0

1950 Porsche 356 0-60 mph 13.9 Quarter mile 19.2
1964 Porsche 911 0-60 mph 8.8 Quarter mile 16.2
1989 Porsche 911 Carrera 4 0-60 mph 5.4 Quarter mile 13.7
1990 Porsche 911 Speedster 0-60 mph 5.9 Quarter mile 14.5
1974 Porsche 914 2.0 0-60 mph 8.8 Quarter mile 16.5
1988 Porsche 924 S 0-60 mph 8.4 Quarter mile 16.2
1993 Porsche 928 GTS 0-60 mph 6.0 Quarter mile 14.3
1990 Porsche 944 S2 0-60 mph 6.6 Quarter mile 14.5
1997 Porsche Boxster 0-60 mph 6.5 Quarter mile 14.7
2005 Porsche Boxster 0-60 mph 5.9 Quarter mile 14.5
2012 Porsche Boxster 0-60 mph 5.5
2007 Porsche Cayman 0-60 mph 5.3 Quarter mile 13.9
2014 Porsche Cayman 0-60 mph 5.3
2011 Porsche Panamera 0-60 mph 6.0

1992 Subaru SVX 0-60 mph 7.2 Quarter mile 15.3

1980 Toyota Celica Supra 0-60 mph 10.1
1987 Toyota Celica GT-S 0-60 mph 8.5 Quarter mile 16.3
1994 Toyota Celica GT 0-60 mph 8.3 Quarter mile 16.2
2002 Toyota Celica GTS 0-60 mph 7.2 Quarter mile 15.4
1984 Toyota MR2 0-60 mph 8.7 Quarter mile 16.6
1993 Toyota MR2 Turbo 0-60 mph 6.0 Quarter mile 14.5
1996 Toyota MR2 Turbo 0-60 mph 6.1 Quarter mile 14.7
2000 Toyota MR2 Spyder 0-60 mph 6.5 Quarter mile 15.0
2005 Toyota MR2 Spyder 0-60 mph 6.8
1983 Toyota Supra 0-60 mph 8.8 Quarter mile 16.6
1991 Toyota Supra Turbo 0-60 mph 7.0 Quarter mile 15.4
1994 Toyota Supra Turbo 0-60 mph 5.2 Quarter mile 13.5
1997 Toyota Supra Turbo 0-60 mph 5.0 Quarter mile 13.4

1983 Volkswagen Rabbit GTI 0-60 mph 10.5 Quarter mile 17.5
2002 Volkswagen Golf R32 0-60 mph 6.0 Quarter mile 13.9
2012 Volkswagen Golf R 0-60 mph 5.5 Quarter Mile 14.0
1985 Volkswagen GTI 0-60 mph 8.9 Quarter mile 16.7
1995 Volkswagen GTI VR6 0-60 mph 7.0 Quarter mile 15.3
2003 Volkswagen GTI VR6 0-60 mph 6.4 Quarter mile 15.0
2012 Volkswagon GTI Edition 35 DSG 0-60 mph 5.4 Quarter Mile 13.9
1987 Volkswagen Scirocco 0-60 mph 7.6 Quarter mile 15.9
1994 Volkswagen Corrado SLC 0-60 mph 7.1 Quarter mile 15.4
2010 Volkswagen Scirocco R 0-60 mph 5.8

I've read a lot of comments like this, and of course a lot of discussion on everyone's favorite torque dip. Personally, I enjoy driving cars that require high RPMs to get the full effect. Like my girlfriend's 2ZZ Corolla. VVTLI doesn't even kick in until like 7200 RPMs. So even at 7100 RPMs, you're not giving it enough!

Don't hold me to that, it might be more like 6800, but still. You get the idea.

I've test driven two FR-Ses, and they were both brand new, so I babied the hell out of them. And since I haven't gotten to drive my own yet, I still have no first hand experience with the "slowness." But when I read stuff like this, it just makes me more excited about it.

I dunno but I rather enjoy rev matching 3rd gear from 6th on the highway from ~60mph. Makes me feel all race car like and when I'm done I'm only doing 70-75. lol

Exactly. The noise adds to the sensation of speed, especially when it comes on all of a sudden like in a 6th to 3rd shift.

The fastest car I've owned was a 380awhp EVO IX that was capable of high 11s. I know what power is. But it's all pointless when I couldn't even use any of it majority of the time I was driving it. Power wise yes the BRZ/FRS isn't going to blow anybody's doors off. But it was never intended to. But I COULD agree with most that maybe it needs perhaps just about 20more hp or a little bit more low end torque. But otherwise it's more than enough for me too.

Good luck with that, I felt the same way; this car is plenty fast if you drive it in the power band. But I wish you luck I really do.

Are you suggesting it's going to blow up?

Yeah what's with suspicious luck guy?

Also everyone knows that one of the main selling points of a car like a ferrari is its mechanical reliability :bonk: :lol:

It's all relative. If you're coming from a car that used to run 11's/12's/13's, as a good number of folks on this forum are, it'll feel slow. If you're coming from a car that ran 14's/15's or above, it'll feel fine.

To me, a "slow" car is one that feels unresponsive, heavy, and understeers through a corner, causing me to tone it down a bit to avoid death. To me, this is a fast car.

When people are all, "is it fast?" I'm all, "yes."

99% of the time they're asking about top speed, but I answer from a handling/agility standpoint. I'm aware that I'm not actually answering their question, but they're not. Of course if they're an actual car enthusiast, the conversation is a lot different.

He is the resident doom and gloomer. According to him all of our cars will explode sometime between 30-60K miles... If not sooner...

I digress, I don't find this car slow by any means. I also don't find it particularly fast in a straight line. I would call it quick. I have owned much faster cars, but I also enjoy this car so much on the twisties, and I enjoy driving the car the way it was meant to be driven. Above 5K :)

If my engine blows Im going to swap in an EZ30 I think... >.>

https://www.speedhunters.com/2013/08...le-spotlights/

It depends on what you intend to do with the car. If you intend to race/compare against other cars at highway speeds in a straight line, there are a lot of cars that will simply overpower you. You may feel that it is "slow" in this situation. If you intend to enjoy the car by itself (carving up back roads, etc.), then it has more than enough power. I'm in the second category. When I'm zipping around on deserted back roads early in the morning, it has plenty of power - if I'm wringing its neck I'm usually going way too fast as it is.

I don't think you really understand this term. You're using it like "bench racer". It may have originally started in Europe (50 years ago - how old are you?) as an insult to guys who wanted to look the part of a motorcycle racer but whose bikes spent most of the time parked in front of cafes but it mostly was used to describe motorcycles that were raced through the countryside from cafe to cafe. If you've ever seen one, you'd know why the races were short: the damned things are so uncomfortable you can't stay on one for very long.

If you're comparing this car based on quarter mile times and the ability to race Civics from stoplight to stoplight..... you're doing it wrong....

Kids need to understand this engine's (this car and all their cars) dyno graph(s) and their "sweet spots". Learn when to be in the sweet spot and you will think this car has endless HP. ;)

Every time I drive my forester (vf39 + boltons) since getting the frs I smile so much more, even just accelerating at a normal pace.

There is a considerable difference in feel between the two, and I appreciate where the lesbian wagon is at so much more now than I did when driving it every day.

Contrast can be a nice thing.

That said if you don't dance around the torque dip this car can feel like a soggy turd.

I prefer my turds soggy, actually. Different strokes...

:laughabove:

Troll thread eh?

Good stuff:bonk:

did you drive the piss outa the ferrari? If no than of course the frs is gonna seem faster etc. Our cars are on par with civic Si's, and are really only meant for tight roads/autox.

At times I did yes. That car begged to be driven hard.
I just have always preferred Japanese cars in regards to cost.

I have said this before and I will say it again. The whole concept behind the twins was to return to the glory days of sports cars when it was all about cheap, rwd, light weight cars, not about the numbers, not about lap times, or quarter miles.

If you purchased a twin and complain about its stats, then you just dont get it.

I owned a 490 awhp 04 STi. The straight line speed isn't the same on my frs but I can corner way better in the frs. I gotta say I love the frs more overall but still miss the power of the STi.
Frs slow? No way! I wouldn't really say its fast either. In my mind I think about it as quick and nimble. Nothing too crazy for power but enough to make the car balanced.