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retrosmiths 05-29-2013 12:57 AM

Performance parts that are future-FI-proof?
 
I plan on getting a FI kit in a few months (probably when that Innovate supercharger shows up), but right now I want to add more power. I don't want to buy parts that I'm gonna be reselling later because it's not compatible with the FI kit. So which parts should I get?

ft_sjo 05-29-2013 01:00 AM

Just exhaust components.

dabocx 05-29-2013 01:10 AM

Nameless 3inch exhaust and header will go well with the S/C

retrosmiths 05-29-2013 01:26 AM

I'm guessing this BRZ exhaust diagram is the same as the FRS.

http://i.imgur.com/rgMp8Lb.jpg

The front-pipe connects to the mid-pipe, correct?

Where does a cat-back exhaust system connect to?

Not being exclusive to the Innovate SC, what else is "safe" to replace for a future-FI (turbo or super) FRS?

Where are the cats in the diagram?

civdaddy 05-29-2013 01:34 AM

That Perrin crank pulley, lightweight wheels and tires if you have the $$

dabocx 05-29-2013 01:54 AM

A catback is midpipe+axleback

So its headers+overpipe+frontpipe+catback

OrbitalEllipses 05-29-2013 02:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by civdaddy (Post 966237)
lightweight wheels and tires if you have the $$

You'll want 245 section width at least...which should dictate your rim width.

jamesm 05-29-2013 09:51 AM

well, i wouldn't recommend wheels (low bang for the buck performance wise). the tires are what matter. i'd go for tires and a full exhaust vs. wheels and tires for the same $$$.

retrosmiths 05-29-2013 10:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dabocx (Post 966266)
A catback is midpipe+axleback

So its headers+overpipe+frontpipe+catback

Are most FI kits compatible with aftermarket headers?

Or should I just get a catback exhaust?

Sportsguy83 05-29-2013 10:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by retrosmiths (Post 966655)
Are most FI kits compatible with aftermarket headers?

Or should I just get a catback exhaust?

Most turbos come with their own exhaust manifold so a header would not be compatible.

killerkid08 05-29-2013 10:35 AM

If you are going turbo, all exhaust mods will work minus the headers and possibly over pipe/front pipe dependant upon your kit. Some kits don't reuse the factory intake track from the air box, but AVO does so you can call a Perrin CAI intake proof. All engine mods will carry over like pulleys, injectors, cams... Blah the big thing to remember is turbos will affect your intake and exhaust track.

If you are going super, all exhaust mods including headers are future proof, the intake track is usually a no-go if you are going this route. All engine mods carry over as well like the turbo.

I would recommend upgrading tires before wheels, brakes before susoension, and your cooling even if just radiator before pushing the boost up on either FI possibility.

The best way to know what works, is to remain brand loyal. Sounds weird, but if you buy parts from your GI manufacturer they usually work together.

industrial 05-29-2013 10:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by retrosmiths (Post 966655)
Are most FI kits compatible with aftermarket headers?

Or should I just get a catback exhaust?

I'd stick with a catback and tune until you know where you are going with the car. Most FI systems will change the exhaust and intake systems up to the cat-back. Most FI systems also seem to use ecutek so it's probably safe to get a license now and run a NA tune while you wait.

dabocx 05-29-2013 12:24 PM

A ecutek licence and cable are going to be used by all kits so thats also a good buy.

Draco-REX 05-29-2013 02:02 PM

My plan:
Headers + Over pipe + catted Front pipe, 3" preferably Nameless
Clutch + Lightened Flywheel
Lightened CS Pulley
CF Driveshaft
ECUTek
+various mounts/bushings

Other stuff on the list that may wait for the blower:
Robispec Radiator/Oil Cooler
Catch Can
Battery relocated to Passenger side trunk.
Likely a bump up to 255 wide tires in the rear.

jadewbj 05-29-2013 02:15 PM

Eckutex for sure, s-pipe back exhaust and possibly intake are a safe bet.

Draco-REX 05-29-2013 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by jadewbj (Post 967338)
Eckutex for sure, s-pipe back exhaust and possibly intake are a safe bet.

Most forced induction solutions won't work with an NA intake. Might not want to put that on your list.

jadewbj 05-29-2013 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Draco-REX (Post 967512)
Most forced induction solutions won't work with an NA intake. Might not want to put that on your list.

Thought maybe some would work with SC cars. Probably wrong.

Draco-REX 05-29-2013 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by jadewbj (Post 967535)
Thought maybe some would work with SC cars. Probably wrong.

Nope, sorry. Most Centrifugals block the intake path or replace it entirely. The Innovate Twin Screw keeps the stock airbox, but replaces everything after it. Best to stick with a drop-in for now.

jamesm 05-29-2013 03:55 PM

why buy the ecutek tune now when it won't be useful with the FI kit? you'll be buying two tunes in the end, right?

Sportsguy83 05-29-2013 04:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jamesm (Post 967616)
why buy the ecutek tune now when it won't be useful with the FI kit? you'll be buying two tunes in the end, right?

You can buy a cable and license without needing to buy a tune.

jadewbj 05-29-2013 04:28 PM

You can use the tune you have to have fun until you go fi. Then when you go FI all you need is a new map which is not very expensive.

jamesm 05-29-2013 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Sportsguy83 (Post 967677)
You can buy a cable and license without needing to buy a tune.

true. especially useful if you don't already have a cable to clear codes and log.

retrosmiths 05-29-2013 08:35 PM

So which vendors will I only need to pay once to get "unlimited" tunes?

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jamesm 05-29-2013 09:29 PM

I think visconti does free updates, possibly others as well.

dabocx 05-29-2013 09:30 PM

If you buy the tune now for N/A they will give you updates for N/A

Once you buy a S/C or turbo you will have to buy another tune.

Batman 05-30-2013 12:43 AM

I have been under the impression that the elusive sprintex/innovate twin screw could connect to the Perrin CAI, as its almost exactly where the stock box ends. I don't want to get rid of it!! Now i need to go read those horrible threads all over again.. jk, search! :)

But for solid advice besides the CAI, (which I think could easily be sold on the forum, if you need a new setup for FI) I would go for the tune. I love mine, (from PERRIN), and even if it didn't add more power, the autoblip downshift makes me smile every time I hear it. Little piece of joy in everyday life!

With that said, as soon as you go forced induction, you should only have to pay for a new map, (tune), and won't have to buy the cable and license all over again, which is the larger chunk of the money initially used towards a tune. I would bet that if you bought your NA tune from the same person you buy the FI kit from, they would discount the FI tune or maybe supply it with the kit for free. maybe @PERRIN_Jeff or @PERRIN_Chris could support that theory, If you happen to decide upon their Vortech kit, that is.

Sportsguy83 05-30-2013 07:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Batman (Post 968983)
I have been under the impression that the elusive sprintex/innovate twin screw could connect to the Perrin CAI, as its almost exactly where the stock box ends. I don't want to get rid of it!! Now i need to go read those horrible threads all over again.. jk, search! :)

I believe that kit uses the stock airbox right? If it does, the Perrin CAI works. AVO uses the stock box but I changed it to the Perrin CAI and it fits.

PERRIN_Chris 05-30-2013 01:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Batman (Post 968983)

With that said, as soon as you go forced induction, you should only have to pay for a new map, (tune), and won't have to buy the cable and license all over again, which is the larger chunk of the money initially used towards a tune. I would bet that if you bought your NA tune from the same person you buy the FI kit from, they would discount the FI tune or maybe supply it with the kit for free. maybe @PERRIN_Jeff or @PERRIN_Chris could support that theory, If you happen to decide upon their Vortech kit, that is.


As long as the tune and supercharger were purchased from us, we can get you a deal on the supercharged map for sure. If anyone has any questions, send me a PM, thanks!

retrosmiths 05-30-2013 02:41 PM

What about on NA retunes?

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PERRIN_Chris 05-30-2013 02:55 PM

We've been updating our NA tunes, especially recently since the car is new. Of course those are free. We are working on different stage maps for exhaust as well, and those will be free as long as the exhaust is all purchased from us too.

retrosmiths 05-30-2013 04:50 PM

I meant if I get an intake, will you retune? If I get an exhaust will you retune? (At no charge)

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PERRIN_Mladen 05-30-2013 04:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by retrosmiths (Post 970610)
I meant if I get an intake, will you retune? If I get an exhaust will you retune? (At no charge)

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As long as you purchased the parts directly through us.

Batman 05-30-2013 08:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sportsguy83 (Post 969289)
I believe that kit uses the stock airbox right? If it does, the Perrin CAI works. AVO uses the stock box but I changed it to the Perrin CAI and it fits.

Thanks. I've been looking at AVO since the beginning, but am waiting for a little more information on the Sprintex (aren't we all) and the Ptuning solution also has my curiosity.

I've seen a lot of posts on your turbo setup, and its awesome!

Sportsguy83 05-30-2013 08:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Batman (Post 971062)
Thanks. I've been looking at AVO since the beginning, but am waiting for a little more information on the Sprintex (aren't we all) and the Ptuning solution also has my curiosity.

I've seen a lot of posts on your turbo setup, and its awesome!

Thanks a lot!!


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