Arizona FRS/BRZ Dyno Weekend! (PHOENIX AREA) August 23rd & 24th - Featuring FA20CLUB
 

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Hey folks! As a number of you know I have been attempting to arrange a local dyno day with an in person tuner. As we know there is a large lack of available tuning resources in our region and no (as far as i know) ECUTek Licensed tuners. I have called a number of shops and have finalized organizing a two day rental of a dyno for the month of August. I have also arranged to fly in Toni from FA20club from Florida and he has agree'd to spend two full days on the dyno with us! I have negotiated with both the tuner & the dyno to get to what I consider a "reasonable" rate. As we will have limited time on the dyno and the cost of flying a tuner out, getting him a hotel, compensating for time etc there is a bit of a price attached to doing something like this. However thankfully I have made a few deals with the dyno & the tuner to drop their rates for both rental, time, and services in which they agree to forward to any members associated with this dyno weekend.

Innovate VS Vortech shootout!
Me and fellow member @evo4g63 have both agree'd to return our cars to factory condition prior to the dyno day. We will both be installing upgraded fuel system's following the event. As per popular request on the forum we have decided to give an accurate comparison of these two superchargers. Both of our cars will be running the stock, kit included pulley. We will be doing two tuning sessions each, one with E10(91 octane) and E85. Saturday morning we will load both cars onto the dyno for a number of pulls to get an average HP/TQ plot that we can overlay showing the power difference between these two superchargers. And how well they handle different fuel types.
Edit: It looks as if another shop may have beat us to this... I will verify with the shop and see about the conditions of their comparison.

As there has been much discussion over which is more powerful, which is better, which is more rational etc we decided to fork out our own cash to end this popular debate. Toni was willing to fly down originally to tune Me & evo4g63's car for a comparison dyno. After further discussion we decided to turn this mini-shootout into a dyno weekend to further help the community out. So keep an eye on the forum the week following for some dyno's!

Details:
Tuner: Toni @ FA20Club
Guest Star: Dezoris - Will be filming the shenanigans!
Dyno Type: Dynojet
Dyno Location: GoodSpeed Performance in Scottsdale, AZ
Hours allotted: 16
Dates: August 23rd & 24th (friday & saturday)
Cost: 150.00/hr. This will include the cost of the dyno, dyno staff members, tuner "availability" fee's. (this does not include base tuning fee's from the tuner).

The hourly cost is slightly over the cost of a few of the dyno's in phoenix (100-130/hr was what i was finding). We are basically "splitting" the cost of the tuner's transportation & hotel costs for this.

The deal I have made is that we will arrange 10+ cars to show up to be dyno tuned by Toni. We need all 10 to show up & pay to have the discounted rates he is offering. Toni has agree'd to drop the cost of licensing, and tuning for users to a very decent price. The price for having him dyno tune your car on average is roughly $50-150 over normal pricing, including all fee's. For a accurate quote on what to expect please PM me directly with what you would like.

I have also talked to Toni and he has agree'd to let people share ECUTek cables with their friends prior to him coming to town. As he would prefer to street tune the majority of the cars prior to getting them on the dyno to help reduce our dyno cost fee's. So if you have a friend available you can get a reduced cost to get your car tuned, and purchase a cable at a later date.

Tune options available:
N/A Stage 1
N/A E85
N/a Stage 1
E85 upgrade for existing customers
N/A Flex Fuel

Boosted maps
Boosted maps + E85 Dual map
Boosted Maps + Flex fuel

Current roster: Name - Type - Date - Deposit Status
1. nelsmar - Vortech Supercharged + Flex fuel Friday - PAID
2. evo4g63 - Innovate Supercharged + Flex fuel Saturday PAID
3. RedLeader - Innovate Supercharged - PENDING
4. jack43 - Vortech Supercharged 12psi + Flex fuel (and bolt ons) Friday
5. Sivtec N/A E85 - N/A Friday - PAID
6. Withnolock - N/A E85 Saturday - PAID
7. Bonks86 N/A E85 Saturday - PAID
8. Ninjin - N/A E85 - PAID
9. thesleeper - N/A - PAID
10. EZWood - N/A
11. dsrttigr - N/A E85
12. witness89 - N/A Flex Fuel
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Please PM me for a quote on estimated dyno time, and tuning / hardware fee's. The prices look higher than they actually are. I will gladly explain them over the phone.. You will unlikely get a deal this good any time soon!!! We are already filling up and running out of time on the dyno within 24 hours of "talking" about doing this! so PM quick!

NOTE: Non-Refundable Deposit of 1 hour dyno time ($150.00) must be paid by August 9th unless otherwise discussed. All cars will be charged 1 hour base dyno time (as of current Toni is estimating that N/A cars will take roughly an hour). The reason for this is I must pay for the dyno time up-front. PM if you need to make special arrangements. I do not want a deposit to stop you from joining the party. Going over an hour dyno time we will just calculate how much time you spent and work it out. I won't be rounding up to full hours on dyno times like most shops do.

Also there will be plenty of space to park. We will be arranging a grill to be brought and have us some good ole grill time!

Quick price list (will revise tomorrow!):
ECUTEK License: $250.00 (Normally $300.00)
ECUTEK Cable: $300.00
N/A Tune: $250 (Normally $300.00)
E85 Upgrade: $90.00
Flex Fuel Hardware + E85 Map: $550 (Normally $650.00)

Sample Pricing:
N/A With a borrowed cable: $500 + ~1hr dyno = $650.00 estimated.
N/A With a borrowed cable + E85 Upgrade (switchable): $590 + ~ 1.5hr dyno = $815.00 estimated
N/A With a borrowed cable + Flex Fuel = $500 + $550 + 1.5hr dyno = $1275.00 estimated
N/A With NEW cable: $800 + ~1hr dyno = $950.00 estimated
N/A With NEW cable + E85 Upgrade = $890 + ~1.5hr dyno = $1115.00
N/A With NEW cable + Flex Fuel: $800 + $550 + ~1.5hr dyno = $1575.00 estimated

Again, if your are confused at all, or have any questions feel free to PM me and I will clear any questions up for you! :) Thanks guys!

Edit: We are going to organize bringing a grill and having a BBQ / meet on saturday for anyone just wanting to come and socialize. Once I hear from the dyno tomorrow I will post the address up, a time, and we can organize that.

I will also be pm'ng people late this week(end) and starting to organize a semi-unorganized schedule for dyno time. That way the people that only have a specific time they could run their car can get finished up in time. Toni will be flying in Thursday evening, and leaving Sunday morning. So we have two full days to work with.

E85 fuel!!: I haven't checked but there may be a pump or two near by with E85. I however have talked to Joe @ GoodSpeed and they said they have a drum of E85 we can use. However it only holds 55 gallons. They will be charging roughly $4-5 a gallon (so estimate 45-65 to fill your tank) which may be ideal vs having to go drive out and fill your tank, or bring containers. If you would like to use their E85 instead please tell me ASAP so i can get a ballpark number of gallons to them. They will possibly be ordering a second drum incase we need it.

Pending organizational thingigingingingignigningis:
1) Who can bring in a grill?
2) Organizing food for saturday
3) Scheduling, if you have a window of time you need to dyno please PM me asap so i can get you scheduled in
4) Possible afterparty or dinner at a local establishment / house?
5) E85 organizing.

-IT HAS BEGUN-

I think one of the options you wanted was N/A Stage 2.

2 more people and the discounted prices (listed above) are locked down! WOOOO!

Update me Friday, and tentatively E85. I want to thank Marin and Keith for setting this up! Also can't wait to meet Toni!

Great job setting this up guys. I will be there to help take pics, help with food, watch and the other stuff we talked about @nelsmar.

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Woot! Should be an epic day of sweating our assess off! P.s. the main Dyno day is Saturday for those mostly hanging out. Ill work out a grill if possible and whatnot for lunch.

I'm still hocked that this just "fell" in place at such short notice. Once I pay the Dyno ill post location info and maps for everyone. :)

Quite amazing organization!

Marin (nelsmar) was so excited about this event coming together he took a new glamour shot......

Let's talk about fuel real quick. Since I planning on doing two different fuel types. I have a 5-gallon gas can, will that be enough to tune on? I'm thinking that I should bring the car in low-ish on pump gas, run it mostly out then refill with the good stuff for the second map?

Is there a place near Goodyear/Avondale that sells E85?

True story.

There is a pump in goodyear not terribly far from the dyno. I will call this afternoon and verify that they still serve E85 prior to telling you for sure that it is. Hopefully it is... as I was planning on just driving out there and driving in circles until my car gets low enough to fill up.

I really want to go e85 but I'm torn. Should I just bite the bullet and get the flex fuel kit? Or should I save the cash and deal with the hassle of doing the manual switch. Ninjin, what do you think about the flex fuel option?

Not sure what day your doing it, but I would like to take you up on that can idea as well.

Ill be going manual switch. Plus there are a lot of people by me that would let me use their cable.

Depends on what your plans are and where you want the performance. For me, I don't really feel a huge need for the extra power around town, so I'll probably be DDing on regular pump gas and filling up from empty with the good stuff for autocross, so manual switching will work for me. If you want no-hassle extra power all the time, then flex fuel is the way to go.

Sure thing. I'm hoping to be there both days.

Is it manual switch as in re-flash or is it using the ECUtek map-switching feature?

I am doing this exact thing. Going in on e10/91oct and taking my e85 with me. That was I am not delaying time and having to jump off the dyno. This is ideal and I feel anyone doing e85 should take it with them and be ready.

As long as the E85 doesn't melt my gas can. :D

I got to see it dissolve a fuel cell this past weekend. It's nasty.

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Toni specifically said that the innovate guys might need a cool down time between fuels... so you might be off anyway lol... bring some ice.

Depends on your can.

I bought it at Wal-Mart, so I know it's good.

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I will just bring a Super Soaker

Eeeeeek :(

LOLLLL shit got me laughing damn hard in the office atm.

You already know I'm in. I'm not gonna do E85 or flex fuel, or pumps, or injectors. I'll leave the car as is for now, at least until I get a meth kit and install it. I'll see if anyone at the Tucson meet tonight is on the fence and if I can convince them to jump on board. There's some guys on base that have FRS's that might go for a tune.

I'm actually not sure what "manual" switching is. I was under the impression that we will have to reflash with the cable. But Marin said that you could potentially change it on the fly using the cruise control.

Email toni to ask if he is willing to do the "on the fly" switching via map selection. Thats up to him & the end user. Typically manual switching would be actually re-flashing the ECU. Which is what most members on E85 have been doing up to now. Thats why im paying the $550 extra for flex fuel, no worrying about what fuel i have that day! woo! :)

Please do! Were right at the pivoting point right now of the 10 minimal people we need for me to finalize it all (im already jumping to finalize and pay anyway, so hopefully everyone shows up otherwise im paying for it out of pocket haha). Should be lots-o-fun! I just got a few more PM's this morning of people interested hopefully they decide to bite the bullet and join in. :)

Again people are more than welcome to come spectate and hang out!

If you are getting an e85 only tune i would recommend getting below 10% pump gas then filling the enitre tank. You want to have the closest to e85 as possible for him tuning it. Otherwise after he leaves and you guys are filling up with different ethanol levels you wont be exactly at what the tune was calibrated for.

Flex fuel guys are fine probably fine with just a can.

I think


If he is going to tune your car for e85 you should have



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anyone that is doing dual maps he will have them drive in circles until that fuel light comes on HAHA. He discussed this with me last night. Should be interesting seeing a bunch of 86's driving in circles to burn fuel.

These kind of circles? :thumbup:

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I would imagine that we start with the 91 and then "drive in circles" till we fill up a bit on E85. IF Toni is there to explain the on the fly setup I might do that. We will see.

Your ecu is capable of holding 4 maps. They can be switched in the fly without having to have a laptop everywhere you go. Here is an example of what you can have.

Map1 pumpgas
Map2 pumpgas with racerom features
Map3 e85
Map4 e85 with racerom features

The one limitation I dont think any of the tuners have been able to figure out is the ecu will forget what map your on when you shut off your car. You just need to make sure to change maps based on the fuel you are running.

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How do you know what map you are on currently?

Thats gonna be a bunch of circles :) . When my fuel light comes on I still drive another 30 miles to get low enough. If I fill up on e85 from pump when the light comes on I get around e70 as I recall.

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When you hold the cruise control in the tachometer will go to the number indicating what map you are on. You can then toggle up or down to switch the pull in again to select. There are a couple videos on youtube. Look for ecutek frs map switching.

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WANT :drool:

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That Flex Fuel though :)

It might be but its the same concept as far as on the fly switching right?

I thought Flex Fuel was not having to worry about switching maps at all???
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Not sure if fa20 has multiple maps on his flex fuel. That would be cool. Its currently not something I have on mine. Having my racerom features back would be nice.

Flex fuel is not to get rid of maps but to get the specific ethanol content of the fuel. Its just so the tune is 100% calibrated for the gas you are running 100% of the time.

Without it then your tune may be e85 but your running e68 or e72. It does make a difference as far as power goes.

Dont want to hog the thread. Can meet up if you want to know more details.


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@Sivtec I'll be going to the phoenix region coffee meet on tuesday to pickup deposits from a few people, so if your confused swing by there and we can all join in and explain how it works, and i can show you how map switching works, as well as changing full ROM's over (say from E10(91oct) to E85).

i can run multiple maps on flex fuel no issues there