FRS depreciates faster than BRZ?
 

I've noticed A LOT of FRS with less than 5k miles go for under $22k all over the place.
My local BMW dealer had one for $21,500 with only 6k miles on it.
I've noticed that BRZs remain around $26k except for a few rare ones.

I've also heard of people buying brand new BRZs for less than Scion's "pure" pricing so it sounds like based on how the Subarus hold their value they are simply a better buy EVEN if you end up paying $1k more.

Subarus have always been good at holding their value but not Scions.
thoughts?

Looking on Cars.com, there are 143 FR-S under 10k miles, priced between $22k and $32k. Two-thirds of them are listed over $24k, roughly. There are also 43 BRZ between $24k and $31k. Two-thirds of them are listed over $26.5k, roughly.

So I think your FR-S estimated prices are a little low.

There are more scions made than subies.. As per toyotas say so..
Not surprising to see more FRS's available up for sale..

Don't forget the absurd markups and "options" some of the Subaru dealers are charging, initial buyers are still probably hurting from that and are trying to recoup that loss.

The subies cost more to begin with, so to say that the FRS depreciates faster wouldn't really make sense, ya'know?

Simple explanation is supply vs demand. Used BRZs are more difficult to come by, relative to the FRS, because of the supply ratio that Subaru & Toyota agreed upon. Couple the lower supply of BRZ with more "bells & whistles" available on the car, usually means dealers will justify asking for more for the car. There is one thing in pricing between a used BRZ and FRS, price can be negotiable so for those looking to haggle or want the satisfaction of jousting with a dealer on OTD price, happy shopping!

Lots of factors. They've sold more, the "perception" of FR-S being the one people are going to mod, the insurance rates, people trying to price at a rate where buying used makes sense (there aren't many used BRZs around let alone many new ones.

I didn't buy it with resale value in mind.

If you're worried about depreciation this soon you probably shouldn't have bought a new car.

and probably look at something like corolla, camry or accord.
I never look at resale value when buying this car.

It just seems to me that if you're considering what you can sell a car for less than a year after it's been released, you're not in the best financial situation to be spending money on a new car. That's just poor finance management and bad decision making.

(Which I think is why so many are for sale – impulse buyers that couldn't afford it in the first place, or repossessions)

or they are simply rich. I'm jealous, but I still think that is pretty absurd.

There's a local dealer that has a FR-S with 9,500 miles and he's asking more than I paid for mine new. I haven't seen a used BRZ for sale.

When I purchased my BRZ from my local Subaru dealer they had 2 used Fr-S's on the lot (red one, black one). One had 8k miles I think and the other had 4k miles. I asked me salesman why they were traded in he told me both were traded in for BRZ Limited's and that the owners wanted more options.

Smart? No. I am guessing the owners easily lost $3-4K when you factor in taxes, tags, etc. I would not have done it.

BRZs are more scarce than FRSs and plus they have a higher value overall. I REALLY doubt you'll find a BRZ for under the FRS price unless there are mark ups on the FRS. BRZ doesn't go much lower than $28k~ at least from what I've seen and FRS gets up to around $27k at highest without markup

That is because you are still looking at LA area market only. Also, you can now get BRZ less than MSRP in CA if you are shopping around.

You can get a good deal on an automatic, they are depreciating faster than manuals. The cheapest FR-S on Cars.com are going for $19.9k in NJ both of which are automatics.

what's the cheapest you've seen?

BRZ limited $750 below MSRP. Pretty sure can haggle more to $1000.
Don't go to Puente Hills Subaru.

I don't care about resell value as I'm the only owner my car is going to have. :D

That's crazy I have heard of the loss most of these people are taking and it is crazy to think that dealerships expect to turn a $10k profit on a $30k that's a year old with over 9,000 miles on it. These used should be around $20k tops sense most are getting around $17k for an fr-s and $19k for a BRZ on their trade in.

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Subaru's typically have a slightly higher resale value than Toyota's.

that's still more than the frs :/ but yeah Puente hills is bad

if you could live up with frs interior, then 2k upgrade to a brz is too much for ya. To convert from a FRS to BRZ limited trim level aint cheap. just saying.

oh yeah i know that lol but someone mentioned that BRZ's that they found go for less than an FRS. If i had to pick one, it's BRZ all the way, get so much more for just 2k more.

they're both japanese economy cars, they'll be good and cheap in a few years. any difference in resale value now will become less significant over time as the market is saturated with both models. eventually they'll be like v6 auto mustangs, selling like hotcakes and within eyesight at any corner.

any kind of cars will depreciate unless you are investing your money on properties. When I buy this car, I'm expecting it to last 10 years before my next sport car.

I actually got my brz for almost the same FRS cost, but the shipping and dealer's fee killed it.

lol from heuberger?

This thread sucks

Hmmmm.....The FR-S I bought had an MSRP right at 39.5K, then again it was their show car and this one had been especially done by a local shop owned by Tim Duncan. It came with goodies and it was the Ultra-whiteout edition with the Five axis wheels along with simple bolt-ons and a TRD body kit as well, also with lowering springs a new audio system as well. I'm guessing it depends but I really wouldn't look at resale value unless you are buying a more high end car. That is where resale value comes in handy. The sole reason I traded in my GTR was because I wanted to beat that tax break vs selling privately and having to pay taxes on what I would've sold it for.

Not surprising since the FRS is the lowest refined car among BRZ, japanese 86 and euro/australian GT86.

Actually, its not. I believe there are two trim levels below the FRS in Japan.

Here's a link to the Japanese models.

There's 4 models listed the GT Limited, GT, G, and the RC.

http://toyota.jp/86/001_p_001/grade/index.html

That's true. But one trim is the RC version, which is very barebone and intended only for "professional" racing/drifting/modding purpose. Nothing like that is sold in Europe or America, AFAIK.

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Right here! Thanks TRDx!

oh my lol that msrp was a rip off D: if i were you and I had that much money I'd rather do the little things myself. It's certainly a special car because those TRD kits are rather hard to get, or so I heard. But i mean 40k for some simple 7k work :/ couldve had your own perfected taste into it instead.

I know right??? But that is a dealership for you and when I went to go look at a BRZ one the salespeople was just rude and customer service was horrible. But oh well.....still happy with my decision and I am anxious for my future plans for the car :burnrubber:

please do not, and repeat do not go to Puente hill Subaru or Monrovia Subaru dealer. really bad service and the management do not care about it.

I thought Sierra Subaru Monrovia was selling BRZ at MSRP? One of the sales did not even bother to contact me regarding the availability.

congrats on it though! :) but i agree about BRZs, the dealers all suck and they try to mark up the prices or they're just plain rude and horrible with service. You need to get OEM GT-86 headlights :party0030: