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devtec 02-22-2010 12:42 AM

Can someone do a chop with the hood 5cm higher as described in the Autocar interview?
 
Jaromir Cech says the hoodline will have to be raised about 5cm to meet pedestrian safety regulations. Anyone care to give us your impression of how this might look?

Midship Runabout 02-22-2010 11:27 AM

is five cm really gonna make that big of a difference

ack154 02-22-2010 11:42 AM

I think it'll be next to impossible to know how that'll really look. It's not a huge change or anything, but they're certainly going to have to alter a few other body components up front to really get it to work.

Axel 02-22-2010 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by devtec (Post 10377)
Jaromir Cech says the hoodline will have to be raised about 5cm to meet pedestrian safety regulations. Anyone care to give us your impression of how this might look?

he actually said 50cm...

Nemesis 02-22-2010 12:58 PM

I think it was something like 50mm not cm, I will go back and look...

Nemesis 02-22-2010 01:01 PM

:bow:Jaromir Cech did not say a figure in his interview, it looks like we got this from another source....?:iono:

Jordo! 02-22-2010 01:37 PM

I'd kind of like to see one with a higher hood just as a rough idea...

devtec 02-22-2010 01:44 PM

From the Autocar website:

Quote:

Senior Toyota designer Cech estimates than the bonnet is around 100mm lower than it would be with a conventional four-cylinder engine in place, but cautions: "It won't be quite as low for the production car. Unfortunately, we have to raise it maybe 50mm to meet pedestrian crash protection legislation."
Obviously we won't know exactly how it'll look, but that's the point of this thread: give us your interpretation, have fun with it, let's get a rough idea of what it could look like!

jay4prez 02-22-2010 03:11 PM

50mm=5cm=2inches,

which is about the size of my thumb, and I'm about 5"10.

its not a BIG difference, approx height difference is about the height of a standard id card.

Axel 02-22-2010 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by jay4prez (Post 10428)
50mm=5cm=2inches,

which is about the size of my thumb, and I'm about 5"10.

its not a BIG difference, approx height difference is about the height of a standard id card.

thanks for that info. I hadn't gotten around to checking out how much that meant either. I can live with a two inches higher hood. Obviously looks better the way it is...

I don't quite understand how a higher hood is safer for pedestrians? Does that mean a cab-over semi would be great to hit a pedestrian?

ichitaka05 02-22-2010 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Axel (Post 10443)
thanks for that info. I hadn't gotten around to checking out how much that meant either. I can live with a two inches higher hood. Obviously looks better the way it is...

I don't quite understand how a higher hood is safer for pedestrians? Does that mean a cab-over semi would be great to hit a pedestrian?

Maybe if you hit the pedestrian, they might roll over the hood easier w 50mm higher. :bellyroll:

MtnDrvr86 02-22-2010 05:57 PM

I think its for more space between anything that could possibly break through the body work and injure the pedestian the so nicely ran into you. like a crumple zone of sorts. then again if your going at say highway speeds i font think there is enough room between your hood and anything under it to save that dumbass pedestrian

Midship Runabout 02-22-2010 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by jay4prez (Post 10428)
50mm=5cm=2inches=Nemesis' penis

which is about the size of my thumb, and I'm about 5"10.

its not a BIG difference, approx height difference is about the height of a standard id card.

Fixed.


...Payback...

Jordo! 02-22-2010 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Dixie Normous (Post 10459)
Fixed.


...Payback...

Ouch :laughabove:

Hey, somebody make with the chop-chop!

Infernal 02-22-2010 07:58 PM

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here you go... My attempt - It's a little messy because it was only done quickly... :bonk:


Animated gif BTW - stare at it for a few secs

Infernal 02-22-2010 08:12 PM

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here it is 50cm higher for giggles ^^ :word:

VenomRush 02-22-2010 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Infernal (Post 10480)
here it is 50cm higher for giggles ^^ :word:

this made me laugh so hard... it looks like a shoe

Midship Runabout 02-22-2010 10:26 PM

reminds me of the new charger

Nemesis 02-22-2010 11:49 PM

The UK is pushing the pedestrian requirements because it will supposedly save lives for all the small/tight slow-going rdwys that are apparently slathered with pedestrians.
I can tell you all, that in the 8 years I have been in insurance, I have seen very few claims involving autos and pedestrians where the pedestrian was not killed. Not because of the shape of the vehicle, but because of their speed. Very few american rds (other then in NY) have speeds less then 45mph. Just as a comparison, 35mph will slaughter a human, or go through a brickwall. I'm really not sure how changing the shape/height of the front end helps in the majority of accidents. The way I see it, this is just the UK pulling a "California" and making up rules for cars to be sold there, throwing around their weight. California did it with the smog/emissions requirements, but you don't see all the europeans with the same smog equipement. Heck, you don't even see the rest of the 50 states following suit. The problem is that it costs a lot more for a company to have two different front ends then to have two different types of smog set ups. I love the UK, but I hate this recent rule. It better not make the front end ugly. I've got faith in Toyota though: if they made it look hot already, hopefully they can work their magic and not ruin it.:thumbsup:

Blokatos 02-23-2010 05:49 AM

IIRC Jaguar has a pop-up mechanism for the bonnet that is activated upon impact, kind of an airbag system for the bonnet which rises it in the appropriate height. Could be a solution although it might raise the price.

Besides that, a proportional raise of the whole design might keep the harmony of the design lines and along with it provide more headroom for the interior. Just a thought, could be wrong though...

Nemesis 02-23-2010 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Blokatos (Post 10539)
IIRC Jaguar has a pop-up mechanism for the bonnet that is activated upon impact, kind of an airbag system for the bonnet which rises it in the appropriate height. Could be a solution although it might raise the price.

Besides that, a proportional raise of the whole design might keep the harmony of the design lines and along with it provide more headroom for the interior. Just a thought, could be wrong though...

I know that with the MINI all they did was raise the height and change the shape of the hood. It has to be raised to a certain height and a certain angle to be legal. The MINI was ugly after the change. It initially had this "bulldog" look, and now looks pointy. I would really like the jaguar fix, but I highly doubt they would go with the comlexity, cost, or weight of such a system. I hope it's not ugly. :barf: Poor Toyota, can you imagine finally knocking a ball out of the design park in decades and then it all hinging on the front end change to meet one countries requirements...I hope it works out for them.

Doty0588 02-23-2010 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Nemesis (Post 10520)
The UK is pushing the pedestrian requirements because it will supposedly save lives for all the small/tight slow-going rdwys that are apparently slathered with pedestrians.
I can tell you all, that in the 8 years I have been in insurance, I have seen very few claims involving autos and pedestrians where the pedestrian was not killed. Not because of the shape of the vehicle, but because of their speed. Very few american rds (other then in NY) have speeds less then 45mph. Just as a comparison, 35mph will slaughter a human, or go through a brickwall. I'm really not sure how changing the shape/height of the front end helps in the majority of accidents. The way I see it, this is just the UK pulling a "California" and making up rules for cars to be sold there, throwing around their weight. California did it with the smog/emissions requirements, but you don't see all the europeans with the same smog equipement. Heck, you don't even see the rest of the 50 states following suit. The problem is that it costs a lot more for a company to have two different front ends then to have two different types of smog set ups. I love the UK, but I hate this recent rule. It better not make the front end ugly. I've got faith in Toyota though: if they made it look hot already, hopefully they can work their magic and not ruin it.:thumbsup:

What about what honda does? I know they use slightly different front ends on a couple of cars, but one in particular there is a big difference, the Integra, theres the JDM front end and the USDM front end.

(P.S. I'm more interested in maybe a reason for it then trying to point you out for wrong info, just a curious person.)

Nemesis 02-24-2010 12:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Doty0588 (Post 10573)
What about what honda does? I know they use slightly different front ends on a couple of cars, but one in particular there is a big difference, the Integra, theres the JDM front end and the USDM front end.

(P.S. I'm more interested in maybe a reason for it then trying to point you out for wrong info, just a curious person.)

There's always a chance that they would follow Honda's example, but are there any toyota vehicle that have used this method in the past? Does toyota have a history of using this method of dealing with the pedestrian safety law? I would love it if they went this route, but if toyota hasn't used this in the past, it could be unlikely. Not to say that they wouldn't implement something new for this awesome vehicle, but we can always hope.

ft86Fan 02-28-2010 07:49 PM

Every automakers should make one special version for the UK to meet their stupid requirement and make them pay extra for the expense. Why should the rest of the world suffer :iono:. If all automakers stick together I'm sure they'll do away with the requirement rather quickly.

KiRiMa 02-28-2010 09:49 PM

Could someone do a sideview animated gif of this 5cm raise?

Calais 02-28-2010 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Infernal (Post 10478)
here you go... My attempt - It's a little messy because it was only done quickly... :bonk:


Animated gif BTW - stare at it for a few secs


the front end looks abit rx-8ish with the 5cm raise

Lexicon101 03-01-2010 12:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Infernal (Post 10480)
here it is 50cm higher for giggles ^^ :word:

Looks like it wants to be a muscle car.
:bellyroll:

RegisBou 03-01-2010 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Lexicon101 (Post 11131)
Looks like it wants to be a muscle car.
:bellyroll:

or a truck slash suv! now we need a ricer to chop the back and turn it in to a rhino lined bed! hahahaha :bonk: :barf:

el-tacoma anyone?

Axel 03-03-2010 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Axel (Post 10479)
nice chop, but I say screw pedestrians!!

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Doty0588 03-04-2010 12:55 AM

I always thought that was backwards, the slow one's are worth less points cause they are easier to hit, its the fast ones that are worth more points cause they are harder to hit.

Lexicon101 03-04-2010 03:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Axel (Post 11493)

That.........
is awesome.
:bow:

Doty0588 04-05-2010 02:01 AM

I completely agree with you, if they could release the exactly as it looks right now, I would be very happy, but I do see them doing this stupid change to please those damn Brit's.

And I totally agree with you on this, if they do only make body modifications a couple of us on here should get together and work out how to do it and put together a how to thread.

Matador 04-05-2010 03:31 AM

Let the Brits keep the ugly version and give everybody else as is... well, everybody except California maybe ... hahahahahaa

Doty0588 04-05-2010 04:19 AM

Hey now, thats not nice, don't be hatin on cali.

Myka 04-05-2010 12:50 PM

The production version will be the new "shot heard 'round the world." Revolution over pedestrian standards!!!

Matador 04-05-2010 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Doty0588 (Post 13413)
Hey now, thats not nice, don't be hatin on cali.

lol, Don't get me started.

I'm sure you'll change your tune once you start living in the United Republic of California....

Bunch of Liberal Commies....














roflao 2 the irony

msrobley 06-07-2010 07:48 PM

Damn. I like the 5cm higher better than the original. Looks pretty badass. Meaner.

Doty0588 06-08-2010 12:11 AM

....ok well I'm pretty sure you are the only one on this website who thinks that.


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