ecu flash?
 

Ok so I have seen a couple threads where people mentioned they did a ecu flash after boosting or whatnot. My question is with my car which only has an exhaust, crank pulley, and intake does it benefit me at all? If so what should I be looking for. Sorry if this is a lame question, this ecu flash thing is new to me.

Thanks guys!

It will absolutely benefit you. You will notice more power with a tune alone than your exhaust and intake. It will idle better, better low end torque, stronger midrange in the torque dip area, and pulls harder up top. A tune should be everyone's first mod on this car IMO. You will need to research more about Ecutek. Its the most common used so far. There are a few guys on here who can send you the tunes. Check out my build thread for dynos of before and after. Its kind of expensive out the door, but some tuners offer free updates if you add other bolt on items.

What is a fair ballpark price I should be looking for?

900ish if you want your own cable. 600 if you find one to borrow

300 cable
300 license
300 tune

Roughly, depends on who you but it from

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Wow, I didn't realize it was that costly. You guys honestly feel that it makes that big of a difference? I am looking for a before and after either dyne or youtube videos. Just a lot of money is all but if its a great upgrade I'm all in.

Have you added the totals from your Intake, Exhaust and Crank Pulley up?

Good point :)

hp/$ it's probably the best deal running on the na side of things. that said, you'd still be better off saving up your money for fi of some sort if you want real power out of it.

399.00 will get you a custom written EcuTek calibration, with all the bells and whistles.

Yes, I went back to stock once, and it was kind of night and day...

Another good point is that the EcuTek can be used with a FI setup as well....


Right right?

Anyone here in or around the Madison WI area that would be willing to help me out with this?

Well if your ever in your neighbor state, I would be glad to help.

But I still need to find the Cable and License right??

I'm in Madison here. Nice to find a fellow FR/BR owner that's local. I went with Visconti for my tune, and you're welcome to use my cable if you go with any of the EcuTEK master tuners :) Though I will say---it's nice having your own. It'll allow you to switch back to stock if you have a warranty claim, record datalogs to send to your tuner, apply any new updates the tuner has and so forth.

As far as benefit, it's the best money I've spent on the car without question. It's a bit steep pricewise (I paid $600 for HPTuners and it came with three cars worth of credits for my previous vehicles), but it's well worth it. I opted to spend the extra $300 on the E85 map in addition to 93, and it's even better. Beyond the torque and power gains, the drivability of the car is massively improved.

Nope, that's calibration, and license, and a 14day rental/loan cable. If you want to buy a cable, we can sell that to you also. They retail for 350.00, but we sell them at 295.00

Dyno results? Is an E85 map separate or included?

91 oct, 93 oct, e85, and flex included( for flex you have to buy the hardware later)
PM me if you want sheets

Does that include updates for more parts assuming you stay NA? Does it include revisions needed from logging the car?

Yes lifetime free updates, providing you send data. We do not blanket adjust our files; each customer gets his or her file written for their car

Let me ask you this, if I took you up on your offer and used yours I could save and buy my own cable no problem right?

This is true, but I'm not sure of the process as I've never done it before on this platform. HPTuners had the license for the vehicle contained in the cable, but I know people've done this with EcuTEK (borrowed a cable and then bought their own). I don't know if it'd require assistance from the master tuner to do the license switch, or if the license gets applied to the ECU itself. Can anyone with experience chime in on the technical details here?

For reference:
Visconti
FA20Club
Dynotronics offer above

Definitely do research before you choose which tune you want, as there are quite a few offerings now just on the EcuTEK side. :)

The best bang for you buck is a tune and header.

Intakes are worthless IMO

We offer STG1 and STG2 tunes that will blow your mind.

I'll tell you right now that our tune is more expensive than the rest but we offer life time updates, so if you get a intake or exhaust, header you'll be covered

We are always looking to improve our product and that's why you'll see we have updated tunes every 30-60 days.

You get what you pay for !

John

FA20Club also offers life time upgrades on tunes and has AMAZING customer service. He also has something that Visconti doesn't have anymore...Visconti's customers! Hah!! That's what happens when you get cocky and treat people like shit..they move on to something better. That something better is @FA20Club.com..


If you don't get it from Tony then you just don't get it, do you?

That's funny - You can believe what you want but I had over 150 people request STG1 and STG2 tune updates this month and they continue to come in.

Sorry sir, but we are getting stuff done !

John

And you can keep living in your delusional world..fact is that I personally saw two cars you tuned yesterday making horrible numbers and after an hour on the dyno both cars are WAY better running. Hmmm...

Two turbo cars..both putting out more than 25% more power running no extra boost. Interesting. The cars made more power all the way across the band.

Flat out, your tunes were a effing joke compared to the tunes @FA20Club.com dialed in. Plus you're a ****head to boot.
@FA20Club.com for the win!!

Maybe you meant by "getting stuff done" you mean sweeping up around the shop, playing with your flex fuel kit that's a year late to market, or clearing out all the old customer files that have moved on to better vendors..

I see now...you're probably getting all sorts of stuff done with the free time you have now.

I guess that's why I'm retuning someone w/ fa20 turbo kit that's a FL local

lol

Well he just did two of yours yesterday..with amazing results. You spent nearly 30 minutes bashing him and Perrin on the phone but he put you to shame yesterday. I'd call out the two people as they're both active forum members but I'm the only one that has balls to speak the truth.

You just never give up do you.

I really could careless what you say, or what you claim I said to you for 30 min on the phone.

If saying I think we have a better product than the people you wanted me to price match upset you.. i'm sorrrrry lol

No, I'm not sorry.. I think this is pretty funny though ;)

John

No, I wanted YOU to tell me why YOUR product was better!! Instead you spent that time bashing Perrin and FA20Club.

I'm glad you think it's a joke but its no joke when you're losing customers by the day to the competition.

Lastly, the phrase is "couldn't care less" not "could care less".. Education is important man!! Maybe with all the free time you have on your hands you can take some night courses. I'd select a few in business management and a few in the English language.

You should take some advice from me bro...I have cars that cost 3 times as much as your house!! Trust me, I zillowed it. Lol

lol

It detracts from your argument when you deviate from unbiased intellectual statements and commence attacking someone personally, not their argument. Ad Hominem. That education, bro. I also don't really care how much you've paid for your cars. You have money, thusly your opinions are superior?

When you say FA20Club's Dyno results were superior to Visconti's, did Visconti also have the opportunity to tune these same vehicles in person on a dyno? Where are the graphs? So far all I've seen from everyone making attacks on John is talk, and nothing factual to back it up. Please show me how it's better and don't fill up a page worth of someone else's thread fighting in the sandbox.

How bout this John.. Put your money where your mouth is. Lets run your tune on my car, get it dialed in, then run Tony's tune on my car. Same day, same dyno, no bs...just some back to back runs. If you put down more power with your tune I'll pay you double what you would normally charge. If your tune puts down less power I owe you nothing.

We can have whoever you like present to be sure it's a fair and honest comparison. Shut me up, once and for all.

It's been a year since a reasonably-accurate comparison has been done. I'd love to see a Master Tuner shootout, and I'm sure the board agrees---that'd actually be useful information, unlike most of the "John's mean" posts. Find yourself an UNBIASED customer. Same car, same modifications, same dyno, same day. Post the numbers and let the hardwork of Visconti, FA20Club, etc speak for itself and then let the petty squabbling die.

Dyno charts will be posted today. I personally won't call out these two people as this conversation is between John and me. If they choose to post them here then you will see exactly what I'm talking about. These are two serious contenders in the FI crowd here.

Secondly, when he constantly tells me and others about all his business and how great he is and blah blah blah he is insinuating that he is better than the rest because of these things. He thinks I didn't use him for a tune cause he would match Perrin or FA20 on price. Both of those are false assumptions. I have cars in my garage that are ridiculously priced and most people think I'm insane for owning but I bought them because they PERFORM! I will spend more on a tune if it performs better no doubt!! Unfortunately he never once told me his was better...just told me the others suck.

If you see my post above I have offered to pay DOUBLE what John charges for a tune if he can out perform his competition. That will end this once and for all. Put your money where your mouth is!!

I agree!! I've offered up my car and I will stay out of the process. I said it above, he can have anyone he likes present for the session or he can come down and do it head to head. I legitimately want to see him side by side with FA20Club. If his tune puts out more power across the board he doubled his money on a tune and I won't ever doubt his work again.

Unfortunately all I've seen is his old customers with complaints of poor customer service and issues with their cars coming to Tony and once Tony dials them in they are happy. I'm giving John the opportunity to do this for me in my dime.

If this conversation was between you and John you'd have done it over PM and not cluttered up Jybrd's thread with this bullshit. So far, John's the only one between the two of you that offered him helpful advice: tune and header are the best bang for the buck. <--- That was the point of the thread, incase it's been buried in the bickering.

We all want a tune that performs better and most are willing to pay for it. Yes, we've heard you say FA20Club is superior. I've heard Toma say BRZEdit is superior. If you post dynos from these two turbo cars, unless you have charts from the same dyno on the same day with Visconti's tune it doesn't really show a damn thing. Everyone is cognicent of how easy it is to mislead with dyno results. Also you never clarified: did Visconti have the opportunity to tune these cars on a dyno, or was only FA20Club's?

As far as your bet to pay double... How about you find an arbitrary source that isn't already entrenched in personal conflict? Most chiming in here are already biased. Witnesses would even the playing field, but how about spending the time and effort to give BACK something to this community and assemble a proper, scientific test of ALL the major tune offerings on the market at this juncture? That's MY dare to all of you.

Comparing what you guys can do in person on a dyno doesn't help 99% of this community. Tune remotely via logs. Get the customer's car dialed in on each tune, and then run them back to back on the same day and see who wins.

All of the cars that have been re tuned came in with Johns tune loaded and many revisions to get to that perfect tune dialed in. Then these cars were placed on a dyno and run a few times to get a solid baseline of Visconti's tune on these cars.

Once completed, Tony reflashed the car and started tuning. He made gains on every single run after. One car was in the 230-240 range with John's tune and when I left an hour later had cracked the 300 mark. Same car, same parts, same dyno, same day, just a different tune. That's not some small increase..that's HUGE!

The reason I offer up my car is this...I'm not running a single part from FA20Club or from Visconti. I have a Perrin CAI, intake tube, and full header back exhaust. I'm running the Borla UEL and a lightweight crank pulley. The standard mods before going FI and just like John said, and I agree with, the header/tune is the best bang for the buck. My car has quality parts and is set up well. It's not some FI beast at this point that most forum members will never have. It's "attainable" by the masses.

I think that makes it the perfect car for a comparison. I'll throw on an oil cooler before the event and turn over my keys to John and Tony and stand back and watch. If John wins, he doubles his money on a tune and makes a believer out of me. If Tony wins then he proves what I and many others have already seen with our own eyes.

It's a fair contest and I'm the one footing the bill. I'll even pay for the dyno time for as long as each of them need to get it dialed in. Obviously if I'm willing to lay out all this cash I'm doing it for the community and for what this thread is all about...

I don't think anyone can argue with the terms and setup of this being unfair in any way, shape, or form.

Or, to make it more realistic for the majority of members in the community...how bout neither tuner is present with the car. They can both log and tune remotely. Same car, same dyno, same day.