Should one wait for the 2014/2015 model?
 

So, a lot of people on the forums have been quoted saying that they are planning to wait a couple of years to see how things play out.

Will Nissan finally step up and show us this 240zx reincarnation they've been hinting at?
Will Honda finally get the message and bring back the RSX, but this time with RWD?!
Whats mazda doing nowadays?
VW?
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To be perfectly honest, companies will always be hinting at something better "in the near future" to try and keep peoples attention..... Wheres that hover car you've been promising?.... IMO you just have to pick the year for when you want to buy a car and say "What's gonna be available in this year, right now?" then go for it.

Something that everyone seems to be rooting for is a rock bottom low price for the BRZ/FRS. Since to me the the GT-R R35 is to supercars, as the Ft-86 is to sport cars. A great package at a below average price. If you use it as a case point then you can see a problem. Over the years Nissan has been upgrading the GT-R little by little each and every model year. Making it better and faster each year. What use to be an affordable supercar for $80K(USD) is now nearly in the $100K(USD) mark.

Price Reference: http://www.motortrend.com/new_cars/04/nissan/gt_r/

We are talking about a cult car here, so imagine how hard it will be to find a used 2013 6MT in the years following launch. will waiting play out in your favour?

This message has been brought to you by people who can't yet afford one, but at the same time to paranoid to stop thinking about it. =D

:clap: totally agree, especially the pie-in-the-sky promises a few years off. Were only here a short while, if you want the car and can afford it, get it!

Alot of people are sitting waiting to see special editions and Performance versions, We know Scion does RS, we know Subaru is cooking up something and is very tight lip. WE know it's going to be hard as hell to be the first people to get the car, so why struggle and fight over them when you know that one they will be rare on the first year, two if you didn't pre order you might have to pay a much higher premium. Not to mention with all the recalls going on for new cars, it's safe to take precautions.

For my point of view, if you can't afford it then you shouldn't even be thinking about it. If you really want the car and it doesn't really fight with the needs. Trust me you'll be able to afford it one way or another because you just got to have it.

No the note of Honda Don't expect them to come back and fight with RWD, another S maybe but not a RWD RSX. They have much more problems with their own econ box to worry even about the sports department, they've already created enough buzz with the NSX. That will keep them alive for a while, also in Japan articles have came up that they might try to take the version of the American Civic Si make it with abit more Honda dna and fight the 86 with that. Remember, Honda never was famous for it's RWD s2000 during the Coupe Era of the late 80's or the 90's the S came afterwards but what was kicking ass and taking names in that era was their Integra. If they were going to fight back count on another FF.

Nissan will likely watch and we know that VW is going to have a convertible soon. Not to mention Mazda's next plans for the Miata is something even lighter more affordable.

These cars will likely hold value like the S2000 or 350Z for sure, but there isn't anything wrong at all with waiting.

I will probably wait a year or so as there are always problems with new cars no matter who builds them. A brand new chasis with a brand new engine and a new suspension means some improvements will be made for subsequent years. Plus, I still believe a turbo version of the brz will be available in cy 2014 probably as an sti version.

I will be getting it now, not later. Like others, I have been planning this purchase for about 3 months and will have another few months to finalize everything with this car.


Toyota and Subaru have worked hard enough for me to take a big, fat gulp of their purple Kool-Aid (red from Toyota and blue from Subaru)

+1 on getting one ASAP.

And that's hall of fame quote material in my book :lol::laughabove:

Thanks MannyO! Feel free to use it, but I need credit everytime. Not for arrogance points, but only because your friends won't believe that a Chupacabra is on the internet participating in an auto forum. ;)

im not waiting either. Ive been wanting this car for a long while. but now thats its closer than ever im getting SO excited. I dont want to wait for an RS or a turbo version..... IMO buying one N/A the first year and turbo'ing it yourself is much more respectable and "cool"... something that YOU do to the car will get props from me.

being there done that, turboing a car is fun until you have to deal with all the reliability crap, weird car behaviours, problems/issues and even blowing engines.
this engine's ratio is like it's designed to blow if you boost it.
I agree this car needs a freaking turbo but it won't take one without
MAJOR expensive upgrades.

Honestly, I'm a purist so I'm going to trust something that's right out of the factory and is tested with a good warranty. Than what stuff I can do to it, maybe it's because I got older and the mod bug in me is gone. I only want to do very few subtle things to my car, I'm a pragmatic person and I have other things I need to worry about. Doesn't mean I'm not a car guy and won't participate in club activities, I care first and foremost about what my needs are in the car and not to get "Props" from people.

I'm not ricing it out for attention, I'm not flushing it to join a culture, I'm not keeping it stock for resale. I'm making this car for me and me only. And if you're my friend and club members that know me they'll respect that and respect is much better than props.

I'm not saying your way is wrong, this car is made for everyone in every aspect. there is no single way of going about it. As long as you make the Car for you.. the driver, the owner. Because that's why they made this in the first place.

I'm probably speaking for a number of people when I say we're not getting the first years because we don't want to rush right into it, we want a database to work with and some sort of experience from the aftermarket, the manufacturer, and the enthusiast.

So I have alot of respect for the people who are getting the first year, you guys are the pioneers for something great. Thanks!

yes

This is most of my reason for leaving the Audi behind. It's been a great car, and rock solid reliable, and is a blast to drive, but you really have to keep up with maintenance. I was constantly chasing boost leaks, weird boost level issues... even though I made it my business to do it right the first time. Really looking forward to having a car that's fun right from the manufacturer, and I'm looking forward to leaning a N/A power curve :party0030:

Agree with Chan 100% very well said.

Dealers will talk the car up about being hard to attain. But that lasts only the first few months. This is based on my experience and what other people on this forum say they've experienced with any new car launch. It's better to underproduce than overproduce in the beginning. Subie/Yota can react quickly in making production catch up to demand (unless some outside factor makes resources scarce).

For people hoping to snag a secondhand one, it shouldn't be that hard. The price-point makes it more attainable than most RWD coupes + marketing has been crazy so it'll be plentiful. Will original owners keep their cars? Not all, I don't think. Many bandwagon owners will jump out when they realize it's not for them for (feels too cheap, not enough power, etc.). The target age range is late 20's... a volatile age for car ownership. Some may suddenly get married, have their 1st child, buy their 1st house, or get a better job/car. This is not a practical car to keep and would be one of the 1st assets an owner would sell, if necessary.

Zaku, great post. Really captures the passion for these cars. The shared enthusiasm between owners goes beyond what modifications you have and whether or not you race/drift/whatever the car. We can all find common ground with such a versatile platform. It does something for everyone.

Now if we could just get official pricing & options... :popcorn:

Life passes by too quick. There's always something better just around the corner. Unless things turn into an absolute gong show with pricing and ordering once this car is released I can't see myself waiting.

I agree with Zaku, but don't spend too much time waiting for better things. You will never get anything because there is always a better thing.

If you can afford it get it now. You can always upgrade later. Special edition version are just marketing. I wouldn't wait for any turbo version as I doubt there'll be any.

You're right, but I smell Scion FR-S RS 1.0 just around the corner. Well, if we want the car without pre-ordering, we might want to wait for a few months.

I don't care about other people thinking I am "cool". So turboing it myself doesn't appeal to me. Turboing it at all doesn't appeal to me. I have always been a bit of a purist. My AE86 was all motor, albeit highly modified, as will this car. I will make changes to it for how I want it to be, but nothing drastic.
I will be getting one ASAP. Not waiting at all

Rock solid reliable, but you really have to keep up with the maintenance? How is that in any way reliable? Sounds like exactly what every Audi/Volkswagon owner I know who for some reason thinks cars having to go into the shop every couple of months is somehow normal.

Personally I put very few miles on my car so the if there is something amazing about the 2015 model, then it will just be a good reason to trade in my 2013 and get a shiny new one.

I would never wait for a turbo model. But if there was a FA25 I would easily wait for that. If the next gen model have a 2.5 model I will get that model and trade in the 2.0. But if the next gen is still a 2.0 then I will stick with the AS1.

:thumbup:

That's what I'm aiming for whenever i get my hands on the frs/brz. You'll be much happier with your car this way. Spending all your hard earned money on trying to look cool or hip is stupid if you ask me.


Sorry but this is a bit off topic. It just bothers me when people just get a certain car to look cool. I absolutely hate it, it kills it. Don't be blind to follow a trend just because everyone else is doing it. Like Zaku said, build the car to your liking. Thats what i absolutely love about the RWB built cars. They're built without a single F... given to what you think about them, they don't conform to trends or current styles and they turn out to be one helluva car. Pour your heart and soul(and your wallet lol) into your car and it'll be amazing.

Stick with the Kool-Aid because once you start drinking their grape Flavor-Aid you have a whole new set of problems ;)

I wouldn't go that far. While yes the GT-R is a supercar slayer, the 86's will not be the same caliber of "sports car slayer". Handling is one part of the bigger picture, but it lacks the power the GT-R has to stand with exotics at tracks. The 86 is going to get handed here, no two ways about it. IF it came Turbo/Super'd, then things would be a totally different story.

That brings us to the next part. Waiting is different here. Judging by Suby's comments and all the flak Toyota has been taking, FI isn't far off. It could be there as soon as next model year. That's something that will be worth waiting for as it's not just a minor power bump like you usually see, but rather a huge jump. And a huge jump in power in a "lighter" car like this put this car in a totally different league. Of course the price will jump as well, that's one downside, but that FI will more than make up for it.

Also, I learned a long time ago to stay away from 1st run cars with recalls I dealt with every new car besides the one car I bought a year after availability.

LMMFAO!!!!!:lol::bellyroll:

I don't give too many props online, but this made me burst into laughter. Thank you for making my day.

I think I may, Toyota is really beating around the bush with the Scion pricing. It's getting maddening.

Although I must say... I laughed at the VW mark OP... owned a MK4, never will I own a VW again. Besides, VWoA sells a $40,000+ 4 bang turbo'd compact hatchback... The Golf R... That's raped from it's European clone. Yeah I'm good. :thumbsup: Although I may wait, i'm in no rush and I expect the bugs to be present for a couple years within' and around the FA20.

That's is exactly what I'm afraid of.

What the underground public have been craving for is someone to have the balls to bring back another well balanced N/A machine that didn't conform to today's standards of power. What Tada-san has done was exactly that. As long as Mr.Toyoda and Tada-san are in charge I don't ever foresee Toyota personally releasing an FI model. I don't think I'll be eating my words because here's why:

The biggest piece of evidence is the number of high profile tuners that already have the car to play with. Toyota is taking the old school approach where they're supplying a great car foundation and letting the tuning companies develop/build/and test whatever people want added to the car. Be it turbo's, superchargers, or hideous suicide doors. This is not only a revival of a great once thought extinct platform, but a whole underground tuning culture from the 80's and 90's.

Of course, everything I've said here is all purely speculation. But I'm sure I'm not the only one that's developed this mindset after following this car for so long.

Bonus: whenever I start doubting myself, this old interview always puts my mind at ease.

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showt...tada+interview

-Cheers.

I am at least gonna wait till Dec of this year to see if there is still price flux...
and to see if Supply had caught up to demand ... I won't be able to afford
the vehicle unless Subaru offers 0.9 finance or something to that extend.

+1

the temptation for Subaru to not add more power and jump up and compete with a Z will be too much to resist. The interior quality is already on par so a 70-80hp jump would make it very competitive. Figure you add $4k for the turbo model and you still undercut a base Z by several thousand dollars.

plus I believe it has already been stated that the new stand alone WRX will be using a turbo charged variant of this same engine. That is a lot of money to invest and not use it on all the platforms possible. Pretty safe to say that engine won't end up in a forester so that leaves Subaru only 1 place to put it.

I wonder if they'll place the turbo motor it in the Brz Sti model?

I'd be willing to put cash down that they will. The question is when. That will probably depend on how strong demand is. If these cars still are being waitlisted in December then they probably won't release it in the '14 model year, but if there are cars available then I'm sure they will release it to re-ignite the frenzy.

when they first announced the car I wasn't so sure that more power would ever be available, but when Subaru announced that a turbo fa-20 will be developed there was no doubt in my mind that an sti version will be available.

another question to consider is whether scion will offer a bolt on super charger kit like they did for the tc. It would be a total departure for scion to offer a second trim line so any power upgrade from them will likely come in that form. Its possible/likely that the kit could also bolt onto a brz although you wouldn't get the warranty fr-s owners do.

i agree!! doing everything yourself in building your car.... YOUR way is much better!! :happyanim:

also I'm not going to wait!! i'm getting it right when it comes out!! but the BRZ not the FRS

I guess I would say that there is no point in waiting if I was getting an fr-s because I don't think that there will be any changes until the mid cycle refresh.

if price is important to you there is also no point in waiting since each model year will be more expensive and a turbo version will be more expensive still

Honda: I doubt they will make a RWD sports compact. If they do, it'll probably be ugly as sin.
Nissan: A Silvia wouldn't be too much of a stretch, but with the 370Z, I don't think it is likely.
Mazda: New Miata worth waiting for if you think you might want a roadster. New RX7 seems to be unlikely due to financial constraints.
Chevy: Most likely to produce a direct FRS/BRZ competitor with the Code 130R, but still not very likely.

I think you are spot on.

after the dismal failure of the solstice and sky gm won't be taking any gambles on a small low volume rwd coupe. They already have the camaro which has a much wider appeal in this country compared to the niche market the brz fills.

Nissan is also in no position to make another impractical rwd car. All it would do is eat into 370Z sales which starts at $31k. If you want something cheaper they will sell you an altima coupe.

the only reason to wait on buying is for a more powerful version of this car as there is nothing even in the rumor mill about a competing product from another mfr.

Nissan will dump the Altima coupe and come out with a rwd Silvia coupe in the mid $20k range to compete with the as1. If the as1 platform is successful. The 370z is a two seater, a totally different market than the as1.

Chevy will jump in too, but with a much cheaper car. Whoever can get closer to $20k and still have some form of handling magic will be a winner!

The as1 is going to start a renaissance in small lightweight rwd sports cars.