2014 Nissan 370Z
 

Nissan has announced pricing for the unchanged 2014 370Z (reference Autoblog for more info) and the big news is that the base price has been lowered $3130, new base price being $29,900.

332hp
270 lb-ft torque
3278 lb curb weight (still 500+ lbs heavier than our cars - ridiculous!:eyebulge:)

What you guys think? Seems like this makes the 370Z a legitimate competitor for the Twins (or at least more than before).

Wow...gotta say I would have seriously considered the Z back in January if the base was at that price. I may have still gone with the BRZ (driving/handling dynamics plus a backseat), but I would have at least test drove a Z to compare.

This is a smart move by Nissan. Now if they can just fix the awful floating gauge cluster.

I do have a thing for that color Monterey Blue
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The 370z is a nice car, especially at the new lowered price. I would definitely take it over, say, a Genesis Coupe.

If they could refine the drivetrain more, cut some weight, and improve outward visibility, I would consider one.

I wonder if they have cut some corners to lower the price that much of if this is just a byproduct of the Yen dropping in value.

Yeah, would suck if you just bought one of these, but maybe this will put even more pressure on other companies (Toyota, Subaru, Hyundai, Ford, etc) to be competitive in this price range with RWD sports coupes.

We'll be seeing more of these "under $30k sportscars", if the twins should be successful in a few years. Nissan could've re-design a new gen of 240sx instead of lowered the cost of the fat Z. But then again, it's rare for any auto maker to have more then 3 sportscar in this day and age.

having driven / owned these cars i'd still pick the genesis because the Z apart from being quick in a straight line isn't really fun to drive .. in terms of driving experience if i had to put a note on the twins, a Z and a gc it would be a 9 a 5 and a 7

there's just something wrong with the Z .. it may put down nice numbers but who cares if you dont have any fun doing so ..

Interesting, I didn't realize the Genesis was that much better than the Z. I've taken a 370z out on a test-drive, but haven't spent any time behind the wheel of the GC. Never would have guessed the GC would be the more engaging car to drive.

Wow, that's a really big price drop.
So, were they ripping off the customers by that much all this time?

The dealers in Canada post them at 40K+

Needless to say they are pretty uncommon.

They can set the price at whatever the market will pay. It would only be a rip-off if you couldn't buy the car at the listed price (markups and hidden costs)

So, say, 2014 FR-S comes out in 2 month with MSRP of $22k, you wouldn't feel you got ripped off?

2014 FR-S at $22k MSRP + $100 mark up will be more rip off than 2013 FR-S at $25k MSRP with no markup? I really think $22.1k is less rip off than $25k...

I just don't understand what you mean. :iono:

Hmm, you're correct. I hadn't taken resale value into consideration. I would imagine lowering the MSRP on the new model directly affects the price of (at least very recent) older models. "Why buy used when for 2k more I can get a brand new one?"

Good point.

To be fair though, while the MSRP may not fluctuate every MY has big improvements over the previous ones for the most part. People who bought the 350z right before the 370z came out would likely feel like they are in the same boat and the MSRP didn't have to change for that. Same goes for us. If the 10 Series FRS becomes the standard for the 2014 (or 2015) it devalues our cars more than if the cars remained the same.

Why would they be ripping off the customers? You pay extra for the privilege of owning something that everyone wants. No one is forcing you to buy it at that price, but you justify the price of ownership on your own terms.

They drop the price to encourage people to buy more Z's. Anyone could've just as easily waited until now to buy one.

How would anyone know the price will be dropping until it gets announced? :iono:

Let's say you just bought 2013 370Z yesterday at $35k. Today, you find out that 2014 370Z with same equipment will cost $32k. And there was no way for you to know that the price is dropping until today. You still wouldn't feel like you got ripped off?

$29990, I thought. Plus destination. And that's just a base model, not any of the other models which are still expensive. $45K for a touring roadster??

Want a real LSD, RAYS wheels, and Brembo brakes? $33020.
Want a real LSD, RAYS wheels, Brembo brakes, bluetooth, BOSE audio, and leather? $38300.

A $3.3k reduction doesn't make the car any less FAT, improve the visibility, or the steering. The Z competes with Gen coupe, not really the '86.

Fixt for heavyweights.

So... they dropped the MSRP to the same price they have already been selling for? Maybe we will get lucky and they will now sell for $26k. Not that I would buy such a fatty so close to the re-design.

I had a thing for Chicane Yellow but that was only on the first model year.

Hm base model only?...prices arent really dropping @ dealerships. My buddy picked up a 2011 base with 12k miles for 28k after all set and done!!! Jesus Christ.

Still gets worse the harder you drive. I have never driven a "newer" RWD car that didn't not want to oversteer as bad as the 370Z. But of course, this was using speed and body weight of course, i don't touch the handbrake.

For a purchase as expensive as a car (let alone a Z), I expect the buyer to their research. When I bought my car, I didn't just walk in to a dealer and point to a car and shouted "I WILL BUY THAT ONE!" I researched a lot, heed the warnings of multiple dealers, before putting the money down. Dealers are not all blood thirsty jerks and I've found a lot of them to be quite helpful. If you really needed to buy a Z yesterday, 1) I doubt you'll pay MSRP, and 2) you would be informed that the 2014s are coming out soon.

3) No matter how much you researched yesterday, you wouldn't have known that 2014 model would be $3k cheaper and you will feel like you got ripped off today when you find out about it.

Good to see the twins already affecting the market.

Um... If the dealer told you that the information for the 2014 model is going to be announced tomorrow or sometime really soon, you're not going to wait and see what the new features and pricing is? If the buyer doesn't have patience to wait and make a sound decision, then I'm sorry, that's the buyer's fault.

Don't know about you guys hating so much, I think that under $30k that's a great deal. I'd rather have that over a Genesis or mustang IMO.

That's a big "IF". IF there was any way for the buyer to know it (i.e. dealer tells you like you said), then yes, it's buyer's fault. But it wasn't possible to know that 2014 model will be 3k less before it was announced today. 2013 370z just became a rip off model year just like 2012 Civic was.

Say, you bought FR-S for $25k today, or last month or whenever. Tomorrow, Toyota announces that 2014 FR-S will be priced at $23. You wouldn't feel like you just got ripped off?

I agree that its a great deal for $30k. I just feel sorry for the people who bought 2013 model recently without knowing about 2014 costing 3k less.

I would probably consider getting the 370z if the price had dropped last year..

Dealers will tell you when a new model year is coming out. They might not tell you the price of the new model year, but you will for sure know that a new one is coming out. It doesn't matter whether next years will be cheaper or not. What matters is the buyer chose to purchase the the current model car without all the information of the upcoming year. How do you get that information? You WAIT until it comes out, especially at the end of a model year cycle.

Regarding your last question, if I bought a FRS for $25k last month, or last year, whenever, i'm paying for the privilege to own it at the time you want it.

What you say applies to ALL cars.
What I'm saying is specifically 2013 370z vs 2014 370z:
$34k 2013 370z = rip off
$31k 2014 370z = deal

I remember lusting over g35 coupes abd 350z's in 06.

Does the 370z feel like a death trap inside?

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Sure the Dealer would tell you when the 2014 model was probably coming out (if you asked). And in this case they would have told you nothing is changing. Nothing on the car itself was changed. I highly, highly doubt that the dealerships knew that the price of the car would be dropping.

And IMO I agree with others that the "base" model is missing some things that no sports car should, like a LSD...even though the sport package only comes with a shitty viscous rear diff. Sure the 19" Rays are nice but I wouldn't pay extra for huge wheels that aren't needed for any other reason than styling.

and FYI the MSRP on all 370Z models was dropped, except for the NISMO and Roadster.

I'm curious about someone's stated opinion that the Genesis coupe is a better sports car than the 370Z. Out of all the reviews between the 2 cars I have never seen one where the Genesis coupe won.

Not gonna lie.

When I bought my vehicle back in March if the Z had been under 30K I would be driving it today.

That said. I am glad I bought the FR-S and love my car.

I am so very torn now between the 370Z, BRZ and also waiting for the potential BRZ STI, new WRX, or new Z (even a 240Z?!).

If I got a twin today I would need to get an Innovate SC (which would then likely lead to a header, downpipe, exhaust, smaller pulley, robispec cooling, etc.).

Regardless I plan to spend 2.5k-3k on suspension for full coilovers, perhaps a rear bar, camber plates, etc. as I will track the car a bit and don't want a huge wheel gap, etc. So I'd be comparing them not in stock form FYI.

Thus assuming you obvious don't pay the MSRP, you can get a Z for say $28,750. I've seen BRZ Limited's going for $27,500 on the forum here. Thus the Z is $1,000 more for 50% more power and stock 18" wheels, etc. Add the sport kit and you're at $31,250 or so with an LSD, Syncrorev, and 19" wheels.

The problem then becomes expensive tires, lower gas mileage, and for some (not me), the lack of a back seat. I plan to spend $35,000 on my next car, but the question is whether I risk getting the power going FI in the aftermarket on the BRZ or just but the Z and forget about power mods and stick to some KW v3's (which I would get on the BRZ as well as I mentioned).

I want a BRZ with 18's, 210whp and the good mileage it gets! I think I'll still have to wait to see the STI will bring; however, I'm guessing it will add like 10hp with an ECU tune with a filter and better flowing exhaust. It'll cost 3.5k more and have better seats, 18" BBS rims, and some more red stitching too.

Drive the cars back to back for extended drives. The 370z will be much faster in a straight line, but the BRZ is the better overall drivers car. And by that I mean the BRZ is lower to the ground, handles and responds much better, has better driver feedback, and is much easier to toss around (my opinion). Sit in both cars and really get a feel for the driving position. They are different cars. The 370z is a solid car, but the cars are pretty different IMHO. The Z is more of a GT style car with the big V6 engine and the weight of the car. It really comes down to what you are looking for. I certainly would not blame anyone for wanting a Z over a BRZ/FR-S.

Thanks for the solid feedback.

I live in Chicago where curve roads are few and far between. You have much more opportunity to go fast straight than you do on turns.

Additionally, I would bright a lot of the handling gap by modding the suspension of the Z though. Say the 370Z stock is a grade "C" in handling and with some V3's, etc. I can get it to a strong B+, while the 86 starts at a B and with mods I would have it at an A-. They would definitely both have the same wheel gap at least. I'm simply speculating though, but stock for stock I know they are different rides.

Time will tell as there's 'always something new' on the horizon; however, I am thrilled that the twins are influencing the market. I love my RSX-S to death--it's tracked quite well, has an awesome interior, and I can drive super easy with FWD & snow tires! I wish if you took it's nicer interior and added it to the twins with an even higher rev limit and the FA20's better lower end torque, we'd be talking about an even more stellar machine!

Thanks again.

I can say that the back seats in my FR-S have saved my @ss 3 times so far. Another reason I'm glad I have my FR-S over a Z.

I think a price drop that large means Nissan wants to get rid of their inventory... because they're going to release a new model soon. I won't be surprised at news of a new Z coming out soon.