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TylerLieberman 02-14-2012 07:09 PM

Anybody else about to move on?
 
Anybody else just sick of waiting and ready to look at somewhere else as far as a car goes? Kinda irritating knowing the car is shpposed to be coming out in like 2 months and were still missing a bunch of info. Hyundai has released more info and a commercial on the veloster turbo and thats coming out in summer. Acura had a commercial for a car thats still a concept...wtf


scion needs to get off their ass. Im about to go get my deposit back. Im perfectly content with building another s chasis. For the cost of a stock FRS, I can build another street car for whatever i want.

So anybody else on the same boat?

MarkRacerX 02-14-2012 07:16 PM

Yeah can be frustrating, I hear you!

I figure it isn't Spring yet and that has been approx ETA, so I am attempting to keep patient! Glad they are sighting, showing up dif areas, def in the works and Great Reviews! I Can't wait to drive this new platform, Exciting stuff, but def the long wait can be a d r a g.

SUB-FT86 02-14-2012 07:17 PM

I probably won't. It's because I am very picky and other cars on the market besides one other car(GC) isn't for me.

Aki 02-14-2012 07:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TylerLieberman (Post 133979)
Anybody else just sick of waiting and ready to look at somewhere else as far as a car goes? Kinda irritating knowing the car is shpposed to be coming out in like 2 months and were still missing a bunch of info. Hyundai has released more info and a commercial on the veloster turbo and thats coming out in summer. Acura had a commercial for a car thats still a concept...wtf

Veloster Turbo is an added trim to a model that already exists. Very different marketing than an all-new car on a new platform.

Acura having a commercial on a concept was a mistake imo. It's too early, and it engenders the very posts that you're making. Give it two years, and you'll have Acura NSX forum people complaining, "it takes too long!"

Quote:

scion needs to get off their ass. Im about to go get my deposit back. Im perfectly content with building another s chasis. For the cost of a stock FRS, I can build another street car for whatever i want.
You make it sound like car launches are easy, and that they're just purposely delaying it. An all-new car needs to get tested, a lot. If they released it prematurely, this same forum would be blowing up with, "omg why are there so many problems why didn't they wait and polish it moar!"

Longhorn248 02-14-2012 07:29 PM

I'm cool with waiting. May or June is perfectly fine with me. The whole, "must have it now!" attitude is what puts a lot of people into debt to where they're over their heads. IMO patience is most of the time a pretty useful virtue.

Andy 02-14-2012 07:31 PM

Some cars need marketing bullshit....

Some cars don't!


That is all.

Vasilis 02-14-2012 07:31 PM

Yeap I'm with you 200%...

I was doing some math today to organise my financials to see if I can be ready to get the GT86/BRZ and it turns out I'll be paying 3 times more money per month to own a GT86 with 30mpg than to keep my RX8 with 14.7mpg (which isn't the MPG I get, more like a worst case scenario). (Yes I factored my annual 6,000 miles per year with current gas cost here and mpg of each car to the total cost).

You can also factor in depreciation if it matters to you... Massive in a new car after 5 years...But for my $9000 spent on the RX8 ? I doubt I'll lose even half of it if it's in the same condition as now just more miles... It kind of reached a bottom and going to stay there I think regarding value...

Even if I was 100% hyped up to get the GT86 or the BRZ at any cost (whichever came first and had better pricing) but as time goes by and the "upcoming new car smell" is fading and I'm getting used to its look and whatever, I started considering not to get it and freshen up and supercharge my RX8 ... or just do reliability mods on it including a rebuild and buy a 2nd car like an MX5 NC or an RX7 FD (or FB even, I love classics) to satisfy any further cravings :P... Maybe even a cheap Elise (since im in the EU I can get the RHD one from the UK which are quite cheap right now for a 2003 or so model).

Depends on what you drive right now really, if you do drive the Nissan in your signature I am kind of wondering why you would move on to a GT86 in the first place :P

I doubt it will be an upgrade for you, the 240sx is also an iconic car as far as Japanese cars go...


Did you consider getting an S15 ? :D

TylerLieberman 02-14-2012 07:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aki (Post 133988)
Veloster Turbo is an added trim to a model that already exists. Very different marketing than an all-new car on a new platform.

Acura having a commercial on a concept was a mistake imo. It's too early, and it engenders the very posts that you're making. Give it two years, and you'll have Acura NSX forum people complaining, "it takes too long!"



You make it sound like car launches are easy, and that they're just purposely delaying it. An all-new car needs to get tested, a lot. If they released it prematurely, this same forum would be blowing up with, "omg why are there so many problems why didn't they wait and polish it moar!"


True, but for the veloster, there's already a price amongst other specs. Still waiting on the F*ing price for this car........and waiting.....and wainting.








.....yeah, still waiting


As far as the NSX commercial goes, yeah it was too early, but it's kind of stupid how they have a commercial and Scion still hasn't posted there's. Ok, whatever.

Your last point isn't even relevant. The car is done. It's ready to start rolling onto showroom floors and being sold. Yet, still missing a good chunk of info everybody is still waiting for.

RRnold 02-14-2012 07:33 PM

Most of us have been eagerly waiting since '09/10 so consider several more months of waiting as the home stretch. :happy0180:

Chupacabra 02-14-2012 07:38 PM

Nah, I'm hanging in there. No need to cross shop at this point.

I too, am also frustrated at important info not being released, but it's mostly in regards to the financial budgeting I'll need to situate for this car.

86design 02-14-2012 07:41 PM

yeah I could wait...if its late June thats alright with me...I just want the car before the end of July...

Bob 02-14-2012 07:50 PM

Waiting is very difficult, but I understand why we are waiting. I just wish they would release a damn price so I can get my financing in order. That's what pisses me off.

tranzformer 02-14-2012 07:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SUB-FT86 (Post 133983)
I probably won't. It's because I am very picky and other cars on the market besides one other car(GC) isn't for me.

Same here.

tranzformer 02-14-2012 07:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bob (Post 134010)
Waiting is very difficult, but I understand why we are waiting. I just wish they would release a damn price so I can get my financing in order. That's what pisses me off.

You can still get finances in order regardless of knowing price. You have a general idea of what it will be +/- $2-3k.

subatoy 02-14-2012 08:00 PM

I'm in the same boat.
I used to have an 06 wrx which I totally regret selling, I sold it to buy the new WRX but ended up buying a 370z, which bored the crap out of me.
hi-reving engines bore the crap out of me but I want to give the
BRZ a chance at least to test drive it before I go back to the WRX.

old greg 02-14-2012 08:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TylerLieberman (Post 133979)
So anybody else on the same boat?

I'm not quite in the same boat, since I wasn't planning to buy one until next year anyway. But the months and months of teasing and hyping (and still no usdm specs/price) have been leaving a bad taste in my mouth.

The fact is, I don't need a new car, and on a day to day basis my WRX does everything I ask of it. Buying an FRS makes no financial sense for me it's just something I've wanted to do, but lately it's becoming harder and harder to justify.

I've seriously been considering taking the $30k+ (after taxes and interest) I would have spent on an FRS and using it to build an A-Mod instead. Hell, I've already started analyzing the last couple of Solo Nationals courses.

86'd 02-14-2012 08:03 PM

Eh, I'm in no real hurry.

The only cars I'm looking at are a used 2011 WRX, or a FR-S/BRZ. No other cars are appealing to me right now.

The kicker is I'd like to be as close to $20,000 as possible, and none of these cars will be that for at least a year, year and a half.

So unless I can "comfortably afford" the car then I'll have to wait. Unless my wife and I get new jobs or we win the Lotto. :D

Plus like someone else said, people have been waiting for a couple of years; what's a few more weeks months?

balance 02-14-2012 08:03 PM

Yes, I'm moving on.

All the waiting time Scion/Toyota has allowed, made me be more rational about this car and my needs. Instead of buying a brand new FR-S, I can use that money to buy two used cars w/ relatively low miles; one for dd/family and another for track. A much happier choice for the entire family instead of forcing my wife to drive manuals and to fit our young daughter into the cramped backseat of the FR-S.

That said, a reliable source has tipped me that a base FR-S will be somewhere around $23K and Scion/Toyota has been waiting for Hyundai to release the pricing for the new GC. Now that it's been released, I foresee that the pricing info for FR-S/BRZ will also be released soon.

I think that FR-S and BRZ will be a great little fun car as Toyota has been preaching, but is the "Bring back the Fun" mantra going to be enough to mask all of its weak performance figures? Is it really justifiable given its relatively high price tags?

The initial success of this car seems almost guaranteed at this point judging by all the magazine reviews as well as people's reactions especially this forum. However, the long-term success is yet to be seen and also questionable considering the weak performence of this niche segment.

I'm happy with a mere fact that there will be another rwd coupe that is relatively lightweight and affordable. The dying breed, indeed. Hopefully, the ultimate success of FR-S/BRZ will spark other manufacturers to look into this once deserted segment.

Maybe, I will pick one up used in few years. Good luck to ya all!

Zaku 02-14-2012 08:05 PM

I've been doing this since 07 when it was rumors 09 is when the concept showed up. I'm sure they'll curse me with more wait, by April just watch. But you do bring up some good points and that GC is starting to look better and better. But I'm going stick it out and do what I do best, wait some more.

tripjammer 02-14-2012 08:10 PM

There is nothing else new and good out there! The 2013 genesis coupe is over priced...why would you buy that over a 2013 mustang? $34k for a loaded v6 genny coupe? Hell 2 da no!

Everybody wants to know the price. It's still too early. We won't get the pricing until we are able to order. That's what happened in Japan and in europe. We are close guys just hand in there. Buy a old s15 or rx8 or s2000? No way it's time to go new!

We are 3.5 months away...and you do know it could be 3 months after this car comes out before you are able to get one because of demand and production...

delongedoug 02-14-2012 08:15 PM

The release date hasn't changed so what are you freaking out about? Way to make incredibly short sighted decisions.

SUB-FT86 02-14-2012 08:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tripjammer (Post 134030)
There is nothing else new and good out there! The 2013 genesis coupe is over priced...why would you buy that over a 2013 mustang? $34k for a loaded v6 genny coupe? Hell 2 da no!

Everybody wants to know the price. It's still too early. We won't get the pricing until we are able to order. That's what happened in Japan and in europe. We are close guys just hand in there. Buy a old s15 or rx8 or s2000? No way it's time to go new!

We are 3.5 months away...and you do know it could be 3 months after this car comes out before you are able to get one because of demand and production...

43k for a loaded Mustang GT? Hell 2 da no!
35k for a loaded V6 Stang? Hell 2 da no!

I'm just being fair like you.

Verge 02-14-2012 08:19 PM

just hang in there xD like you guys i have been waiting for awhile and now recently all i do is look for more info and just maybe another reason to stay hyped about the car. All the dealer could tell me was i would find out in May :(

xrs 02-14-2012 08:20 PM

Me, I'm waiting, I'm just worried this car is gonna be unaffordable for me since we just leased a 2012 Impreza. I'm in the same boat as most needing to know how much this friggin car is gonna be. I've said it before and I'll say it again, if this car gets over $25k, i'm going used EVO or STI.

Lonewolf 02-14-2012 08:21 PM

Talk about lack of patience...crimony.

Feel free to get a Hyundai...

***For everyone bitching about lack of pricing info...the pricing range for this car should be within 1-2K of where you think it will be. If you are that concerned with a G or two, maybe you shouldn't
be buying a new car.

TylerLieberman 02-14-2012 08:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by old greg (Post 134023)

The fact is, I don't need a new car

THIS!!! I have a 2012 Tc that's perfect for DD. I'm still able to put a grip of money off to the side every month too between myself and my wife. It would be too easy, to get another fun car to play with and keep this-especially when my wife supports it, loves it, and encourages it 100%


Quote:

Originally Posted by tripjammer (Post 134030)

Buy a old s15 or rx8 or s2000? No way it's time to go new!

S15s weren't sold here and finding a complete one that hasn't been destroyed will cost you almost $30k CASH-since it's a grey market vehicle. I'd rather not get an Rx8. Still too pricey for an N/A Rotary that's considerably ugly-My opinion of course.

As for S2Ks, I've never been a fan, but they've grown on me a bit recently.... but I would still NEVER own one. I already know that if I choose to step away from this, I'll be getting into another S13. I would more than likely sell the Tc for the time being, and later down the road, I would get into another DD-probably a used WRX or something along those lines.

Vasilis 02-14-2012 08:28 PM

I'd consider a WRX STI hatchback a better car overall than the GT86 to be honest.

That would be the car in my garage if it didn't cost an arm and a leg here.. It costs 81,000$ !! (Taxation on it alone is around $40,000..)

Still considering a used one tho...

Zaku 02-14-2012 08:36 PM

I wished Honda wouldn't be so blant and get it's game together....a S2k Replacement, a new Integra, a better looking SI, a more beefed up CRZ the return of the Prelude etc etc. That would totally... really but that's a dream world. And remember if you're paying anything close to 29K or 30... you can actually afford a old Cayman or a 370Z

Spaceywilly 02-14-2012 08:44 PM

YES... haha. I am glad you said it and not me but it is exactly what I've been thinking. I just booked a trip to go snowmobiling in Utah with the money that was supposed to be for my downpayment. I'm not giving up though I'm just going to wait until next year when it won't be such a cluster... this car just isn't what I thought it was going to be all these years. I'll still buy one but there's nothing about it that really gets me excited like the original concepts did. Reality has set in and this car is not the second coming of Jesus after all. It's still better than anything else on sale today, but just not worth jumping through hoops for.

IF it is easy to get one this year, and not too expensive, I'll still buy one, but that's looking less and less likely by the day.

and if the rumor about 1200 PER YEAR in the US is true that is just humongous epic failure

slidingRalphy 02-14-2012 08:46 PM

ive been a lurker here for a long time, i couldn't wait any longer so i kinda impulsed bought a 2004 g35 coupe 6 speed with 56k 3 weeks ago, i def do not regret it, i still cant wait for this car to come out in the USA

Guff 02-14-2012 08:53 PM

I'm not about to move on. This car is exactly what I have been waiting for from my favorite manufacturers, so I'll stick around...


But, bro, if it is more practical or financially beneficial for you to just pick up a different or used car, then do it!!! Nobody is forcing you to get a Zx6! We'll like you no matter what car you get!!!

C4RBON 02-14-2012 08:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RRnold (Post 133994)
Most of us have been eagerly waiting since '09/10 so consider several more months of waiting as the home stretch. :happy0180:

Pshtt... 2009... I first heard about this thing summer '08. :) Been waiting ever since.

I'm not going to get one for at least a year... I need a new car like, now. I actually can't wait a few more months. But I needed a more practical car anyway, so the 86 can be my 2nd car.

kmbkk 02-14-2012 09:33 PM

For me, it's not so much waiting on the car, I'm ok with that. It's more just not knowing when or how much. One thing that bugs me is I start deploying soon. So I'd like to know when it's coming out so I can work it out with the dealer.

_hollywood 02-14-2012 09:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bob (Post 134010)
Waiting is very difficult, but I understand why we are waiting. I just wish they would release a damn price so I can get my financing in order. That's what pisses me off.

This...i want to arrange financing etc.....but im willing to wait because i am bored with most available cars...i have seen it all and i want a fresh chassis to start with...i was debating on doing another itr....or maybe an ls1 240sx...but im getting too old for rebuilds, breaking down etc....i just want a reliable fun daily with a nice set of wheels and stance...

But this whole not knowing the price thing is getting a bit annoying....

Re_Invention 02-14-2012 09:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aki (Post 133988)
Veloster Turbo is an added trim to a model that already exists. Very different marketing than an all-new car on a new platform.

Acura having a commercial on a concept was a mistake imo. It's too early, and it engenders the very posts that you're making. Give it two years, and you'll have Acura NSX forum people complaining, "it takes too long!"



You make it sound like car launches are easy, and that they're just purposely delaying it. An all-new car needs to get tested, a lot. If they released it prematurely, this same forum would be blowing up with, "omg why are there so many problems why didn't they wait and polish it moar!"

http://www.zgeek.com/forum/gallery/f...ull-of-win.jpg

:thanks: :happy0180: Spot on.

The price estimate has been known for a long time. If -+$2k is detrimental to your finances, reconsider buying a new car and live within your means.

ichitaka05 02-14-2012 09:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spaceywilly (Post 134071)
YES... haha. I am glad you said it and not me but it is exactly what I've been thinking. I just booked a trip to go snowmobiling in Utah with the money that was supposed to be for my downpayment. I'm not giving up though I'm just going to wait until next year when it won't be such a cluster... this car just isn't what I thought it was going to be all these years. I'll still buy one but there's nothing about it that really gets me excited like the original concepts did. Reality has set in and this car is not the second coming of Jesus after all. It's still better than anything else on sale today, but just not worth jumping through hoops for.

FYI, we haven't had any snow this yr... My friend went snowboarding and she said it sucked really bad. Not much powder snow...

On topic, it's interesting to see new members are going crazy for waiting another 3~6 months wait vs old member are totally fine waiting. I guess, old members here waited ling enough (some are over 2yrs), it doesn't really matter waiting several more months.

Mr. Bigham 02-14-2012 09:57 PM

My wife will only let me borrow her car for so long...she hates car stuff and she can't wait for it to be released!

The Robot Cow 02-14-2012 10:11 PM

I rather wait until they get the car as best as they can get it. They could have easily just given us a rwd corolla and called it a "sports car". Toyota didn't. They have been pouring their blood sweat and tears into this project. This car is going to be something special. Only a few months left to go, we're almost there!!!
Maybe just wait until you can test drive the frs/86/brz before deciding on building another s chassis.

SteelReign 02-14-2012 10:13 PM

I was also in the same boat thinking it might be better to have a dedicated daily driver and a weekend toy...but the Zx6 cars are going to be able to do it all. Daily driving duties along with an autocross car. Just one car to insure and register. Just one car to move if moving residence. Just one car to worry about maintenance. Life is simpler with just one car, especially when you're single with no children and you're living in an apartment.

I suppose a current GTI, Mazdaspeed 3, Genesis coupe, etc could fit the bill but like many other people have posted, its the only one that fits all the criteria I've set forth for the perfect one car.


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