why i didnt buy a brz
 

everytime someone sees my car they complement it , and ask the inevitable question," whats the difference between this and a brz?" which is sometimes soon followed by " why didnt you get a brz" . lets start this off right , i am not bashing the brz, i love that car . the headlights are nicer than the frs' to me and the digital climate control and push start button are just sexyy. if i was a at a dealer again and there was a brz limited and a frs next to eachother, i think i would choose the brz , except for one glaring difference that alot of people choose to ignore since most are leasing or financing there car , the price. i picked up my frs for 25 and change and it was 27 with taxes. very reasonable for the type of car im buying . the brz premium starts at the same price as the frs, and you get all the same features, nothing fancy. then the limited which comes with the foggys push start and digital climate control( the features i like the most on the car) starts at 27,495 and after you add that stuff its closer to 30,000. i know some people got really good deals on their car but im just going by the number that are given by subaru and scion. Now personally , if i am going to spend 30,000 grand on a car , i would be going a different route either than the frs/brz. the thing that attracts me most about the car is what you get for that cheap price. thats the reason i bought it , i was saving for a long time and had an opportunity to buy this car cash and i took it , opting out of financing a more expensive car that i knew i was not going to get much use out of it besides the occasional autox , or touge lol . sometime you will hear " this car is what everyone was asking for in the 90's" . that isnt necessarily a bad thing , at least to me. i love old cars , i love bare bones, nothing fancy , just get in it and drive and put a smile on your face cars. and if you are on the fence about which twin you want to by, i hope this kinda helps you



i love my frs

I also like the BRZ a bit more but considering the price is a few thousand more (I'm in Canada) and the financing is higher, I chose the FRS. I couldn't justify spending considerably more for the BRZ for things that aren't performance related.

Not saying you didn't do any haggling but took me an afternoon of sending mass emails to dealers to compete with price to get me a limited at 27,500 otd. I was planning to get an FRS also but after seeing guys here get such great prices for all the extras, I said why not at least try to haggle because it will be cheaper to get all the options included rather than get the FRS and mod it at that price point.

I have the premium brz. I really wanted the limited because of heated seats and fogs. push button would be cool, but not a selling factor. and the dual climate I dont care about. I was sold on a red frs with trd exhaust with spoiler. Was gunna go buy it after work, but got a call saying a premium wrb just arrived with fogs and spoiler and i got it cheaper than a scion. so that was that and now I have my 3rd blue car... kind of wanted that cherry bright red frs, but I saved money and thats that:w00t:

if it wasent for the 10 series, i would of bought a limited brz
the 10 series comes with what i wanted in the limited brz: HID/LED, smart key, push start, auto climate control
+ i get a unique color

Not seeing $30K BRZ Limited's where I live. If you are talking manual's here then BRZ Limited's can be found for $27,300 or so and that includes the homelink mirror.

In my area it looks like there is about a $2200 price difference between an FR-S with no options and a BRZ Limited with the homelink mirror.

The BRZ Premiums in my area are not much more than the Limited's because you cannot find one without a bunch of add-ons. I think they are going for high $26's.

thumbs up , for all the great deals im hearing . i did some shopping but didnt get the prices i was looking for .

I still say the brz is the better buy. Why didn't I buy one?

Cause if I got one, I would have gone for the limited. Not to mention 90% of what the brz has over the frs would get ripped out eventually (seats, stereo etc etc)

Once I have my track car fun out of the way, I could see myself looking at a brz sti-whenever they come out (depending on the specs)

...but that's a whole different subject lol

definitely agree tyler^^. i would love to have heated seats and all that jazz, but for what im doing with this car , theres just no need for it . i like the frs interior also , dont get me wrong. but i think i leaning into the whole gutted / cage scene lol

Why I didn't buy a BRZ:

I needed a car quickly (I felt that my old car was about to due on me every morning going into work) and the only BRZ I could find in the area with MT was red (I can't stand red cars). I could have driven 500 miles for one that I liked, but that's 1000 miles and no guarantee of leaving with a car due to price.

I was actually going to purchase a BRZ. I arrived at a Subaru dealer to place a pre-order. Mind you, this was May 2013, and I had yet to see a single 86 in town. Anyhow, the dealer told me that a $1,000 non refundable deposit was required, and no test drives! I left feeling a little down and about a week later, ventured to a Toyota dealer on a whim. They had the first FR-S in town. A firestorm, which was waiting for it's owner to pick up. They let me sit in it and asked if I'd like to order one. Their terms were, $500 REfundable deposit and test drives are A-OK!! Needless to say, the only BRZ envy I have are the HID's.

i got the $1000 college grad discount with scion. so it was a no brainer for me. cost and availability was a factor in my purchase.

^ that was another reason. I got $1,000 military discount from scion. Scion is 3 miles away. Subaru is 85 miles away.
Black MT FRS readily available. WRB BRZ wasn't.

Too many reasons to make the FRS the better buy for me.

Cost can have a surprising swing

I bought mine in the northeast and shipped it over (Limited BRZ). no haggling, I bought my Limited BRZ OTD for under 27K. Maybe if in the haggling mood, I could've gotten it to under 26K

Went to look at one with a buddy last week, OTD prices were topping 30K and one guy was asking close to 32K. In these cases, I can definitely see why going with the FRS is smarter

There are times where I catch myself wondering if I should've gone for the FRS just because it's more basic. I'm not a big fan of the nav unit and while the digital HVAC controls are spiffy, sometimes the good ole basics are the best. (I realize there are some more small differences but those are the big 2 I notice)

But at the price I got the Subaru at, never bothered cross shopping further

It's the same f*cking car for the most part. These threads are getting old. Everyone has their reasons for buying the car they wanted. I bet 99% of us picked the car, not swindled into a car they regret.

Same experience here. The Subaru deal sucked.

Why does everyone feel the need to justify their purchase of an FRS over a BRZ? I got my FRS because I liked Hot Lava the best, and as someone said before me, Subaru is pretty far away and would have been inconvenient for maintenance. Who cares what anyone else thinks? Its your car and your money.

Because toyota has never denied me a warranty on any of my toyotas. And it subie likes to more it seemed. And now it seems that subie is supporting my idea. :)

another dumb thread. end it already before it implodes and causes unnecessary drama.

I didn't need to justify anything with my choice of a FR-S over BRZ, mainly because I had an original '05 tC and loved the Scion brand.

There were really only 2 things about the BRZ that I absolutely hated... the price, and that soft "Grand Tourer" style front end look. Now, that being said, i'd still buy one if the FR-S didn't exist... it's all personal preference anyways which brings me to this point:

ENJOY WHAT YOU PURCHASED AND LEAVE THE TWINS DEBATE TO THOSE WHO DO NOT HAVE ONE!!!

Seriously, enough is enough around here...

All of the parts like push start and digital climate control can be put on a FR-S from a BRZ.

It's called buying the parts cheap from a salvage company.;)

I love my BRZ. I also love your FR-S's. It's alllll goooood, mannnnn

Please stop with these threads. You're ripping our family apart :cry:

The sole reason I bought a BRZ was because I didn't want to be an FR-S owner with an inferiority complex.

Kidding!:thumbup:

But seriously, these types of threads are dumb and annoying.

I bought the fr-s with trunk mat and be-spoke for 25.4 out the door.

No brz deal was going to touch that in my area. In fact BRZ at most dealership was a wait list unless you wanted a auto tranny (which defeats the purpose of the car for me).

I like the FR-S bumper styling better, the 86 badges on it, and the suspension better anyways.

LOLZ...I don't think a vast majority of FR-S deals can come close to that pricing either when msrp is $25,255 to begin with. False equivalence?:iono:

Congrats on your deal though!

I wanted the frs but after sitting in both the BRZ is a lot nicer, plus when I was ready to buy it was all I could find. And for some reason the insurance was cheaper for the BRZ than the FRS.

That was a great deal. Something tells me the dealer made a mistake in the paperwork and forgot to add the Bespoke to the cost.

It seems like there are a few states that suck for buying a Subaru and Texas is one of them. It would be much cheaper to buy out of state and have it shipped.

Fuck that.

Am I the only one who would have bought an FRS regardless of price difference?

I hate navigation systems
I hate touch screens
I hate HID's
I hate leather
And I have no need for heated everything or "homelink mirrors" or whatever.

And stay off my lawn.

inb4 toyota master race, I couldn't care less. If the BRZ was spec'd like the FRS and the GT86 was sold here spec'd like the BRZ I would have bought a BRZ. (Well the Subaru dealers probably would have put a damper on it, but I would have went out of state)

Just out of curiosity, why do you hate HIDs? I can think of reasons for all of the others, but not that one.

Blue isn't better for increasing vision during night:
http://www.danielsternlighting.com/t...dvantages.html
Edit: this was the first thing I found when I googled HID and visibility keywords, I can dig up more if you like.

So it's just cranking up the brightness, which annoys the hell out of me, I do a lot of night time driving and all of my vehicles are relatively low. Every time I drive a car with HID's I feel like my high beams are on all the time except for the cutoff bit, if I need to see extra distance I use the high beams, that's what they're for. I feel better with halogens because they don't annoy other drivers and allow me to see well.

Factor in the initial cost difference and it's a no brainer for me.

You can talk about how if they're set up properly and balast yada yada, I don't like the trend (fucking tesla's look great until they're tailgating you at midnight) and I hope it goes away. I'm not going to tell everyone to die in a fire for using them, I just don't like them and I put my money where my mouth is.

:happy0180:

For me it wasn't the base price that threw me off. It was the 5.9% interest vs the 2.9% interest that Toyota had.

400 dollar a month payments vs 500 essentially.

To be fair, improperly set up halogen lights (using those 6000K+ xenon's) are just as bad.

I wish these people would read the science behind it and realize that just because it LOOKS brighter doesn't mean you can see any more.

FR-S - what's that??
BRZ - what's that??
I bought the "real deal" - a genuine Toyota!!
The only 86 that's actually called "86"

Cool down - just joking - LOL. :happyanim:

Being a 2x Scoobie owner (still got both of them), I actually wanted a BRZ, but they've only just been released in South Africa recently, and there's no way I was gonna wait.

Also the BRZ is a lot more expensive over here. Sure, it's higher spec with a longer warranty and maintenance plan, but not to that extent.

No regrets. And if I had a BRZ or FR-S (which we don't get here), I'd also have no regrets. Comme ci, comme ça, whatever... :thumbup:

Brilliant car, in any of it's many guises.

No need for more info, I'm done a fair share of researching automotive lighting, and Daniel Stern is pretty much the go-to when people want a source of "how come the HID kit in my 95 Civic is blinding everyone?" I absolutely loved the HID setup on my MKV GTI. I did a lot of night driving when I owned it, out in the countryside where I had no street lights and there were deer everywhere, but enough traffic that I couldn't run highs all the time. But yes, it's very much a matter of getting the beam pattern correct with no or minimal hot spots, and the drop-in kits that really are just "cranking up the brighness" annoy me.

I don't see them going away though. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if they eventually became the standard with LED being the step up. Or maybe LED becoming standard, who knows? Not just for safety's sake, but efficiency as well.