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Agent_365 07-02-2013 11:29 PM

T-Top FR-S?
 
Just want to do a poll, would any of you be willing to cut up your roof in order to have a T-top version of the FR-S with glass removable panels?

Just a random thought. The current roof is totally fine. lol

s0sl0w 07-02-2013 11:35 PM

Do realize how much engineering, wind tunnel time, and extra cost went into/goes into that scalloped roof?

And you want to chop it up for mullet mobile T-Tops...:mad0260:

dem00n 07-02-2013 11:35 PM

Love T-tops, but not for this car. That roof adds to it, a lot.

Kimsey47 07-02-2013 11:36 PM

I say go with the Targa top... Then you can keep the initial design and go topless! WOOT WOOT!

Agent_365 07-02-2013 11:37 PM

I hear you guys on that. Just a random thought. I do like the roof on it already. It would be interesting to see one though.

Agent_365 07-02-2013 11:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by s0sl0w (Post 1041811)
Do realize how much engineering, wind tunnel time, and extra cost went into/goes into that scalloped roof?

And you want to chop it up for mullet mobile T-Tops...:mad0260:

Just a random thought..lol after thinking about it though...most likely not.

Barbarian 07-02-2013 11:48 PM

If it came with a t-top from the factory I would possibly be interested, but I wouldn't be interested in adding one myself.

@Art_Mighty 07-02-2013 11:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barbarian (Post 1041846)
If it came with a t-top from the factory I would possibly be interested, but I wouldn't be interested in adding one myself.

...what he said

1slowbrz 07-02-2013 11:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barbarian (Post 1041846)
If it came with a t-top from the factory I would possibly be interested, but I wouldn't be interested in adding one myself.

Exactly. I'm not going to cut my car up but I would love to have one that has it. It's so rare to find a car that has a removable top anymore. Basically your only option is a Corvette

switchlanez 07-02-2013 11:58 PM

When I had a Celica I wish I had the hardtop (I had the common sunroof) and when I had a MkII MR2 everyone was scrambling to find the ultra rare hardtop (because everyone had the t-top or sunroof options). Main reason is extra weight from glass/materials/reinforcements in the roof raises the center of gravity. Rigidity is also a factor.

Agent_365 07-02-2013 11:58 PM

This is true. If it came from Toyota it would probably have the same molded lines into it.

I'm not a fan of the convertible, this is another reason why this popped into my mind.

Agent_365 07-02-2013 11:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by switchlanez (Post 1041871)
When I had a Celica I wish I had the hardtop (I had the common sunroof) and when I had a MkII MR2 everyone was scrambling to find the ultra rare hardtop (because everyone had the t-top or sunroof options). Main reason is extra weight from glass/materials/reinforcements in the roof raises the center of gravity. Rigidity is also a factor.


True

Mandy 07-03-2013 12:22 AM

I wouldn't do it myself, but I think a Targa would be the best option for the FR-S. Supra style.

5th 86 07-03-2013 12:30 AM

I would rather cut an inch or 2 from the pillars and lower the roof a bit as i do not need all the head room. It would look better to me if the roof line was a bit lower and it would improve the cog. If i had unlimited money and actually cared that much.

wrxgoose 07-03-2013 12:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mandy (Post 1041934)
I wouldn't do it myself, but I think a Targa would be the best option for the FR-S. Supra style.


QFT.

can we get someone to do a photo-chop into a targa or t-top?

marky 07-03-2013 12:42 AM

no t-topless.. but i would LOVE a hatch back trunk style..the back window is part of the trunk just like the integra.. i miss that style on my integ

finch1750 07-03-2013 12:57 AM

targa>t-top>convertable

Targa with a liftback would be totally sick and I would be first in line.

Scraps 07-03-2013 01:06 AM

No T-top but maybe a sunroof would b nice... Just a thought.

m.wood0213 07-03-2013 01:23 AM

sunroof or if the convertible version was just a targa version but no T top

mush 07-03-2013 01:40 AM

if they did targa or t-top from factory i'd pay for it

charged86 07-03-2013 01:43 AM

Targa

ichitaka05 07-03-2013 11:29 AM

I'll just leave this here

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showp...33&postcount=1

FRiSson 07-03-2013 11:58 AM

The car would flex like an old tennis shoe.

strat61caster 07-03-2013 12:56 PM

I'll never understand the fascination people have with hampering structural rigidity, adding weight, and creating a creaky leaky mess out of what was once a performance vehicle.

I've driven convertibles in nice weather, I live in California: meh.

vh_supra26 07-03-2013 01:37 PM

I would love too see a T-Top FR-S.

bugsie 07-03-2013 02:06 PM

Never. Maybe a sunroof.

Dadhawk 07-03-2013 03:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by finch1750 (Post 1041999)
targa>t-top>convertable

Targa with a liftback would be totally sick and I would be first in line.

For me Targa+Louvers+Liftback>targa>hard top>t-top>wrecked>convertible

B L U E S L A T E 07-03-2013 03:27 PM

I'm all for it.... as long as it doesn't mess with structural rigidity... or at least it has enough braces and chassis mods to make up for it.

But yeah... I do love targa tops...

supragoods 07-03-2013 03:30 PM

targa
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dadhawk (Post 1043194)
For me Targa+Louvers+Liftback>targa>hard top>t-top>wrecked>convertible

srry bro i been wait in that line before they released car
if /when the release the convertibe dont be surprised if you see one

f0rge 07-03-2013 03:35 PM

Liftback targa or nothing.

Razz 07-03-2013 03:38 PM

I would like to have one from the factory.

s0sl0w 07-03-2013 03:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by m.wood0213 (Post 1042039)
sunroof or if the convertible version was just a targa version but no T top

Quote:

Originally Posted by bugsie (Post 1042978)
Never. Maybe a sunroof.

A sunroof goes against the whole engineering mantra and design philosophy of the car.

I think a lot of people completely miss the point of the twins. These cars are all about doing the most with the least. Have you noticed that when open the hood there's no metal fenderwells? That the roof, hood and fenders are paper thin? That even the glass is thin? That everything about this car was done from the ground to make something that was inexpensive but brilliant?

There's not a car out there that posses the same fanatical engineering philosophy within 30K of it's price point. The next closest thing really is a Porsche Cayman. There is a reason that people with exotics respect these cars despite the price and "lack of power". There is a reason that these cars have grabbed the worlds attention. Because such a pure, dedicated car hasn't existed at this price point in a VERY long time.

Theses are enthusiasts cars, engineers cars. Cars for people who get "it" These cars are the 240Z's of 40 years from now. They inspire because they were inspired.

Please take your request for added garbage like sunroofs, convertibles, T-Tops, Targas, etc and buy a Camaro, Mustang, 35/70Z, Corvette or any number of other cars that manage to do a good bit with a lot. I'd prefer my car to keep doing a lot with the least. That's amazing, that's engineering, and that's what legends are made of.

finch1750 07-03-2013 04:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dadhawk (Post 1043194)
For me Targa+Louvers+Liftback>targa>hard top>t-top>wrecked>convertible

Hahaha. And yes. Louvers. Definitely louvers.

Forty 07-03-2013 04:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by s0sl0w (Post 1043243)
A sunroof goes against the whole engineering mantra and design philosophy of the car.

I think a lot of people completely miss the point of the twins. These cars are all about doing the most with the least. Have you noticed that when open the hood there's no metal fenderwells? That the roof, hood and fenders are paper thin? That even the glass is thin? That everything about this car was done from the ground to make something that was inexpensive but brilliant?

There's not a car out there that posses the same fanatical engineering philosophy within 30K of it's price point. The next closest thing really is a Porsche Cayman. There is a reason that people with exotics respect these cars despite the price and "lack of power". There is a reason that these cars have grabbed the worlds attention. Because such a pure, dedicated car hasn't existed at this price point in a VERY long time.

Theses are enthusiasts cars, engineers cars. Cars for people who get "it" These cars are the 240Z's of 40 years from now. They inspire because they were inspired.

Please take your request for added garbage like sunroofs, convertibles, T-Tops, Targas, etc and buy a Camaro, Mustang, 35/70Z, Corvette or any number of other cars that manage to do a good bit with a lot. I'd prefer my car to keep doing a lot with the least. That's amazing, that's engineering, and that's what legends are made of.


This thread can be locked now.

bugsie 07-03-2013 04:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by s0sl0w (Post 1043243)
A sunroof goes against the whole engineering mantra and design philosophy of the car.

I think a lot of people completely miss the point of the twins. These cars are all about doing the most with the least. Have you noticed that when open the hood there's no metal fenderwells? That the roof, hood and fenders are paper thin? That even the glass is thin? That everything about this car was done from the ground to make something that was inexpensive but brilliant?

There's not a car out there that posses the same fanatical engineering philosophy within 30K of it's price point. The next closest thing really is a Porsche Cayman. There is a reason that people with exotics respect these cars despite the price and "lack of power". There is a reason that these cars have grabbed the worlds attention. Because such a pure, dedicated car hasn't existed at this price point in a VERY long time.

Theses are enthusiasts cars, engineers cars. Cars for people who get "it" These cars are the 240Z's of 40 years from now. They inspire because they were inspired.

Please take your request for added garbage like sunroofs, convertibles, T-Tops, Targas, etc and buy a Camaro, Mustang, 35/70Z, Corvette or any number of other cars that manage to do a good bit with a lot. I'd prefer my car to keep doing a lot with the least. That's amazing, that's engineering, and that's what legends are made of.

While it's true that this car has the potential to be a collector's car in the future, you cannot deny the fact that this car is designed to be a tuner's car. I understand that you might be a purist when it comes to the 86, but the reality is that people will modify it like crazy and I will not be surprised if I see these mods in the future.

And btw, I don't believe this car is for people who get 'it', there's no such thing. I get that owning an 86 feeds the ego of some people and I think that's completely BS. At the end of the day, this is just a car, people can afford it, that doesn't make owners "people who get it".

P.S. Don't be too serious, the OP just wants a fun discussion.

s0sl0w 07-03-2013 04:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bugsie (Post 1043370)
While it's true that this car has the potential to be a collector's car in the future, you cannot deny the fact that this car is designed to be a tuner's car. I understand that you might be a purist when it comes to the 86, but the reality is that people will modify it like crazy and I will not be surprised if I see these mods in the future.

And btw, I don't believe this car is for people who get 'it', there's no such thing. I get that owning an 86 feeds the ego of some people and I think that's completely BS. At the end of the day, this is just a car, people can afford it, that doesn't make owners "people who get it".

P.S. Don't be too serious, the OP just wants a fun discussion.

What, exactly, do you mean when you say "tuner's car"? Do you mean designed with much potential? If that's what you mean then yes, I agree completely, Subaru even admits that they designed this car specifically focusing on the areas that were impossibly/very difficult to improve upon by the aftermarket.

If you mean that they designed the car to chopped up, screwed with and ruined... no I don't agree. They may have realized that would happen but it wasn't the intent.

I do not believe many owners get it, in fact I believe most don't, what I mean when I say that is that if you get it you understand why there's no sunroof, etc.

Honestly if you don't understand why this car is the way it is then there's really no reason to buy beyond the looks. And many here have bought the car and have sold or want to sell because they've realized it's not what they want. There are plenty of ~$25K that are more powerful, quicker, have more space and are more economical to operate. There is no good reason to buy the twins unless you appreciate what it truly is which is a lot more than a pretty face or a "sports car".

Also: I'm a Mechanical Engineering student.... so yeah, my opinions come from a slightly different perspective than the average joe perhaps. I didn't buy the BRZ for an ego boost, I bought because it's the first car I've felt truly passionate about (that I can afford) since my 1999 Subaru Impreza 2.5RS.

strat61caster 07-03-2013 06:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by s0sl0w (Post 1043243)
Please take your request for added garbage like sunroofs, convertibles, T-Tops, Targas, etc and buy a Camaro, Mustang, 35/70Z, Corvette or any number of other cars that manage to do a good bit with a lot. I'd prefer my car to keep doing a lot with the least. That's amazing, that's engineering, and that's what legends are made of.

Most performance cars these days are hammers. You can change a lot of things about a hammer and it still does the job very well, it satisfies a lot of requirements and gets the job done in an awe inspiring fashion.

The 86 is closer to a scalpel (along with cars like the S2000, Cayman/Boxster, and to a lesser extent Miata, which is probably comparable to a pocket knife in my long winded self serving analogy that only soslow will appreciate). Kind of specialized, not as spectacular as a hammer and nowhere near as versatile but very good at certain things. When you add a bunch of stuff to your scalpel, it morphs into something that isn't quite a scalpel, you may have made yourself something that is truly one of a kind and satisfies many many people (especially those who compare scalpels to hammers) but it isn't quite a scalpel anymore and that makes some people sad.

Sure mawd it all day long, drop it, lower it, strip it, put a bird on it! Cut holes in it! I don't care as long as someone is still selling scalpels I'll be happy.

Relevant links:

http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__...ife-Wrench.jpg

https://www.lensrentals.com/blog/201...ammerforum-com

s0sl0w 07-03-2013 06:50 PM

Exactly, Seeing car like that gives me a sad. I will always discourage people from doing things like that to their car.

And I sure as shit don't want to see the manufacturer turn my scalpel into a shitty pocketknife.

FRS_Sovereign 07-03-2013 07:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by s0sl0w (Post 1043413)

Also: I'm a Mechanical Engineering student.... so yeah, my opinions come from a slightly different perspective than the average joe perhaps. I didn't buy the BRZ for an ego boost, I bought because it's the first car I've felt truly passionate about (that I can afford) since my 1999 Subaru Impreza 2.5RS.

Yea but to give your opinion and tell everyone else that they ruined the car. Make you sound like you need to put down others to get your point heard which is textbook narcissism, Most of us here are technical otherwise we wouldn't have looked up and join this forum. Just saying. ALL LOVE :happy0180:


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