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Rejor11 06-05-2013 04:08 PM
frs vs corvette (high planes raceway)
 
I was reading through this forun and decided to share my experience.

Over at high planes, i played with a corvette. On the straights he was catching up to me, but on every corner i pulled away. However, due to his speed he was able to catch up eventually, to the point where i pointed him by so i could chase him for a change.

It was a lotta fun. It seemd we were both of equal skill level. Both our cars were bone stock at the time, minus brakes and he had better tires... so it was fun to see how well this car can keep up with corvettes on a twisty track.

chrisl 06-05-2013 04:56 PM
Which gen corvette? The new(ish) ones should all leave you in the dust easily, including around corners, but you might have a hope on a twisty track with an older one.

Rejor11 06-05-2013 05:35 PM
It was an older one, 2004 model i believe

thill 06-05-2013 06:07 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by chrisl (Post 983674)
Which gen corvette? The new(ish) ones should all leave you in the dust easily, including around corners, but you might have a hope on a twisty track with an older one.
I would hope a $50K+ car could beat a $24K at least on a straigtaway.. If you put $25K in the twins........

chrisl 06-05-2013 06:12 PM
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Originally Posted by thill (Post 983835)
I would hope a $50K+ car could beat a $24K at least on a straigtaway.. If you put $25K in the twins........
The new ones could beat an FR-S/BRZ in more than just the straights. The new (C5/C6/C7) 'vettes are remarkably fast cars on a racetrack in every regard - handling, braking, acceleration, etc. The older ones (pre-C5) were kind of heavy and not the best handling/accelerating cars though.

kALMIGHTY 06-05-2013 07:53 PM
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Originally Posted by chrisl (Post 983848)
The new ones could beat an FR-S/BRZ in more than just the straights. The new (C5/C6/C7) 'vettes are remarkably fast cars on a racetrack in every regard - handling, braking, acceleration, etc. The older ones (pre-C5) were kind of heavy and not the best handling/accelerating cars though.
Yeah the new Stingray looks amazing and is going to be one of the best super car-ish type cars for the money. I'd take it over a GTR, and if I had the money, over one of the twins as well.

thill 06-05-2013 09:06 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by chrisl (Post 983848)
The new ones could beat an FR-S/BRZ in more than just the straights. The new (C5/C6/C7) 'vettes are remarkably fast cars on a racetrack in every regard - handling, braking, acceleration, etc. The older ones (pre-C5) were kind of heavy and not the best handling/accelerating cars though.
Agreed they look awesome.. But I would take a turbo 911 all day long if money is not an object in this thread.

killerkid08 06-05-2013 11:05 PM
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Originally Posted by thill (Post 984209)
Agreed they look awesome.. But I would take a turbo 911 all day long if money is not an object in this thread.
why not just call it a day and purchase a:

Pagani Zonda Revolucion

thill 06-06-2013 12:14 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by killerkid08 (Post 984445)
why not just call it a day and purchase a:

Pagani Zonda Revolucion
Sounds good to me! Then we can compare it to a $24K entry level sports ar and brag about how much faster it is.

killerkid08 06-06-2013 12:16 AM
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Originally Posted by thill (Post 984603)
Sounds good to me! Then we can compare it to a $24K entry level sports ar and brag about how much faster it is.
exactly, you see my point. lol. The idea of these car comparisons are pointless.

Whitigir 06-06-2013 12:19 AM
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Originally Posted by kALMIGHTY (Post 984069)
Yeah the new Stingray looks amazing and is going to be one of the best super car-ish type cars for the money. I'd take it over a GTR, and if I had the money, over one of the twins as well.
This!! I am honestly looking toward to owning a C7. But it is 2 seaters only. I am waiting to see how the new STI turn out to be. Probably a disappointment, I see they are going to reach 38k for the next model, which I rather go with C7.

Now, move on to the next Supra or Evolution. Both of them are being targeted below 50k. But the remarkable thing about these two is that they are high performance PHEV. You can save so much gas, with so much instant torque, extra torque at the brake and go from the corners (for supra). These will be a serious contender to the C7. I do not see any conventional gasoline car can compete to the C7 HP-Price-style.

Rejor11 06-06-2013 08:31 AM
Hah, didn't think this thread would evolve into this.

Either way, I do like how the new 'vette looks.

thill 06-06-2013 10:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Rejor11 (Post 985015)
Hah, didn't think this thread would evolve into this.

Either way, I do like how the new 'vette looks.
They did an amazing job with the styling. First Vette I have wanted to actually own in a long time.

chate 06-06-2013 11:33 AM
My last car was a C5, 2000, and after owning a vette for 3 years and having owned an FRS for over a year now, I can say the FRS is much more entertaining and has helped me learn much more about car control than the vette did

Best part about corvettes is the used market, you can get a c6 these days for about the same price as an FRS/BRZ- but I still think that as a DD the FRS makes me smile much more than the vette did :)

charged86 06-09-2013 08:50 PM
http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h3...ps894a3571.jpg

Razz 06-09-2013 11:58 PM
The Corvette driver wasn't that good.

A Vette will smoke you at the track.

He didn't know the limits of the Vette or wasn't able to respond to it when she suddenly spins out.

Not to mention it is a allot money to wreck those.

Get your head out of the sky.

Dazza 06-10-2013 09:45 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Razz (Post 992221)
The Corvette driver wasn't that good.

A Vette will smoke you at the track.

He didn't know the limits of the Vette or wasn't able to respond to it when she suddenly spins out.

Not to mention it is a allot money to wreck those.

Get your head out of the sky.
Its wonderful when the "experts" come out to strut their stuff... hmmmm.....they look pretty close to me :laughabove:....C6 and above though are definitely quicker.

Track Corvette C5 GT-86
Hockenheim Short 1:18.20 1:19.40
Vairano Handling Course 1:26.32 1:26.22

This from http://fastestlaps.com/comparisons/c...ota_ft-86.html

chrisl 06-10-2013 08:28 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dazza (Post 992662)
Its wonderful when the "experts" come out to strut their stuff... hmmmm.....they look pretty close to me :laughabove:....C6 and above though are definitely quicker.

Track Corvette C5 GT-86
Hockenheim Short 1:18.20 1:19.40
Vairano Handling Course 1:26.32 1:26.22

This from http://fastestlaps.com/comparisons/c...ota_ft-86.html
I'm not convinced that those times mean much, at least not without knowing how they were measured (who was driving, track conditions). Also, note that that is the C5 (2 generations old) base Corvette, and it is still faster (29 seconds around the nordschleife, if you believe those times) by a significant margin.

wrxgoose 06-10-2013 08:56 PM
we need to get a real comparo. stig-like driver, one car than the other.

fatoni 06-10-2013 10:28 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dazza (Post 992662)
Its wonderful when the "experts" come out to strut their stuff... hmmmm.....they look pretty close to me :laughabove:....C6 and above though are definitely quicker.

Track Corvette C5 GT-86
Hockenheim Short 1:18.20 1:19.40
Vairano Handling Course 1:26.32 1:26.22

This from http://fastestlaps.com/comparisons/c...ota_ft-86.html
where do they get numbers from? this doesnt look very credible especially considering that the 1/4 mile time is off by a full second for the vette.

schlomo 06-10-2013 10:57 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dazza (Post 992662)
Its wonderful when the "experts" come out to strut their stuff... hmmmm.....they look pretty close to me :laughabove:....C6 and above though are definitely quicker.

Track Corvette C5 GT-86
Hockenheim Short 1:18.20 1:19.40
Vairano Handling Course 1:26.32 1:26.22

This from http://fastestlaps.com/comparisons/c...ota_ft-86.html
You do realize comparos like these are meaningless. No statement of variables given. The 86 could easily beat a GTR with the right conditions and drivers

Dazza 06-11-2013 01:06 AM
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Originally Posted by chrisl (Post 993970)
I'm not convinced that those times mean much, at least not without knowing how they were measured (who was driving, track conditions). Also, note that that is the C5 (2 generations old) base Corvette, and it is still faster (29 seconds around the nordschleife, if you believe those times) by a significant margin.
Yes I know the C5 is two generations old but the OP suggested it was an older model....and 29 seconds in 8 minutes is the same as 5 seconds in a lap of 1:20 to 1:25 so still not inconsiderable, but the Ring does favour "power" more so than smaller tighter tracks

Quote:
Originally Posted by wrxgoose (Post 994037)
we need to get a real comparo. stig-like driver, one car than the other.
Agreed

Quote:
Originally Posted by fatoni (Post 994196)
where do they get numbers from? this doesnt look very credible especially considering that the 1/4 mile time is off by a full second for the vette.
From the website;-

About Fastestlaps.com

www.fastestlaps.com is the first and only interactive road car lap time database. It is dedicated for car enthusiasts from all around, interested in comparing sports car performance according to real world track tests.

Lap times

The main purpose for www.fastestlaps.com is to allow car enthusiasts gather lap times for different cars and tracks in one place. All lap times published in fastestlaps.com originate from trusted sources - car magazines, automotive TV shows etc. Only street legal, unmodified production cars are allowed in fastestlaps.com.

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Originally Posted by schlomo (Post 994251)
You do realize comparos like these are meaningless. No statement of variables given. The 86 could easily beat a GTR with the right conditions and drivers
Yes, but my point was the comparison isn't a dumb one, there are sources (though I admit I can't vouch for credibility) that suggest as much. Around a tight track where handling is prized and outright power isn't as much of an advantage, I would have expected them to be close. The above source "suggests" as much, doesn't necessarliy prove it and might be "meaningless" in the correct academic sense, but it does suggest there might be a contest to be had. :)

Gixxersixxerman 06-11-2013 01:20 AM
I love these debates...min stead of patting the guy on the back for having a fun time at the track, "experts" put him down and say its the driver.. No shit lol.. At the streets of willow, passing and pulling away from a c6 z06 was satisfying, was it because the other driver couldn't drive his car... Yup no doubt.. Did it still feel good that the first time ever on a track in a car I was passing a 50-60k car in my scion.. Yup you bet...

When a car that's suppose to be faster wins any "race" the excuse is always.. It's suppose to.. But when the slower cheaper car wins the "race" there is always a million excuses.. Happens in the bike world all the time.. I embarrass a liter bike on my old 600 race bike, I always heard excuses.. It's not my fault the owner that bought the car or bike can not handle it.. So when he gets "beat" there shouldn't be any excuses..

I did find it interesting that the new GTR and was only 9sec faster around SoW.. I was expecting 15+ secs

fatoni 06-11-2013 02:05 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dazza (Post 994514)
Yes I know the C5 is two generations old but the OP suggested it was an older model....and 29 seconds in 8 minutes is the same as 5 seconds in a lap of 1:20 to 1:25 so still not inconsiderable, but the Ring does favour "power" more so than smaller tighter tracks



Agreed



From the website;-

About Fastestlaps.com

www.fastestlaps.com is the first and only interactive road car lap time database. It is dedicated for car enthusiasts from all around, interested in comparing sports car performance according to real world track tests.

Lap times

The main purpose for www.fastestlaps.com is to allow car enthusiasts gather lap times for different cars and tracks in one place. All lap times published in fastestlaps.com originate from trusted sources - car magazines, automotive TV shows etc. Only street legal, unmodified production cars are allowed in fastestlaps.com.



Yes, but my point was the comparison isn't a dumb one, there are sources (though I admit I can't vouch for credibility) that suggest as much. Around a tight track where handling is prized and outright power isn't as much of an advantage, I would have expected them to be close. The above source "suggests" as much, doesn't necessarliy prove it and might be "meaningless" in the correct academic sense, but it does suggest there might be a contest to be had. :)
that website has zero credibility.

the comparison is still a pretty dumb one. well not dumb but the vette is just better. taking the comparison to a tight track is just handicapping the vette and it still has more grip than the frs. on a tight course numbers get closer, thats just how it works.

if you want to see that comparison with the dame drivers just look to the lightning laps. the brz did a 3:18.16 while the vette (06 or 07 model) did a 3:09.3.

Dazza 06-11-2013 09:25 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by fatoni (Post 995386)
...the vette is just better. taking the comparison to a tight track is just handicapping the vette and it still has more grip than the frs
?? :lol:and you have driven both at the track?

fatoni 06-11-2013 10:38 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dazza (Post 996351)
?? :lol:and you have driven both at the track?
have you? i havent but according to what happens when professional drivers take them to the track or just about any piece of data can imply, the corvette is faster. i dont know why that seems to be a laughable conclusion. the vette goes faster, turns faster, and stops faster so i dont know where the frs would have an advantage.

Razz 06-11-2013 10:53 PM
^ That is absolutely absurd!

This is an FRS forum, so us fan boys always make our cars better than any old Vette.

In fact the FRS is better than any car.

Just check the pages of threads and comparisons.

Dazza 06-12-2013 04:04 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by fatoni (Post 996501)
have you?
No, but then I didnt claim anything was "just better". What I did was try to show there is a view out there that MIGHT suggest otherwise...I was making no claims either way, though I admit I was suggesting I thought the frs/brz had a claim to handling superiority over the corvette, on the basis that prior to the c6 the corvette didnt really have such a claim (this from international motoring journalists!!)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Razz (Post 996528)
^ That is absolutely absurd!

This is an FRS forum, so us fan boys always make our cars better than any old Vette.

In fact the FRS is better than any car.

Just check the pages of threads and comparisons.
What did you read in the above to make that accusation?

sho220 06-12-2013 04:21 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by fatoni (Post 996501)
have you? i havent but according to what happens when professional drivers take them to the track or just about any piece of data can imply, the corvette is faster. i dont know why that seems to be a laughable conclusion. the vette goes faster, turns faster, and stops faster so i dont know where the frs would have an advantage.
On the internet! Duh!!! :D

Unobtanium 06-12-2013 06:31 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rejor11 (Post 983551)
I was reading through this forun and decided to share my experience.

Over at high planes, i played with a corvette. On the straights he was catching up to me, but on every corner i pulled away. However, due to his speed he was able to catch up eventually, to the point where i pointed him by so i could chase him for a change.

It was a lotta fun. It seemd we were both of equal skill level. Both our cars were bone stock at the time, minus brakes and he had better tires... so it was fun to see how well this car can keep up with corvettes on a twisty track.
Having driven corvettes at Spring Mountain, as well as the little test-drive I took in my former roommate's BRZ, there is no way that the stock BRZ/FR-S is keeping up with a C6. If you were to put some meat on the rims, though, and stick to a tight, technical course (parkinglot cone course where 40-50mph is the top speed?), I could indeed see it, but for any kind of street driving, or a course that goes faster than the top of 2nd gear? I highly doubt it.

One thing I will say is that the BRZ is a VERY! competent car, and I loved driving it. The suspension felt very similar to a C6 Z51 (now Grand Sport). Very! It's lighter, too, and you feel that. I love the car, and since I am not paid to race, I definitely plan on dumping my 370Z for one if Nissan won't buy it back (re-occurring brake issues)

Unobtanium 06-12-2013 06:36 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by chate (Post 985250)
My last car was a C5, 2000, and after owning a vette for 3 years and having owned an FRS for over a year now, I can say the FRS is much more entertaining and has helped me learn much more about car control than the vette did

Best part about corvettes is the used market, you can get a c6 these days for about the same price as an FRS/BRZ- but I still think that as a DD the FRS makes me smile much more than the vette did :)
My former roommate owned a 2004 C5, and I owned a 2011 C6 Z06. He actually likes his BRZ more than the C5, and I can say that the BRZ reminds me very heavily of my C6Z, just not quite as crisp, which for the street is fine. They really are leagues apart, but the BRZ echoed many things my Z06 did, and I really really really like that little car. It feels like a "daily thrashable Z06" to me. A car I can redline repeatedly in several gears without fear of jail time, lol. The driving dynamics are amazing in the BRZ. Dunno about the FRS, haven't driven one.

Rejor11 06-13-2013 11:50 AM
Hah. Wow.

I guess people didnt read the part where i said we were at about equal skill level? At least thats how i felt it was.

The guy and i talked afterwards. He had as much fun as i did, although he was pissed at himself for not being able to pass me more easily.

My head is not "in the sky". I know that with a proper driver, a corvette is gonna slap me on my ass and run me over.

But i guess i should keep my fun stories to myself from now on, lest I am ridiculed for thinking my car can beat anything out there with an equally skilled driver.

Well, whatever. I guess i am a retard as well since "winning" or "arguing" about anything over a forum still makes everyone involved a tard. :p lil

Unobtanium 06-13-2013 08:26 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rejor11 (Post 999687)
Hah. Wow.

I guess people didnt read the part where i said we were at about equal skill level? At least thats how i felt it was.

The guy and i talked afterwards. He had as much fun as i did, although he was pissed at himself for not being able to pass me more easily.

My head is not "in the sky". I know that with a proper driver, a corvette is gonna slap me on my ass and run me over.

But i guess i should keep my fun stories to myself from now on, lest I am ridiculed for thinking my car can beat anything out there with an equally skilled driver.

Well, whatever. I guess i am a retard as well since "winning" or "arguing" about anything over a forum still makes everyone involved a tard. :p lil
Never said that, simply made an observation about the two cars involved, having raced corvettes on-track (Z06, ZR1, Grand Sport), and piddled around in a BRZ on the street. Good on you for the fun you had.

That said, I mixed it up with an S2K the other night on my 370Z Sport/Track. The S2000 was lowered it looked like, and the driver was using the balance of the car, possibly his tires, and definitely weight/suspension to just ham-fist his way through the corners, while I was having to apply some serious art to corner entry and make SURE of my apexes just to keep up in my heavy POS. He was probably way down on power, but he always managed to barely pull on me after a series of corners. The BRZ likely will take some serious skill to "beat" even in a more powerful vehicle.

schlomo 06-14-2013 03:29 PM
^ It sounds like you really made a mistake buying that 370z judging by your posts in the "FR-S/BRZ vs" subforum!

Celica00 06-14-2013 06:14 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by fatoni (Post 996501)
have you? i havent but according to what happens when professional drivers take them to the track or just about any piece of data can imply, the corvette is faster. i dont know why that seems to be a laughable conclusion. the vette goes faster, turns faster, and stops faster so i dont know where the frs would have an advantage.
^^^ one bench racer to rule them all

Mikem53 06-14-2013 06:47 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Unobtanium (Post 998304)
My former roommate owned a 2004 C5, and I owned a 2011 C6 Z06. He actually likes his BRZ more than the C5, and I can say that the BRZ reminds me very heavily of my C6Z, just not quite as crisp, which for the street is fine. They really are leagues apart, but the BRZ echoed many things my Z06 did, and I really really really like that little car. It feels like a "daily thrashable Z06" to me. A car I can redline repeatedly in several gears without fear of jail time, lol. The driving dynamics are amazing in the BRZ. Dunno about the FRS, haven't driven one.
Coming from an 08 C6 w Z51, NPP, 04 Z06 and 2 others before them. andinto the FRS.. The FRS reminds me of the Z06 in terms of feedback and visceral feel.. The vettes were quicker for sure and had serious grip to the limit.. The Z06 was the first car I owned that I didn't want to modify.. Was so good right out of the box.. But the C5 with its overhangs and interior by fisher price just put me off for everyday use.. The C6 was more refined and faster... But lacked the excitement the Z provided .. In terms of regular driving..
The FRS is such a great blend of handling and power.. Has such great balance for everyday driving fun.. I miss the blasts to 60 with the vette.. Truly wakes you up.. But I hated the big tires.. The trammel from crowns in the road.. The corners always felt heavy in the vettes.. But they are very capable cars.. And great hwy cruisers.. The FRS is more enjoyable to me.. Cause I get to use its limits all the time.. And not worry about breaking too many laws..

Steve 06-14-2013 06:47 PM
for the haters.

1. they are both amateur drivers, corvette driver obviously wasn't pushing it to the limits or even close...

2. the corvette is probably a c5 and did pass the 86 eventually...

just because the corvette destroys the 86 on paper doesn't mean its BS. the 86 is much easier to drive at the limits and chances are the corvette driver was even more of an amateur driver.

story is believable. glad you had enjoyed yourself.

R3d 07-11-2013 08:05 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by thill (Post 984209)
Agreed they look awesome.. But I would take a turbo 911 all day long if money is not an object in this thread.
Pfff get an ariel atom V8 !!

ohhh right you cant drive it in the street in canada lol

DIF 07-24-2013 03:05 AM
Only the young...
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rejor11 (Post 983770)
It was an older one, 2004 model i believe
When you say an older one I instantly thought of a C2, a C3 or even a C4 but never in my mind did the year 2004 pop up.


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