Need help( exhaust ticket)
 

hey, So i just got back home, after a retarted cop pulled me over, saying my exhaust was loud. ( its been a year with it and no problem)
He told me that it wasnt the loudness but that Greddy was not street legal and somethhing like my mufflers are to close to my body panel?, and he handed me a 157$ ticket...

Btw i have a greddy evo 3 exhaust ( no silencers) and a nameless downpipe( if it matters).

Is there anything i can do? this doesnt seem right for some reason......

im in montreal quebec, canada.

thx if you can help me out.

That's such crap. I don't know how laws up there. I know some city's pass little b.s. laws with things like this. Try to find out the so called violation on line. Should have some code written on the ticket. It's like cops giving tickets when the evo first came over for to big of a spoiler.

I strongly suggest you 1) post in Canadian section of the forum, and 2) find out what law he cited you on.

Or... maybe use Google?

http://www.spvm.qc.ca/en/jeunesse/ado-Tuning.asp

-alex

Reading that makes me cringe. Your laws are so much worse than here in California...

Exhaust laws are based on environmental regulations, since it can affect emissions and noise regulations in some cases. I understand why the laws exist (that no part of the exhaust may be modified), but wish it was more forgiving for systems that still use a catalytic converter. For instance, it would be awesome if you can get it tested and show it's within certain emissions limits or noise limits, you could then get a certificate for testing once each year or something.
Oh well. Too bad common sense has no place in today's world.

I'm not sure why the cop is retarded for doing his job. I've had the greddy evo exhaust with the stock front pipe and it was loud, and I'm guessing that the removal of the cat where you are is illegal. Just because you got away with it for a year doesn't mean you're exempt from the law.

Anyways, we all take risks knowing the possible consequences when we modify our cars (trust me I know, if you look at my build thread I'm dealing with these risks). Look up the laws and see what your options are and see if he cited you on something that is either not a law anymore or he wrote down the wrong information. I've had tickets in the past where they cited me for a violation but wrote down the wrong code for said violation and the ticket was dropped. If the law is legit, and he cited you on it, suck it up and pay the price of having a fun modified car.

Good luck.

idk if QC is the same as BC but here, we can dispute most tickets. might wanna try that

Communities have a right to regulate overly loud exhausts. Are you disputing that?

The reason I didnt get him so to speak is because he told me it had nothing to do with the sound level or else he would of used the sound DB machine which he didnt....
So im kinda ;/ about it, he really wasnt clear and just started blabbing on how its to close to my body panels and greddy is just illegal..... it says C-24-2 on my ticket i checked it on google but no success?
and thanks for the replies guys i know its my responsibility ext and i am not a child to be a brat and just say f cops but this just seems odd to me....

This and it really depends which state you live in. Most state wont allow t for environmental regulations but some allows it only if it is under certain decibels. I don't think you can really fight it. It is against most, if not all the states.

By the way, how are you liking your Greddy exhaust? Does it still sound the same after a year?

did i ever say i was? Did i ever write he stopped me because it was loud? i stated he said it didnt have to do with the sound.

Keep searching. You'd be surprised how often cops either write bogus tickets or mess up the code and expect you to pay for it blindly. If the same laws apply there as they do here you can get off with zero fine if they've fucked that up.

Welll... I found this on c-24-2 codes..
258. Every motor vehicle must be equipped with an exhaust system that conforms to the standards established by regulation.

1986, c. 91, s. 258.

259. No person may sell or offer for sale, for use on a public highway, an exhaust system that does not conform to the standards prescribed by regulation.

1986, c. 91, s. 259.

260. No person may perform or cause the performance of any operation on a motor vehicle to cancel or reduce the effectiveness of the exhaust system of the vehicle.

1986, c. 91, s. 260.

IIRC, the hood scoop and spoiler on the Hawkeye STIs are technically illegal in VA. Lol

The word is "retarded" as in: you must be retarded, if you can't spell retarded correctly.

dude i misspelled a word from typing fast, are you that much of a douchebag?.

......... and it went from us helping you, to no one helping you.

Seriously, you should be doing research on this via others that have experience IN MONTREAL QUEBEC CANADA.

Or did you not read what I wrote previously? Or maybe you can speak nicely to an officer?

From what I can read, the Greddy exhaust (if louder than stock) is not street legal in Montreal being that it is louder than what the factory system is.

-alex

is this how you speak to people in real life? i can speak nicely to the officer? like what are you talking about?
i said nothing on this post that was rude or mean to any member, exept that wasteful post above me just to shoot needles at me for no reason.
I DID READ what you said, and i found the codes and posted them just wanted some feedback.
geez, have a beer go outside, it helps:happy0180:

If you did all that, then why are you asking a bunch of people on the general FRS forum for advice? It's faster if you used the Canada section, or just find out tomorrow by calling perhaps the local police station for info?

I've gotten into plenty of "trouble" before with modified parts on my car(s), and I have never found it alarming to get a ticket for a modified car. Yes, the reason(s) may be bullshit to you, but to the officer they are enforcing the law as they are trained.

Maybe it's a case of the officer reading the law incorrectly, but (from what I can see) the laws in Montreal prohibit street use of an aftermarket exhaust if it's louder than stock, and last time I checked, Greddy makes no exhaust that is same decibel (or lower) than factory.

In any case, if you want to feed the trolls next time, you can reply to their posts. If I were you I'd just ignore the post and flag it to a moderator if it really offends you. It's not hard. But by resorting to calling someone a d-bag just because that person made fun of your typo (calling an officer retarded is not exactly a good way to be level-headed about this) this isn't helping you at all.

In any case, good luck. At least here in California (completely unrelated) exhausts can be no louder than 95db measured to a SAE standard.

-alex

nyways, i appreciate your answers, WILL POST IN canada section next time ( honestly didnt even see it before).
I understand what your saying, the thing that was mind boggling me is just that i asked him at least 4-5 times if it was the sound and he said no!, that it had nothing to do with the sound and more the actual exhaust itself.
and yes i wont feed into trolls ;D
thx again !

OK - here's what you do

Pay the $157 and call it a day.

The ticket gets taken care of and you keep your exhaust

You have to pay if you want to play

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Nonsense like this makes me glad I live in good ol', backwards ass, behind the times Mississippi. I can understand emissions and noise ordinances, but your muffler is "too close" to your body panel?

[To be read in stereotypical Texas accent] "I'm sorry son, but your muffler is simply just too close to your body panel. Do you realize what sort of danger this is to your body panel? Why... it could melt a little bit right there. Then, as your government, I would be terribly distracted from my (clearly very important) duties knowing there's a beautiful car like this driving around with a tiny cosmetic blemish. Not to mention the smell of melted body panels attracts Man Bear Pig. And besides... Greddy is not street legal around these parts. We only fuck with HKS 'round hyaw. Now you get own, now, ya hear? And pay me money. It's for your own good." - The Government

That's where you went wrong... if an officer suspects you in violation of a regulation, the officer won't listen to your reasoning and will cite you for it unless you have some compelling evidence on the spot to prove otherwise.

Don't argue with an officer. It's like arguing on the internet, but with legal consequences...

If you're in CA, you're wasting money by giving in.

http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/vctop/d12/vc27151.htm

95db or less. The CA state referee used to have a testing program that allowed your exhaust to be "certified" if you got an exhaust ticket. IMO this was one of the most forward-thinking programs in the country as it allowed people that got exhaust tickets to have it certified, then show the certification if pulled over.

Unfortunately this program was canned in CA after the state almost went bankrupt a few years back.

-alex

Thus proving once again that it's all about revenue.

Capitalism: it works!

ticket was already written, i dont care asking him the same question 15times if i have to, i just told him i didnt understand and to tell me again what is the reason. NO REASON not to do that.

but im just gonna pay it and be done with it. not gonna miss work for court or some intense research for this, just kinda mad at these ridiculous laws that make no sense.
i was reading some posts now in quebec that people with stock supras got the same ticket as me because they think its not OEM. lol like 15+ ppl and lost in court, kinda ridiculous.

Money's not being wasted - your paying to resolve an issue and get back to having fun with the car

I would raise so much hell if I were one of those Supra owners. Prove to me that my Supra exhaust on my Supra is an aftermarket one, and I will pay your ticket ten fold.

Not exactly...

The program was run as part of CA BAR but was taken out because a number of BAR stations was shut due to budget cuts.

But it seems like the program is back now. http://www.bar.ca.gov/80_BARResource...evel_Cert.html

I should note, the original version of this program had free testing (I took advantage of it), and the program was to be funded by exhaust ticket fees that the state was collecting.

Revenue or not, at least CA is trying to be fair to all sides on this. I remember it took SEMA several years to get this law to even be considered in California.

-alex

Well that's good. I'm glad to hear they're bringing it back. Life would be easier without exhaust laws to begin with though. I'm not talking about noise or emissions, just exhaust laws.

wow i feel you... i had a HKS on my DC2 for like 3/4 years and passed by cops no problem and one day a cop pulled me over because it was too big:bs:

500$ ticket / had to get smog test / had to go to police station to get it check and signed ticket / go to court and see a judge and plead guilty.. about a 600$ ticket after :mad0260: thats california for you.. thats why im a bit hesitant to get a exhaust still.. im going with a dual stock exhaust style like stock... i dont want a can exhaust type where cops will get an eye on it :bs:

500/600 O.o I got a ticket for a loud exhaust when my celica was completely stock. it was like 175. But I went to a ref with a decibel meter and passed me. Back when the first fast and the furious movie came out all my Japanese import friends were getting pulled over at lot more.

Some people actually have authority over other people to create and/or enforce laws regulating things they know nothing about. It's insane.


DEH TURK ER JERRRRBZ!

Welcome to the Canadian police state.

You dont know what a GReddy Evo 3 exhaust is? there all over the forum :bonk:

Looking at a photo of the Greddy I could see why a cop low on his ticket quota could pull you over, it's not exactly a subtle looking system with those huge tips and the fat cans right behind them.

I like four cylinder engines, but in my opinion, they never sound very good - no matter what exhaust is on them.

Thank you for your contribution to the thread

chapter C-24.2 is the Highway Safety Code of Quebec.

212.1. The Société may require the removal, repair or modification of any equipment on a road vehicle that has not been installed by the manufacturer of the road vehicle if the equipment presents a risk for road users.

1998, c. 40, s. 69.

Good working order.
213. All equipment prescribed in this Code must be kept in good working order at all times.

Applicability.
1986, c. 91, s. 213; 1998, c. 40, s. 70; 2003, c. 8, s. 6; 2006, c. 3, s. 35; 2008, c. 14, s. 24.

Prohibited alterations.
214. Except with prior approval from the Société, no person may

(1) make, on a road vehicle intended to be operated on a public highway, alterations to the chassis, alterations to the body or to a mechanism if susceptible of reducing the stability or braking capacity of the vehicle or any other alteration that would transform a vehicle into a vehicle of another type;

(2) make alterations on or to a motor vehicle or combination of road vehicles that does not meet the requirements of the Motor Vehicle Safety Act (Statutes of Canada, 1993, chapter 16) and that is intended to be operated on a public highway for testing purposes.

1986, c. 91, s. 214; 1987, c. 94, s. 42; 1990, c. 19, s. 11; 1996, c. 56, s. 144.



And just for the kick of it.. this one's funny

214.0.1. This Title does not apply to a self-propelled aerial basket.... WTF is that anyways?? a blimp??

Now, you may want to check that your exhaust is compliant with emissions and other regulations under the Motor Vehicle Safety Act, which it probably isn't and the officer would've been correct. But I don't think he was in a position to judge whether it is compliant or not, maybe why he used the prosimity to bumper excuse. What he should've done is order an inspection of the vehicle for compliance, which he is allowed to do... but he probably was right in his assumption that it is not compliant.

So proceudres-wise, he was not right, but he probably was right in the fact that your exhaust is not compliant. Following an inspection they usually just require that you change the part and come back for a second inspection. But you don't usually get a ticket. Oh well.. fight it if you wish, but for 150$, it may not even be worth your time.

I like that. Very funny.

Haha in Merica i aint got no problems like that!