FR-S VS S2000 on the track - Initial D Style
 

At my first lapping day of the year with the FR-S I've made this little battle with this little Honda S2000. In fact he passed me after cupple of laps, my brake pads were faded out so I've pulled over.

Surprisingly the S2000 was WOT in the straight and it was damn equal. Before people ask:

My FR-S mods:
- Perrin Flash
- aFe Intake
- Nameless Overpipe/Front pipe/Axle back
- BC Coilovers
- Hawk HP+ Pads all around
- Hankook RS3 on stock size

Honda S2000
- K&N Intake
- No muffler OEM exhaust system
- SAFC PiggyBack
- Buddy Club Coilovers
- Hawk HP+ Pads all aroudn
- No Softtop (Roll cage installed)
- Dunlop Direzza ZII

So enjoy the video!

http://neverwinterclub.wordpress.com...fr-s-vs-s2000/

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8CBm4zS2Qo"]Never Winter AutoClub - S2000 VS FR-S (The Battle) - YouTube[/ame]

Damn I loved it! Needs the thought monologues between drivers and you would have killed it lol

Loving the glowing rotors on the S2000 under braking :)

Thanks guys :) Was a blast to drive with a S2000 on my ass!

This is 3 and half minutes.
initial d battles are a full 2, 23 minute episodes!
clearly not initial d style..

but cool video!

[edit] /sarcasm

lol, I think you're being a little bit too literal.

I quite enjoyed that...

Wow that was awesome, the music blended pretty well. I loved the hot rotors and sparks under braking from the S2K

Question for you... you said your brake pads got faded... did you both start with brand new hawk brake pads and the S2000 saved the brakes a little better than the FR-S?

the s2k fender angle was used a bit too much. could have worked other angles into the video but i like the premise.

I gotta admit, I was expecting this song:

[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCiDuy4mrWU"]Initial D - Running in The 90s - YouTube[/ame]

:party0030:

In fact, my pads were newer than the S2k! Don't know why they faded that fast!

Well we filmed that quicky. I spend more time enjoying the ride than recording some nice shot. So we stick this GoPro and go on the track!

Was the fluid new as well?

That's a little concerning that its run your brakes down that quickly. The only thing that we would know for sure is if you and your buddy switch cars. Where you drove the s2000 and he drove the fr-s to see if its driver characteristics that's causing the brakes to wear out that quickly.

The reason this is concerning is that the fr-s weighs less. So in theory if all other things are equally proportionate, the fr-s should last longer not wear out faster.

Yeah, ATE Super Blue brake fluid! But when I've switch pads, I've keep my old rotor. Maybe they were glazed. Anyway now they are glazed for sure lol.

that was awesome. s2000 didn't look as poised

Great vid!!

Honestly the production quality exceeds the amount and quality of footage.

I hope you understand that I mean that as a compliment. If you had a few more camera angles and some better footage around clipping points, etc, then this would be an AMAZING video.

Keep up the work, hope I see more stuff by you in the future, you've got a knack for this.

Wow! What a nice compliment ! Thanks a lot man. If you want to browse all the video that I've done trueno86power is my username on youtube and all these video are made by me.

My top 1 video is this one, I've actually win a video contest with it !

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y1q4ckmv47k"]Never Winter AutoClub - Scion FR-S on Sanair Raceway - YouTube[/ame]

Hell yeah man! With a dubstep song like that drifting is almost necessary imo but still a great video. I especially like the intro when the car is all clean.

Keep it up! Now I'm kind of thinking about combining my EDM DJing hobbies with my driving addiction to make some videos. Gotta come up with GoPro funds for that though :P

dammmm! great video mann!! :party0030:

Cool Vid, Thought a S2k would be quicker...:thumbsup:

Me too. I was damn suprise how fast I was able to push the FR-S

fricken epic man
I had a smiliar set up in my s2k but it was never that tail happy lol

Colour me impressed. Nice use of the entire width of the track on corner exits.

"It's all right. I ain't losin'. This fool is running a Honda 2000. I'll win."

Nice vid.

Many "battles" like this come down simply to driver skill.

All I know is when driving in advanced run groups here in NorCal, it's easier for me to pass an FRS in my S2k then it is for me to pass an S2k in my FRS.

Perhaps that will change in time when the FRS is a more developed platform but it doesn't appear to be the case right now.

I love watching the dynamic camber curve in the S2k and the sparks coming off the brakes. That's definitely one of my favorite camera angles. It would have been nice to have a camera on the back of the FRS looking at the S2k.

Couple things about the brake fade, anyone can feel free to correct anything I get wrong. S2000 driver seemed to be braking lately and harder than the FRS. If you are on it longer at each breaking point, having the same pads won't mean you get the same performance. Potential fluid differences perhaps? One should also compare the rotor sizes to compare the initial brake torque between the 86 and S2000, as well as the swept areas. Not to mention spring weights/weight transfer differences. Differences in caliper design, and also brake cooling effects between the two.

Just having the same pad material between to cars won't be able to tell enough about what's really happening.

Can you list your mods to each car?

That S2K looked squirrely at times.

stock to stock with just brake pad and tires, FRS wins easy

Assume vid. Love the camera angle too. You can see the sparks from the brake.

Did you not read this?



Great clip! Nice lines.

of coz its depend on the driver, but if its same driver, I'm sure stock FRS will have a better lap time then a stock S2K because S2K is much harder to control without a wing. Once the s2k has some suspension and GT wings, the FRS won't able to keep up even with the same mod.

Huh? The Griffon project already showed the 86 w/ full aero, suspension, brakes, tires on a stock motor can post a faster time than the NSX and 458 around Tsukuba.

mm.....can you even build one? I was talking about basic mods that us can do to it. the Griffon one has only 2200 lbs and that is almost impossible to do it. I think S2000 with this kinda of mods and weight is able to run that time in Tsukuba or even faster

People have their cars down to around 2500lbs easy w/o using CF, Lexan or other uber exotic bits. The point of the project is to show what the chassis can do w/ the stock motor. Can you buy a race ready body kit for the 86? Yes. Can you buy a rear diffuser? Yes. Aero bits? Yes. Brakes, wheels, tires, etc, etc? Yes.

If you think about it, it's not at all that impossible to get close to most of the parts list on the Griffon. The ASM S2000 was getting around the same times before they started cranking up the power and went even crazier than TRD w/ weight reduction (305hp/2,151lbs) to get 59 seconds at Tsukuba.

http://www.hondatuningmagazine.com/f...0/viewall.html

So I don't think the S2000 necessarily reacts better to upgrades than the 86. Apart from double wishbones and F/R weight distribution, it doesn't really have any other advantages apart from stock power (and less torque). 86 has better CoG, torsional rigidity, base weight. Rest of the dimensions are within 1% of each other except wheelbase.

anyway, It was only my opinion about s2k and 86 and what I see on my local track. although I like how the S2k drives on track, but I still love my 86 and doing great lap time on the track.

S2000 - suspension work, 255 hankook rs3, track pads
FRS - oem suspension, 225 falken 615k, hybrid street track pads

The main difference is suspension and tire width. Do the same mods to my FRS and it will be respectable but I still think it struggles to match the lap times of my s2k.

Recently added aero (wing, splitter) and a stoptech bbk . I expect the gap between the cars to grow significantly. I'll be doing a shake down on sept 27 @ T'hill

Completely disagree!!!!!!

If I had 1 lap to save my life I'd pick the s2000 everytime.