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Cyau 07-02-2013 12:24 AM

Any other car was a collaboration??
 
Random though pop in my head.

Just wondering have there ever been a car like the twins that is a collaboration between two or more companies, and BOTH of the company produced the same car.

I know there are many collaborations, one on top of my head was the Lotus that used a Celica engine from Toyota, but Toyota did't have that exact same car.

Soooo any?

spdfreak 07-02-2013 12:30 AM

Only one that pops into my head is the Saabaru.

...still not quite a collab

BadMoon 07-02-2013 12:30 AM

The Eclipse and the Talon. The Firebird and Trans Am.

supra2nv 07-02-2013 12:32 AM

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supra2nv 07-02-2013 12:33 AM

technically, lotus uses a Yamaha engine, just as the celica did;) there is another collaboration for you...

Luis_GT 07-02-2013 12:35 AM

The Taurus SHO, which housed a Yamaha engine

supra2nv 07-02-2013 12:38 AM

collaboration between tesla and incumbents?

Luis_GT 07-02-2013 12:39 AM

Aston Martin and Ford... for those that remember the DB7 had cheap ford window buttons...

supra2nv 07-02-2013 12:40 AM

lotus elan had an Isuzu engine in it...lotus and Isuzu have had some history I know, the impulse was "lotus tuned suspension" I remember as well..

Luis_GT 07-02-2013 12:43 AM

Oh God... I forgot just how ugly the DB7 interior was... that dash screams ford design...

http://www.beanoboys.com/db7/images/...1_interior.jpg

Thank God Aston Martin is by itself again...

kajun 07-02-2013 12:44 AM

Don't use sharing parts as an example of a "collaboration", that's something that happens across way more cars than you'd believe.

I get what the original post is talking about - there's a few examples around, not so many these days as there were back in the 80s and 90s when there was a lot more of this stuff going around. Ford & Mazda had this kind of arrangement, but now it seems to have dialled back to the Mazda BT-50/Ford Ranger (the Ranger isn't sold in the US or Canada.)

spdfreak 07-02-2013 12:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kajun (Post 1039207)
Don't use sharing parts as an example of a "collaboration", that's something that happens across way more cars than you'd believe.

I get what the original post is talking about - there's a few examples around, not so many these days as there were back in the 80s and 90s when there was a lot more of this stuff going around. Ford & Mazda had this kind of arrangement, but now it seems to have dialled back to the Mazda BT-50/Ford Ranger (the Ranger isn't sold in the US or Canada.)

Right. My speed6 had FoMoCo stamped on the brakes along with various other parts. Happens a whole lot. Real collaborations are much less common.

Luis_GT 07-02-2013 12:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kajun (Post 1039207)
Don't use sharing parts as an example of a "collaboration", that's something that happens across way more cars than you'd believe.

I get what the original post is talking about - there's a few examples around, not so many these days as there were back in the 80s and 90s when there was a lot more of this stuff going around. Ford & Mazda had this kind of arrangement, but now it seems to have dialled back to the Mazda BT-50/Ford Ranger (the Ranger isn't sold in the US or Canada.)



We could also say that badge engineered doesn't count either... like the Talon and Eclipse.

Cyau 07-02-2013 12:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kajun (Post 1039207)
Don't use sharing parts as an example of a "collaboration", that's something that happens across way more cars than you'd believe.

I get what the original post is talking about - there's a few examples around, not so many these days as there were back in the 80s and 90s when there was a lot more of this stuff going around. Ford & Mazda had this kind of arrangement, but now it seems to have dialled back to the Mazda BT-50/Ford Ranger (the Ranger isn't sold in the US or Canada.)

Yes, seems like people almost started to drift away from my original question.

Cyau 07-02-2013 12:54 AM

omg that thing has a full range equalizer in it? lol

Luis_GT 07-02-2013 12:55 AM

The bt-50 and ford ranger are badge engineered as well... same as the Ford Escape and Mazda Tribute...

supra2nv 07-02-2013 12:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Cyau (Post 1039243)
omg that thing has a full range equalizer in it? lol

everyone gets a kick outa that lol

Basket Case 07-02-2013 01:04 AM

Dodge stealth and Mitsubishi 3000gt.

FRSHunter 07-02-2013 01:08 AM

Toyota Matrix and Pontiac Vibe

Cyau 07-02-2013 01:19 AM

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Originally Posted by FRSHunter (Post 1039270)
Toyota Matrix and Pontiac Vibe

Interestingly it's known as Toyota Voltz in JDM, as expected the sales was horrible...

zaptorque 07-02-2013 01:47 AM

dodge dart and the alfa giulietta? kinda?

Cyau 07-02-2013 01:54 AM

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Originally Posted by zaptorque (Post 1039346)
dodge dart and the alfa giulietta? kinda?

The last time I remembered seeing the commercial of the Dodge Dart is that Dodge is claiming it is "designed from the ground up, being unique and not copying anyone else"

supra2nv 07-02-2013 01:58 AM

DMC used a Volvo engine?

zaptorque 07-02-2013 02:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cyau (Post 1039359)
The last time I remembered seeing the commercial of the Dodge Dart is that Dodge is claiming it is "designed from the ground up, being unique and not copying anyone else"

Well it was built from the ground up.....just not by Dodge's engineers :lol:

jkr 07-02-2013 02:17 AM

SLR McLaren !
and I guess Pagani uses engines built by AMG...

michaelosx 07-02-2013 02:20 AM

How about the Geo Prism/Toyota Sprinter/Corolla?

DIM 07-02-2013 02:27 AM

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Originally Posted by BadMoon (Post 1039159)
The Eclipse and the Talon.

They were actually triplets, don't forget about the Plymouth Laser.

kajun 07-02-2013 02:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zaptorque (Post 1039346)
dodge dart and the alfa giulietta? kinda?

There's a difference in the size though - the Dart is on an extended version of the Giulietta, which in turn is basically the Fiat Group compact platform.

kajun 07-02-2013 02:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Luis_GT (Post 1039250)
The bt-50 and ford ranger are badge engineered as well...

Given that I know people on the team that developed the Ford Ranger, it's not "badge engineered" as you say. Mazda & Ford co-developed it.

fatoni 07-02-2013 02:41 AM

im surprised there hasnt been a skystice mention considering its probably the most recent and in the same category as the twins.

finch1750 07-02-2013 02:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Luis_GT (Post 1039221)
We could also say that badge engineered doesn't count either... like the Talon and Eclipse.

And Plymoth Laser

OVR_RUN 07-02-2013 04:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FRSHunter (Post 1039270)
Toyota Matrix and Pontiac Vibe

man you beat me to it.

I own a Vibe. Yes it was also the Voltz in Japan and only lasted from 03-04, but where as in the states the sales didnt start to slide until the 07-08 model year since GM and Toyota cut out the GT(6spd Manual with the 2jz VVTL-i) and AWD models. both got a redesign in 09. Vibe only lasted until late 09 with the 2010 models and the Matrix lasted until the end of this year. Both were designed by GM but built by Toyota Exact same inside and mostly out with the exception of the rear hatch and rear Quarter areas. Front sheet metal was different but structure remained the same, drive train, engine, chassis, and interior were all identical.

Sasquachulator 07-02-2013 04:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fatoni (Post 1039456)
im surprised there hasnt been a skystice mention considering its probably the most recent and in the same category as the twins.

Its still somewhat of a reskin of each other, since Saturn and Pontiac are both GM product (they reskin everything to death with every brand they have). Toyota and Subaru are completely separate entities.

-The Saab 9-2X is a rebadged impreza
-The Talon/Eclipse/Laser triplets were rebadges/reskins of each other
-Anything made in the NUMMI plant (Corollas/Prisms and Vibe/Matrix) were just reskins of mostly Toyota product. But GM and Toyota shared the plant.
-Uplander/Montana/Outlook/whatever pos GM minivans they had were rebadges.

I suppose Aston Martin Cygnet and Scion/Toyota IQ might fit the mold of collab, but its more or less Aston Martin luxofying an IQ.

I think another actual one but not really was a Lotus Elise and a Vauxhall VX220 or whatever it was called. Basically GM took a Lotus Elise and put their own motor and skin on it.

Then along time ago there was the Chrysler Lebaron and the Maserati TC. But that was pretty much the same thing as the IQ and Cygnet (Maserati Luxofied a Lebaron)

I actually don't think theres been any real collabs in recent years that are not just reskins of each other.

come to think of it, maybe the Vibe/Matrix is the only real one. But how much input did GM have on those?

OVR_RUN 07-02-2013 04:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sasquachulator (Post 1039547)
Its still somewhat of a reskin of each other, since Saturn and Pontiac are both GM product (they reskin everything to death with every brand they have). Toyota and Subaru are completely separate entities.

-The Saab 9-2X is a rebadged impreza
-The Talon/Eclipse/Laser triplets were rebadges/reskins of each other
-Anything made in the NUMMI plant (Corollas/Prisms and Vibe/Matrix) were just reskins of mostly Toyota product. But GM and Toyota shared the plant.
-Uplander/Montana/Outlook/whatever pos GM minivans they had were rebadges.

I suppose Aston Martin Cygnet and Scion/Toyota IQ might fit the mold of collab, but its more or less Aston Martin luxofying an IQ.

I think another actual one but not really was a Lotus Elise and a Vauxhall VX220 or whatever it was called. Basically GM took a Lotus Elise and put their own motor and skin on it.

Then along time ago there was the Chrysler Lebaron and the Maserati TC. But that was pretty much the same thing as the IQ and Cygnet (Maserati Luxofied a Lebaron)

I actually don't think theres been any real collabs in recent years that are not just reskins of each other.

come to think of it, maybe the Vibe/Matrix is the only real one. But how much input did GM have on those?

i do believe that the vibe/matrix is a true collaboration

i believe GM did the Same as subaru, let one design the car and the other supply the chassis parts and assembly

ZC6BRZ 07-02-2013 04:18 AM

There are a lot of badge engineered cars that aren't really collabs on this thread.

The DSM triplets are the best example. Mitsu under the skin, Chrysler designed skin.
I don't know if it's quite the collab, but the Chrysler/Diamler cars would probably fit that category for this thread.

The Ford Probe/Mazda MX6, the Mazda MPV/Windstar, the Chrysler/Hyundai/Mitsubishi world engine was a collab.

Interesting badge engineered car: Toyota Cavalier. Yes, that Cavalier.

ZC6BRZ 07-02-2013 04:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sasquachulator (Post 1039547)
-The Talon/Eclipse/Laser triplets were rebadges/reskins of each other

They weren't. The chassis was developed by MMC off the e39 Galant. Chrysler designed the exterior/interior.

ft_sjo 07-02-2013 04:23 AM

Ford Fiesta vs Mazda 121

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...r_20070926.jpg

http://img1.hyperinzerce.cz/x-cz/inz...-25-16-v-1.jpg



This thread should only be about near identical vehicles, preferably demonstrated with photographs.

gvan1998 07-02-2013 12:13 PM

I bet no one guessed this.
Nissan quest and mercury villager.

I forgot what year lotus but i inow they used integra type r engine.

Accurate Race Shop 07-02-2013 12:21 PM

I didn't see this one yet but thanks to the new partnership the Chevy silverado has a nissan motor. I guess GM bought part of Nissan and they are now able to use any motor in their line up. I have seen the nissan stamp on a silverado engine but I don't know the details I heard about it from some friends that still work for GM.

Sent from my Q10

Wo6M 07-02-2013 12:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cyau (Post 1039237)
Yes, seems like people almost started to drift away from my original question.

Mitsubishi Starion / Chrysler Conquest
Mitsubishi Talon/ Plymouth Laser

These two I know off the top of my head


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