what would be a better buy new frs or used mk4 supra
 

hey im a full on toyota fan i've owned many yotas over the years including 85' ae86 gts(wich i regret selling), mk1 mr2, 82 sr5 liftback, 4 mk3 supras, ls400, 94 corolla and paseo, 93 tercel(badass dd gas saver). anyways im really excited bout the new car love everything bout it without the wing(like the trd wing a lot, just not the whole kit). anyways the mk4 is a far superior car and for about the same price or less i can get a low mileage mk4 in good shape so for me is a no brainer. so what do you guys think is a better buy?

Good luck finding one that hasn't been modified all to hell or has rebuilt parts and such. And have fun insuring it...haha.

Also, I understand that you're a Toyota fan, but the FR-S/86 isn't really the vehicle to compare to the Supra. The Supra is basically a Japanese interpretation of the Corvette. Hell, you could pick up a C5 Z06 for the same money and get as much, or more, performance out of it.

Anyways, the 86 and Supra are two totally different driving experiences. I'd just wait for the 86, give it a test drive, and then decide.

the mk4 supras i've seen that were low mileage TTs & stock in good condition w/ mait records & single owner private party have always been very expensive. they're becoming collectors items. i've seen them around 40-60 grand. (for 20-60k miles) way more than a 86.

if you can find a low mileage supra TT that's in good condition w/ records for 25 grand jump on it. but that's like winning the lotto.

what would be a better buy, an apple, or an orange?

what would be a better buy, a 10 year old apple that someone has bitten, or a brand new orange?

youve already said the supra is a superior car. just go buy one

for me the decision would be easy because the 4th gen supras never appealed to me :iono: these are very different cars

Def not the right car to compare to the 86. But I work on MK4 Supras everyday at my work. I'm going for the 86 because I want something new. I see 500-800hp Supras everyday and it's just not what I want, even though they are one of the most solid built cars ever made.

A couple friends of mine are selling theirs. One a 1995 TT 6spd higher miles just sold for 31k and another low mileage 1998 TT 6spd for 45k. So.... they still are worth tons of money.

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Good luck with finding a good supra thats been properly taken care of. There was some douchebag around at my college who had a mkIV and was just revving it to redline just to impress a few people -_- Sad to see such a good car slowly get destroyed by some idiot.

Point is im kinda nervous to go with a popular car since you may not know who has owned the car in the past and what they have done.

Supras are fun, but parts are expensive and they're getting really old.

There are newer cars of equal performance that can be had for the same price/or just a little more money (For something close to 20 years newer).

Like I said, they're fun! But if you need a super duper reliable daily driver that gets decent mpg, get an FR-S/BRZ.

coming from 4 MKIV Turbo Supras( 2 at 400 and 1 at 390 and one at 800 on race gas), I can tell you that yes they are good cars but the love for them will fade over time, and its not the raw HP numbers or the over built engine, it is just that you start to want something that will not drive you crazy when you park it in a parking lot, gets lots of attention ( wanted and unwanted) yeah they are crazy fun but when you start to understand real driving is not what you do in a striaght line but how you become one with a car on a track or a track like experince when you drive it; HP numbers are meaningless, and weight seems to be on your mind as you find you tend to have more fun in track cars or cars like them more then the monsters of the road. To be honest the most fun I ever had in a car was in a 290hp NSX hard top and a miata( hate to addmit it) at a track event, from what I hear this car will be like those or even better at a fraction of the cost.

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Im on the same boat, i can appreciate a car with brute power and that is well built but i rather have something light and nimble. I know i said i wanted an s2k the other day on the 86/brz vs s2k thread but i've changed my mind and im saving up for an Ae86 since it perfectly follows this philosophy of being light and nimble

haha, do we go to the same school? This actually just happened yesterday. Unfortunately, my college idiot is one of the few supra owners around. I was excited for the car until I saw who it was driving...:thumbdown:

You can buy mine...

The one thing that bugged me more than anything was seeing this young kid in an evo. :bs: and some bastard with an current gen M3 :thumbdown:
A huge percentage of the modified cars at my school are hondas, a couple nissans, 1 ae86, and a sweet modified cressida :thumbsup:, im sure that there're a couple more that i havent seen

But when i saw the idiot driving the supra revving it like it was gran turismo, i couldnt help but laugh at him on the outside but crying on the inside for the poor car.

Now that would keep me entertained for some time. :)

I can tell you one thing...the Supra will have far less (if any) depreciation versus the FR-S or BRZ.

Here's mine...

http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u...2/IMG_0113.jpg

im definitly in the market for one would like to see some pics and how much are you asking? to everyone else im not comparing the supra to the frs its just that the supra is my dream car and is a car that does everything well, and the frs is a sexy ass car love the body lines, car looks good all around and im sure its gonna be fun ass hell to drive. i guess ill just have to wait till i can drive it.

Want a new car? Or a old +10 year old car that will be a money pit?

My Supra is 17 years old, and in the five years I've owned it, nothing has failed or broken. All I've spent money on for the car is for tires and oil changes. The car has performed flawlessly and has not been a money pit at all. Far from it.

Even better, it's now worth more than what I paid for it five years ago.

yeah but a new car is more like throwing money away than an old car that has bottomed out if not has gone back up in price. if you can really afford a supra you are on the wrong forum

new frs is better. unless the supra is a toy or second car i wouldnt want all that old tech for a DD. now that ive used usb/aux for music theres no going back to cds.

for a project/fun car id go supra and have fun working on it on the weekends and not care if it gets shitty mpg since it wouldnt be driven much

We just might have different priorities. For a DD I would take a BRZ over a 10-17 year old Supra. If it was for a project car to work on then sure maybe the Supra is a better choice for the OP. Old cars deal with wear and tear not knowing how well previous owners took care of them.

Anyways OP seems to have made up his mind. He views Supra as a better car. It isn't our job to convince him the BRZ is better. I personally would take a new BRZ because of being new, NA, lightweight...etc.

i see your point but he asked us. i also kind of wonder what this whole green thing has done to reliability. fundamentally, the supra is a tough as cars get. i wouldnt be surprised if a clean, late supra would last longer than a brand new frs. in my head it would be just about a wash since you would lose in maintenance initially on the supra but you would get back in the lack of depreciation. i hope the frs becomes a big deal but with a supra we know it is.

maybe im just partial since ive had a mk2 and 3 supra and the earlier had over 400k on the odo when i got rid of it with no major issues

I think if you're debating between these two cars you should really reconsider what you actually want in a car.

Look at it like this. When most people are considering purchasing a Supra, they are usually also considering cars like 03/04 Cobras and Corvettes, not miatas and RX-8s(which are some of the closest cars to the FR-S/BRZ)


Think about what you really want from this car. If acceleration and power is your thing, look into a well maintained Supra. If you want better mpg, a fresh new body/interior (something that isn't abused, about 80% of all Supras have been abused) and you don't want to worry about maintenance, get a new car. Keep in mind though that there are a few cars out there on the market to consider that are creeping up on stock Supra performance (3.8 GC, 370Z) which can be had for around the same price (or a tad more) as a Supra with 100k miles.

Choose wisely, don't rush into a buy - and as I said before, if you're considering a Supra, go test drive one, and then go test drive a Miata and an RX-8 (or wait for the FR-S/BRZ). See which aspects of each car that you like the best.

Supramaster. If you cant decide then wait until the beginning of 2013 and see how the new supra appeals to you.

that's true. but it could change very fast if toyota ever launches a new supra.

if you look at the previous supra models they depreciated quite a bit. the reason the mkIV has kept it's value abnormally long is it's the last one they made before they stopped making the supra.

Yeah but isn't your car a NA? the NA's havn't held there value as good as the Turbo models......:iono:

Yes...my car is a '95 hardtop NA. Hardtop Supras (Turbo or not) are hard to find, especially a 9+ out of 10 condition car like mine is.

I've been offered more for it than I paid several times, but am keeping it to give to my son someday.

I have no desire to daily drive a car that is approaching 20 years old. While I appreciate Supras, they aren't the type of car I'd own. Small, nimble, and light have always been my preference.

Just giving you a hard time. nice car.

The difference between a Supra and a Corvette is that the Supra actually handles well.
It's not an FD RX7 in that way but it's overall a better car than the FT-86 can ever be in my opinion.

Are you sure the Supra costs that much to maintain ? General idea HERE I live is that it's quite cheap! I never heard of anyone breaking down really...

The 90s era JDM cars (300zx/R32s/Supra/RX7) were against real competitors like the 911/F355 etc.

The FR-S/BRZ will be competing to beat a Hyundai Genesis or struggle against the out of production RX8 which is more practical, less reliable, drinks more fuel and probably a tad better car in power/handling (there's still the Spirit version coming out tho but no performance upgrades if anyone is interested:P).

My opinion is if you're cross-shopping a Supra and a FR-S then the FR-S shouldn't be considered. I doubt there's a new car to compare with the Supra, the 3.0L TT is a dying breed at the moment... They are simply not in the same league...

An FR-S sounds great and I hope it does well, I will not be buying it though (at least not now, maybe in 5 years/if they come out with a 300hp version).

Also whoever says the Toyota FR-S will be an investment or holding value then you're mistaken, check out any Toyota MR2 SW20 and tell me how they're holding up against cars from the same age, they plummeted. Apart from the Supra, nothing else held its value... Food for thought !

I won't even go into Subaru cars, they depreciate like a block of concrete in a river... :(
(I know, I own one :P)

Take my facts with a grain of salt, I live in the EU and we get RHD cars:)

To sum up my advice:
If you definitely need to buy a new car for all means wait for FR-S and BRZ, see prices/compare options and so on and choose between the two.
The Hyundai as good as it is, it looks ugly for me and it's a Hyundai. I'd prefer some heritage from a sports car :P

If you can manage the fact of a used car, you can find a lot of cars equivalent or better for same/less/much less money. May need repairs and they'll have some years under their belt. Calculate the depreciation of a new FR-S over 60k miles/5 years or whatever versus the costs of repair on an older car...

It all depends on what you're able to live with and what you want.

I hope you seriously don't think a new supra is going to be out in 2013

Just leave him in his little world.

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I won't even go into Subaru cars, they depreciate like a block of concrete in a river... :(
(I know, I own one :P) "

I have owned 4 Subaru's now, if you actually buy them right, they hold Value quite well. Def doesn't help if you pay MSRP or more....I've sold outright/traded in, yet to be upside down.

Other then being dead wrong about your Corvette blanket statement, I agree with some of what you said. Your market is different however, many of those mid 90's Japanese vehicles, and the WRX/STi actually hold there value quite well here. You must remember that we can only buy a select small list of grey market cars in the US, so the USDM versions of these vehicles tend to be worth more then they would be in a market where you can cheaply import a car from Japan.

That statement that was made about the corvette actually bothered me. lol

The Mark IV Supra (made between 1993 and 1998) will out handle a Corvette from that same era. I know...I've owned 26 Corvettes over the years, and the Corvette from that generation was not a great handling car at all.

In 1998, the Corvette got far better, but the early and mid '90's Corvettes were not that great handling wise. The Supra and the 300ZX Twin Turbo pretty much dominated the Corvette during that time period.

Just curious, but why in the world have you owned 26 Corvettes?

Yeah this is what I meant :D
I'm sorry If I offended anyone, I actually do like Corvettes ;)