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Oriental Life 03-06-2012 12:45 AM
Dealers Fairy Tales - No BS! :)
 
Would it be useful to start collecting dealers stories and 'secrets' passed onto 'forumnites' at pre-orders and actual negotiations? How far will they go trying to get your business? :)

No BS - just what dealers told you 'word by word'. So far I have 4 great ones for you!

Myth #1

Subaru GT300 STi was downgraded by aprox 70 bhp to stay within GT300 competition and NOT to become absolute dominator in the class. No BS! :) Dealer saw secret video!

Myth #2

I've been offered to pre-order my BRZ out of THREE trims: Standard, Premium and Limited! No BS! :) I should have pre-ordered Standard just for fun of it.

Myth #3

Don't tell this to anyone! :) Subaru will release the entire lineup of BRZs: BRZ Standard (as we know it today), BRZ WRX, BRZ WRX STi by 2015-2016. No BS!

Myth #4

There will be only 1,000 BRZs for US market (not 5,000, 3,500 or 3,000) for 2012 production year. No BS! We expected more, but lucky to get 1,000!

Enjoy.

tranzformer 03-06-2012 12:50 AM
Actually there is some truth to the rumor that the new ('14/'15?) WRX/STI will be based off the BRZ platform. Suppose to go smaller and lighter.

Oriental Life 03-06-2012 12:51 AM
Every fairy tale have some truth to it. Collection of those will be fun to read lets say a year from now :)

What else have you been told 'in private'?

MF_DEUCE 03-06-2012 01:23 AM
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Originally Posted by tranzformer (Post 149779)
Actually there is some truth to the rumor that the new ('14/'15?) WRX/STI will be based off the BRZ platform. Suppose to go smaller and lighter.
heard something along those lines. Something about a possible 2 door wrx sti. But not sure how legitimate the source was.

tranzformer 03-06-2012 01:27 AM
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Originally Posted by MF_DEUCE (Post 149806)
heard something along those lines. Something about a possible 2 door wrx sti. But not sure how legitimate the source was.
Yeah possible 2 door coupe and even a 3 door hatch for what I have heard. They are still in the design stage so probably won't get more info until later in the year when maybe a mule is spotted?

OrbitalEllipses 03-06-2012 01:34 AM
3 door STI would be hot. I'd sell the BRZ for that.

Lighting Red 03-06-2012 01:02 PM
You guys weren't cheap-asses, and ordered the Gunma Plant delivery option, right? It was only $1500.00 and included freight back to the US in a padded container ship! It also pays for a week's worth of hotel vouchers as you tour Japan in a JDM spec car while Subaru puts the finishing touches on your car.

Oriental Life 03-06-2012 01:17 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lighting Red (Post 150064)
You guys weren't cheap-asses, and ordered the Gunma Plant delivery option, right? It was only $1500.00 and included freight back to the US in a padded container ship! It also pays for a week's worth of hotel vouchers as you tour Japan in a JDM spec car while Subaru puts the finishing touches on your car.
No BS! :bellyroll:

gdi2290 03-06-2012 01:34 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lighting Red (Post 150064)
You guys weren't cheap-asses, and ordered the Gunma Plant delivery option, right? It was only $1500.00 and included freight back to the US in a padded container ship! It also pays for a week's worth of hotel vouchers as you tour Japan in a JDM spec car while Subaru puts the finishing touches on your car.
Lolol I would pay for that

tripjammer 03-06-2012 03:20 PM
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Originally Posted by tranzformer (Post 149810)
Yeah possible 2 door coupe and even a 3 door hatch for what I have heard. They are still in the design stage so probably won't get more info until later in the year when maybe a mule is spotted?

I think they are beyond the design stage. These cars are coming out in less than a year. But if it's really going to 2014/15 model year for the next WRX\STI then yeah nothing is finalized yet. I really hope there is a coupe. A poor mans GTR!

tranzformer 03-06-2012 04:23 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by tripjammer (Post 150207)
I think they are beyond the design stage. These cars are coming out in less than a year. But if it's really going to 2014/15 model year for the next WRX\STI then yeah nothing is finalized yet. I really hope there is a coupe. A poor mans GTR!
They are not past the design stage. Subaru delegates were meeting in Japan just last week to decide if they would keep the same rally DNA as before or try to take on BMW M/MB AMG with the new car. So no, they are not beyond the design stage.

Quote:
Subaru is currently plotting the future of the next-generation WRX STI. Company delegates from various world markets are currently headed to Japan to decide whether the rally bruiser will continue to be a hardcore racer straight from the factory or if it will head in a new, somewhat posher direction. According to GoAuto.com (and previous reports), the new STI will be significantly different from the base Impreza and WRX, and that difference may translate into a more upscale performance model. Think something along the lines of a BMW M or a Mercedes-Benz AMG machine.

Regardless of which direction the model takes, odds are we can expect to see a turbocharged version of the new 2.0-liter dual-overhead cam boxer four-cylinder currently found in the Forester. Nick Senior, Subaru Australia Managing Director, has been quoted as saying the engine is compatible with forced inductions, countering earlier reports.

While Senior says he hopes the STI will continue to be a rally thoroughbred, his vote only counts for so much. Australia is the fourth-largest Subaru market behind the U.S., Japan and China.


http://i.autoblog.com/2012/02/28/big...wrx-this-week/



Earliest we will see it is end of calendar year '13 as a '14 model (18 months from now) or possibly Spring/Summer of '14 as a '15 model if things get delayed/take longer than expected.

Alias 03-06-2012 05:40 PM
Yeah, I remember reading that article about them considering trying to take on the M with a posher subaru. I'll be sorely disappointed if they do, if they want a performance luxury subaru why don't they work on the performance of the 3.6 Legacy?

powertrip 03-06-2012 10:14 PM
I heard back on one today, according to them there will be only 600 made for the US market...

Gotta love their spin on the facts.

tylertyme 03-09-2012 05:37 PM
I hope I am one of the 1,000 ....I ordered on 3/2/12


Quote:
Originally Posted by Oriental Life (Post 149778)
Would it be useful to start collecting dealers stories and 'secrets' passed onto 'forumnites' at pre-orders and actual negotiations? How far will they go trying to get your business? :)

No BS - just what dealers told you 'word by word'. So far I have 4 great ones for you!

Myth #1

Subaru GT300 STi was downgraded by aprox 70 bhp to stay within GT300 competition and NOT to become absolute dominator in the class. No BS! :) Dealer saw secret video!

Myth #2

I've been offered to pre-order my BRZ out of THREE trims: Standard, Premium and Limited! No BS! :) I should have pre-ordered Standard just for fun of it.

Myth #3

Don't tell this to anyone! :) Subaru will release the entire lineup of BRZs: BRZ Standard (as we know it today), BRZ WRX, BRZ WRX STi by 2015-2016. No BS!

Myth #4

There will be only 1,000 BRZs for US market (not 5,000, 3,500 or 3,000) for 2012 production year. No BS! We expected more, but lucky to get 1,000!

Enjoy.

fistpoint 03-09-2012 11:41 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by tranzformer (Post 149779)
Actually there is some truth to the rumor that the new ('14/'15?) WRX/STI will be based off the BRZ platform. Suppose to go smaller and lighter.
The 2013 WRX will use the BRZ engine...but with a turbo, and lighter(car, not the engine) according to Car and Driver:

http://blog.caranddriver.com/confirm...ter-flat-four/

dsgerbc 03-09-2012 11:51 PM
^That's about 2014 WRX.

tranzformer 03-10-2012 12:38 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by fistpoint (Post 153054)
The 2013 WRX will use the BRZ engine...but with a turbo, and lighter(car, not the engine) according to Car and Driver:

http://blog.caranddriver.com/confirm...ter-flat-four/
Dude the '13 is the same as the '12. Won't see a new one until model year '14 most likely at the earliest.

tachi1247 03-10-2012 01:33 AM
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Originally Posted by tranzformer (Post 153078)
Dude the '13 is the same as the '12. Won't see a new one until model year '14 most likely at the earliest.
Most of the speculation out there is that the new WRX will be a 2013 model. Where did you read that it won't be until the '14 MY?

OrbitalEllipses 03-10-2012 01:35 AM
You know the '13 model year is this upcoming one, right? Subaru launched a new vehicle for '13, the BRZ. No word of the WRX at all. It's not coming MY13. MY14 at the earliest.

tachi1247 03-10-2012 01:49 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by OrbitalEllipses (Post 153103)
You know the '13 model year is this upcoming one, right? Subaru launched a new vehicle for '13, the BRZ. No word of the WRX at all. It's not coming MY13. MY14 at the earliest.
Yes, the '13MY will start in August or September. Or possibly be even later. There are laws that govern when you can release a car and what it's model year can be based on that date. April or May is the earliest you can release a car and still use the following year's MY. Basically they could release the car anytime between August and next March and still be a '13. Realistically they wouldn't release a car in March of 2013 since it would only have a 5 mo model run, but it is possible.

DMDZK 03-10-2012 02:32 AM
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Originally Posted by tachi1247 (Post 153106)
Yes, the '13MY will start in August or September. Or possibly be even later. There are laws that govern when you can release a car and what it's model year can be based on that date. April or May is the earliest you can release a car and still use the following year's MY. Basically they could release the car anytime between August and next March and still be a '13. Realistically they wouldn't release a car in March of 2013 since it would only have a 5 mo model run, but it is possible.

Lol, where did you hear this, or did you just make it up? the 2013 Lexus GS has been out and on sale for over a month...

http://www.lexus.com/models/GS/

tachi1247 03-10-2012 02:47 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DMDZK (Post 153127)
Lol, where did you hear this, or did you just make it up? the 2013 Lexus GS has been out and on sale for over a month...

http://www.lexus.com/models/GS/
Actually I was too lazy to look up the exact date and was going with April or May from previous experience because that is usually when they are released. There are very few cars that are released in the middle of winter...the GS is one of them.

Since I'm being called out here is the appropriate answer.

Basically the year can start on January 2nd since January 1st needs to be included in the MY of the actual calendar year. Thus, MY 2012 must include January 1st of 2012 so any car released prior to that date cannot be a MY13.


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