We can almost beat a s2000!!!
 

A friend from my gym has a 2007 AP2 s2000. He has a "full straight through exhaust from the headers" (he means a headerback exhaust), "3000 bucks Clubsport coilovers", a K&N panel filter and Bridgestone re050a tyres.

I have Takeda intake, Perrin pulley, Borla UEL and a Unichip running on Takeda map and 92 octane map with Fuel - Timing + map on stock Michelin tires.

When the gym closed at 10pm, i told him to race me at this very long deserted industrial road not far from the gym because i was curious to see how my car fares against his.

We both agreed at a 5k rpm launch. At takeoff, im about half a front fender in front of him. Just before 2-3 shift, he starts pulling and im about half a front fender length behind him. It stays this way until about 160kmh (100mph) when we both slow down.

The 2nd time, i screwed up my launch and launched at 2.5k and he beat me by his car's length.

The 3rd time, was the same as the first time.

The 4th time, he screwed up his launch and i beat him by half my car's length.

Basically, my car beats his from 0 - 50mph (or so). And his beats mine from 60mph to whatever our speed limits are.

I'm very happy with how I went up against his. Loving my car even more :)

I'm now thinking about getting a Jap Spec AP1 s2000 that has 248hp, just to thrash around :D

Stock for stock the s2k has a 1sec faster 0-60. Sounds like a bad driver too me. Watch talking about drag racing no matter how deserted. Some one will always flame you. Glad your enjoying the car though!!!!

Btw with all that what did ur car put down on the dyno? And 1/4mile track times yet?

Going to put it on the dyno as soon as i get the Perrin headerback exhaust.

1 second in the quarter mile is equal to approximately 10 car lengths.

Your buddy doesn't drive well.

Thought I would chime in on this.

My friend and I spent an afternoon driving each others cars (he has an AP2), doing some pulls at various speeds and mild launches. My BRZ has a panel filter,header back and mild weight reduction, and he just had a cat back. Neither are siginificant mods IMO.

The AP2 S2k was SIGNIFICANTLY faster in any and all situations when driven by either of us. The engine is much stonger in the midrange and pulls all the way up to redline. The only place where the BRZ had even a sniff of the S2k was in a slow speed roll on, but that only lasted until about 4000rpm then it was bye bye.

However it was clear the twins have sharper steering, better on center feel, and a stiffer ride......just wish honda made our engine.

Wouldn't know during the race but then again ... how hard is it to drive a car fast? I've been in his car when he does spirited driving. He launches and shifts fine.

Im pretty sure the s2000 steers better than the twins due to its perfect weight distribution. And the s2000 has a stiffer ride, much stiffer with coilovers.

Don't get me wrong, I love Honda engines. One of my favorite cars of all time was my Integra GSR. But that being said, Honda no longer makes those engines. Their four cylinders now are much more pedestrian and unexciting. Also, the AP2 s2000 got terrible gas mileage compared to the twins.

With no more bolt ons than a Borla UEL header (to eliminate torque valley), drop in filter and a proper tune the twins will run with a stock s2000 and they will still cost a hell of a lot less than the final year s2000s did.

I currently own an AP2 S2k and an FR-S so my opinion is unbiased. Please don't fill your head with ideas that the FRS is as fast as the S2000. Like with most cars, the driver can make it shine or flop.

From my experience on road courses, the FR-S has a long way to go before it can compete with the highly developed s2ks that you find in most track org's advanced groups. I say this as someone who's driven them and driven against them.

It may get there ... but it's not competitive yet.

When did i say, the FRS is "as fast as the s2000"?

The stock s2000 is clearly still faster than a FRS/BRZ with tune/header/intake.

Please read before posting.

I had an AP1 S2000 and have to say so far I really prefer the FR-S. No, it's not as fast, but everything combined make it a better car for me. Can't wait to get to the track!

I hate to take it to you, but in a drag race, you'll never win NA for NA.

Disclaimer: I own a S2000, and drive the CSG BRZ.


Watch this video to see the power difference in action....

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gaArJZOMCpI"]BRZ vs S2000 - YouTube[/ame]



For you two... and especially @AyJay since you're familiar with Buttonwillow... not bad for 4 bolt-ons and tires eh? (brakes, coilovers, wheels, axleback)

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nGBZWkoQO-s"]CSG BRZ Buttonwillow 2:00 lap - YouTube[/ame]

People still street race?

In canada there is no comparison
 

I agree the Honda should clearly beat the FRS. Up here though a new S2000 cost north of $50000, my FRS cost under $26000, Let me add $24000 in mods to my car and see what happens. Actually I will only spend another 8 grand on my car and should easily be able to handle the Honda. Both are awesome cars though. We really have to start comparing all these cars based on equal amounts of money put into them.

Great vids.. Thanks for posting.. Was clear to see the differences as pointed out.. Shows too how the 86 was able to make up time via handling to close the gap some.. But clearly, once the Honda winds up it pulls hard and puts some distance..
So the BRZ doesn't rotate like the Honda because of oversteer? Or is it due to balance?

I definitely agree with you. While I love my fr-s and can't wait to track it, I can't believe how fast some of these s2000's are...

(Track time n/a s2000 1:30.8x at Willow Springs)

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2EZ_J8J912Y"]Naturally Aspirated S2000 at Willow Springs WSIR - 1:30.864 - YouTube[/ame]

I really don't get it, lol. That's faster than any 350z, or even 370z I've seen, and faster than most corvettes (stock form) except the zr1. In comparison, @robispec e85 fr-s with weight reduction +more hit a 1:35.x (which definitely isn't slow its just far from what I see these s2000's doing!)

FR-S definitely wins as a daily driver though, IMO.

Good lap thanks for the post :)

I've seen faster s2000's still, lol... but that's a really good lap :)

EDIT: Is that with e85?

A stock BRZ understeers quick badly...

I know Brian (driver of that car). Car was specifically set up for WSIR that day. Makes maybe 250hp at the crank (~10 over stock).

There's only a handful of s2ks that run Sub-2 at Buttonwillow, and none of them are anywhere near as minimally modified... except perhaps the CSG S2k.

I'm so jelly of you guys. All I have in Oregon is PIR...I have no cool track to even dream of getting to race on or even training on for that matter. Ever sice the rally crash years ago PIR does nothing :/. If my job didn't pay well I'd relocate.

Yes they make the K20/24 engines which are significantly better then the B series, what are you talking about?

K swapping s2ks is becoming more common. I miss the type r and s2k redlined though. I wish the twins had at least an 8k redline

Stock for stock the S2k will be quicker for sure. I had an AP1 with full bolt-ons and 4.77 gears. But I have no doubt that my FRS with E85 will pull nicely on one. Im only 7whp lower on the same dyno than my S2k put down, but lets talk about low end torque. My FRS is making 25-30 lb/ft more the entire rev range. My S2k only made 136tq at the whees, and it didn't see that until a little over 7k rpms. It had under 120 lb/ft below 6k. The FRS with a tune has gobs more torque, and better drivability around town IMO. I hated pulling away from stop lights in my S. Especially with the A/C on in the summer. What a dog!

The K24's still in production are amazing motors even with the reduced redline (ironically down to where our cars are). And I'm not suggesting the twins aren't the better value but just saying the S2k's motor feels much stronger than even the numbers suggest stock vs stock.

We still have an advantage over a stock F20C, even with the torque dip. That is, until they hit VTEC, and we run out of steam...

http://i972.photobucket.com/albums/a...ps07f2b542.jpg

Maybe or maybe not, just an opinion. In fact, we could turn this around and say that your can't get an FR-S for less than mid- $20's right now, but you can get an S2K for $15K (or less even.) So now you have $10k to put into the S2K and nothing to put into the FR-S. So, it just depends on how you look at it.

I had an AP1 S2K before I got the FR-S. Both are great cars. I get about 2 mpg better in the FR-S, which is not really why I bought the car. I find them comparable in many respects. I do not find one to handle significantly better or worse than the other. They feel a little different, but I wouldn't say one was more capable on the street. The Honda (mine was stock, as is the FR-S) was obviously faster in a straight line. Haven't been to the track yet in the FR-S, so no comparison there. It was nice to put the top down on the Honda, I do miss that a bit.

Can't wait to see future N/A FA20 builds. I'd love a 9k rpm fa20, with better cams & internals. Probably get similar (if not better) power numbers to the f20c w/ vtec.

Why yes they do. And apparently it's all the rage these days to do it with children in the car.

http://jalopnik.com/baby-and-teenage...-rac-500301131
http://amarillo.com/news/local-news/...s-racing-wreck
http://redlands.patch.com/groups/edi...-injured-child
http://www.covnews.com/section/1/article/40920/
http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?se...cal&id=8862427

[QUOTE=mistressmotorsports;955705]Maybe or maybe not, just an opinion. In fact, we could turn this around and say that your can't get an FR-S for less than mid- $20's right now, but you can get an S2K for $15K (or less even.) So now you have $10k to put into the S2K and nothing to put into the FR-S. So, it just depends on how you look at it.

I understand what you are saying. I personally like comparing new to new. I have always liked knowing what every single mile on a car has gone through.

That's because those bolt-ons did nothing or possibly even made you LOSE power. Definitely caused some heat soak based on your description too...

Stock for stock...

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y75...psa04a1add.jpg

Hey op

Ask any racer, any real racer. It doesn't matter if you win by an inch or a mile; winning's winning.

Do I know you from s2ki? :)

yeah e85 is kind of a big deal. of course running a different type of fuel is going to change things in a significant way.

Go to The Ridge its a pretty fun track with elevation changes and all


S2K kills our car stock for stock. I have had a quick pull against my friend and its as everyone says we get a head by a bit then vtec and we lose.

I am fine with people comparing the cars but think its a joke when people don't take into account the S2K was a 60k car brand new and came out during the peak of Hondas golden years where the FRS is the first for Toyota "fun" cars in like 15 years so it stands up pretty well imo

Not really, its only 10whp higher than my pumpgas tune...:iono: Not to mention that all the bolt-ons I had and the 4.77 gears were way more of a big deal and labor/cost intensive on my S2K than running a different fuel with a tune in my FRS. Not going to start another S2k vs FRS war, there are plenty on here. All that matters at the end of the day is that I enjoy the FRS on a daily basis far more than my S2k.

Woah faster than any 370z?? Thats a very big overstatement. I use to have a 370z with injen dual intake and stillen exhaust and it would demolish the twins even we have a turbo. The 370z in the straight run on track would pull much harder than that s2000.

Well a 370Z can't carry as much speed through turns as S2000s, so that probably has a lot to do with it.

Wut ?? Drift king from Fast and Furius drove 350Z unbeatable......wwwuuutttt ?