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vh_supra26 06-14-2013 10:53 AM
Super-Lightweight Toyota 86 TRD Griffon Concept Flies to Goodwood Festival
 
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbDTwd_O5XY"]86 TRD Griffon Concept（コンセプトãƒ*ービー） - YouTube[/ame]

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Toyota's arsenal of cars at this year's edition of the Goodwood Festival of Speed that takes place in Britain from July 11 to 14 will include the GT 86 TRD Griffon Project. If the name rings a bell it's because the Japanese carmaker had originally presented the concept at the Tokyo Auto Salon in January this year.


Toyota Racing Developments (TRD) developed the 86 Griffon as a track racer keeping the road-going model's 200-horsepower boxer engine intact, but upgrading the rest of the components and more importantly, shaving 500 pounds (226.7 kg) to bring the curb weight down to just 2,310 pounds (1,048 kg).

In particular, the bonnet, roof, doors, boot lid and rear wings are made from lightweight carbon fibre, while TRD further reduced weight by using carbonfibre reinforced plastic (CFRP) for the bumpers, wider front wings and rear diffuser, and polycarbonate instead of glass for all windows.

The track-focused GT 86 sports new aerodynamic enhancements along with interior improvements that include a TRD driver’s bucket seat, gear shift knob, ignition button and oil pressure and water temperature gauges, plus a Momo steering wheel and Takata seatbelts.

According to Toyota, a number of components were strengthened or upgraded, such as the new TRD mechanical LSD, a coilover suspension kit, shorter final gear ratio and new 18-inch wheels wrapped in Yokohama Advan tires.
http://www.carscoops.com/2013/06/sup...d-griffon.html

vh_supra26 06-14-2013 10:59 AM
Did a search and there were like 3 threads already on this car. Sorry if its a repost, feel free to delete or merge threads.

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=25976

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=25392

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=25468

BadMoon 06-14-2013 11:00 AM
Man that thing is beautiful. :bow:

Timmy_Jones 06-14-2013 11:45 AM
Take the stupid wing off and shave another 20lbs.

Brndn704 06-14-2013 11:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Timmy_Jones (Post 1001955)
Take the stupid wing off and shave another 20lbs.
This wing is actually functional. It allows more down force on the car.

Timmy_Jones 06-14-2013 11:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Logical (Post 1001964)
This wing is actually functional. It allows more down force on the car.
With 200 horsepower??? Haha. Shorter gears that thing has a top speed of 120 now...the wing is way over the top of anything which couldn't blast to 150+ MPH. It is just slowing the car down.

BadMoon 06-14-2013 11:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Timmy_Jones (Post 1001970)
With 200 horsepower??? Haha. Shorter gears that thing has a top speed of 120 now...the wing is way over the top of anything which couldn't blast to 150+ MPH. It is just slowing the car down.
What does having 200 horsepower have to do with anything? They said they added serious performance parts to the car (no doubt adding HP) as well as drastically decreased the weight. Did you even read the article and the list of cars this thing has beat? I would say the spoiler serves a purpose.

Now that said, I would never roll down the road with that thing on my car. The reason it's ricey to most people is because you don't need that for normal driving. However, on a track like the one they were on, is a totally different story. It does have a purpose.

Brndn704 06-14-2013 12:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Timmy_Jones (Post 1001970)
With 200 horsepower??? Haha. Shorter gears that thing has a top speed of 120 now...the wing is way over the top of anything which couldn't blast to 150+ MPH. It is just slowing the car down.
Are you joking around, or are you really just an idiot? Hard to tell at this point.

supra2nv 06-14-2013 01:06 PM
I bow down to that car lol

supra2nv 06-14-2013 01:12 PM
ohhhhh cr@p I want those TRD gauges now...

BadMoon 06-14-2013 01:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Logical (Post 1001994)
Are you joking around, or are you really just an idiot? Hard to tell at this point.
:lol: I was trying to be more tactful at least.

jshadeck 06-14-2013 01:18 PM
Everything ive heard/read says stock 200hp motor

supra2nv 06-14-2013 01:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Timmy_Jones (Post 1001955)
Take the stupid wing off and shave another 20lbs.
looks way better than that lame wing I had on my Supra twin turbo. in fact, I think this one is very unique, probably very functional. I am opting for no spoiler at all, so the irony here is I dig the big spoiler lol

Chef 06-14-2013 02:23 PM
I like the simple set up... damn, those racing slicks are hot fire lol.

bestwheelbase 06-14-2013 03:08 PM
Hell yes.

NGNG 06-14-2013 05:35 PM
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Originally Posted by BadMoon (Post 1001981)
What does having 200 horsepower have to do with anything? They said they added serious performance parts to the car (no doubt adding HP) as well as drastically decreased the weight. Did you even read the article and the list of cars this thing has beat? I would say the spoiler serves a purpose.

Now that said, I would never roll down the road with that thing on my car. The reason it's ricey to most people is because you don't need that for normal driving. However, on a track like the one they were on, is a totally different story. It does have a purpose.
It says they kept the 200hp motor intact. Though I'm sure the wing is still functional. Necessary? Maybe, maybe not.

BadMoon 06-14-2013 06:21 PM
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Originally Posted by NGNG (Post 1002785)
It says they kept the 200hp motor intact. Though I'm sure the wing is still functional. Necessary? Maybe, maybe not.
Yeah and if one added intake, exhaust, ect.. the motor is still intact. However horse power would be increased.

Even if they didnt add anything else and reduced the weight by what they did the spoiler would still serve a purpose. Even more so with it being so much lighter. So yeah it's not necessary. However I'm positive it helped them take time off their lap times.

jshadeck 06-14-2013 08:07 PM
http://www.speedhunters.com/2013/02/...ned-eight-six/

Just an exhaust. Wing is functional. Im not a huge fan of it, but if its functional and considering this is a track only car, it doesnt bother me in the least.

ChristosG 06-14-2013 11:37 PM
It does have custom TRD exhaust that is pretty much a straight pipe, so I'm sure that adds a bit of power. Interesting that they're using the stock airbox and not the TRD one.

TRD-X 06-15-2013 12:56 AM
I just want that front bumper minus the canards.....:drool:



http://lh6.ggpht.com/-NmDwZeboaXw/Ub...5B3%25255D.jpg

Timmy_Jones 06-15-2013 09:59 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BadMoon (Post 1001981)
What does having 200 horsepower have to do with anything? They said they added serious performance parts to the car (no doubt adding HP) as well as drastically decreased the weight. Did you even read the article and the list of cars this thing has beat? I would say the spoiler serves a purpose.

Now that said, I would never roll down the road with that thing on my car. The reason it's ricey to most people is because you don't need that for normal driving. However, on a track like the one they were on, is a totally different story. It does have a purpose.
So they added an intake and exhaust? What is the car now, 209 horsepower?

Yes I read the article and am thrilled about an even lighter version, but not the absolutely stupid and unnecessary wing.

Timmy_Jones 06-15-2013 10:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Logical (Post 1001994)
Are you joking around, or are you really just an idiot? Hard to tell at this point.
Did you read the article? I am serious. Sorry I misled you into thinking I was kidding.

Timmy_Jones 06-15-2013 10:03 PM
How about a newer RUF RGT, that is a car that needs a stupid big wing. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...f_RGT_2007.jpg

BadMoon 06-16-2013 01:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Timmy_Jones (Post 1004639)
How about a newer RUF RGT, that is a car that needs a stupid big wing. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...f_RGT_2007.jpg
You don't make a whole lot of sense. Here are the cars the 86 beat with the big spoiler that yes, made a difference. Lap times were shortened by that spoiler. That's fact.

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That may seem like nothing on paper, but when you start adding in the fact that time beats out times of the Ferrari 458 Italia, Ferrari 360 CS, Nissan GT-R Spec-V, Corvette ZR1, Lambo Gallardo, Porsche 911 GT2, and so on, you realize that this must be one beastly `Yota GT 86.

Vonsamhain 06-16-2013 11:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Timmy_Jones (Post 1004633)
Did you read the article? I am serious. Sorry I misled you into thinking I was kidding.

Then you are just clueless. The amount of time shaving downforce an airfoil adds to a 2300lb car at 100mph sweeps is absolutely functional and quite useful. 200hp means nothing

dem00n 06-16-2013 11:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Timmy_Jones (Post 1004630)
So they added an intake and exhaust? What is the car now, 209 horsepower?

Yes I read the article and am thrilled about an even lighter version, but not the absolutely stupid and unnecessary wing.
Of course, wings do nothing on the track. This isn't a race car or anything.

autogyro 06-17-2013 01:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Timmy_Jones (Post 1004639)
How about a newer RUF RGT, that is a car that needs a stupid big wing.
Aerofoils aren't some super secret magic device that only high horsepower cars use you know. Plenty of functional rear spoilers generate downforce, even at speeds add low as 60 mph.

vh_supra26 06-17-2013 04:32 PM
Toyota GT86 TRD Griffon Project Heading to Goodwood
 
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A year after launching its GT86 sports car, Toyota will return to the Goodwood Festival of speed with a race-bred version of its wildly popular coupe.

The car, which initially debuted during the Tokyo Auto Salon, was created by Toyota Racing Development specifically for track driving. Lighter, stiffer and better prepared for high-speed driving, the hood, roof, doors, deck lid and spoiler are all made of carbon fiber. Its bumpers are made of carbon fiber reinforced plastic as are the front wings and rear diffuser.

It gathers further weight savings by using polycarbonate plastic instead of glass for the windows as well.

A TRD mechanical limited-slip differential replaces the car’s standard Torsen unit and the final gear ratio is shortened to 4.8:1. TRD also added a coil over suspension kit.

Other changes include upgraded brake pads and an oil cooler for the engine, which remains stock, as well as new 18-inch wheels with Yokohama Advan tires.
http://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/2...-goodwood.html

CAMBAM_6 06-19-2013 02:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Timmy_Jones (Post 1001955)
Take the stupid wing off and shave another 20lbs.
LMAO i lost count of how many times i have heard ignorant comments like this on instagram especially on track cars, i try not to respond but sometimes i cant help it. The fanboys love to call these purpose built track cars "rice" because they have functional aero parts :lol:

SubieNate 06-19-2013 05:30 PM
I'll be back later with some maths.

Needless to say, at 2300 lb and 200 hp, a well designed wing can be HIGHLY effective. Anyone doubting the effectiveness of anything on the Griffon car is a bit silly, considering it's track record.

Nathan

zephyr69 06-20-2013 12:30 AM
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Originally Posted by ChristosG (Post 1003401)
It does have custom TRD exhaust that is pretty much a straight pipe, so I'm sure that adds a bit of power. Interesting that they're using the stock airbox and not the TRD one.
I believe the TRD airbox is a TRD USA thing. TRD Japan only has Sports Air Filter. Correct me If I am wrong though.

No offense to people who use TRD USA stuff. But they really suck.

vh_supra26 07-05-2013 12:52 PM
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y18bo5IYE50"]86 TRD Griffon Concept 2nd test - YouTube[/ame]

FRSfan111 07-05-2013 02:30 PM
I want those fenders.

campy 07-05-2013 02:32 PM
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Originally Posted by zephyr69 (Post 1012811)
No offense to people who use TRD USA stuff. But they really suck.
lol wut

cyde01 07-05-2013 05:26 PM
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Originally Posted by vh_supra26 (Post 1046741)
wow awesome i wonder what's been changed between test one and test two? looks like they added a direct cold air duct that goes to the intake and vents on the front fenders..

bestwheelbase 07-05-2013 05:52 PM
It just gets better and better.

Add louvers on the back glass and I'd daily the crap out of that beautiful thing.

Quentin 07-05-2013 07:15 PM
I love the armchair aerospace engineers that come out of the woodwork claiming that you need 400hp to make use of a rear spoiler.

Ammonia 07-05-2013 07:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Timmy_Jones (Post 1001970)
With 200 horsepower??? Haha. Shorter gears that thing has a top speed of 120 now...the wing is way over the top of anything which couldn't blast to 150+ MPH. It is just slowing the car down.

I'm thinking the guys that put this car together know a little more than you about functional spoilers and usable downforce.

Anaxilus 07-05-2013 07:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Quentin (Post 1047503)
I love the armchair aerospace engineers that come out of the woodwork claiming that you need 400hp to make use of a rear spoiler.
^ This. According to Ross Brawn, you only need 175kph to sustain a modern Formula One car upside down in a tunnel.

175kph = 109mph; I don't think you need 400hp to go 109mph. Downforce/lift is related to speed, not power output.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_Eht0vDoDg"]How does the aerodynamics (downforce) on a F1 car work? - YouTube[/ame]

TRD-X 07-05-2013 07:40 PM
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Originally Posted by zephyr69 (Post 1012811)
I believe the TRD airbox is a TRD USA thing. TRD Japan only has Sports Air Filter. Correct me If I am wrong though.

No offense to people who use TRD USA stuff. But they really suck.


Yep your right TRD U.S.A. only CAI but really they both suck if you get my meaning....:bonk:

Side note if anyone is planning on buying the Innovate superchager kit the TRD/USA CAI is a waste of money.


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