Estimated Price..
 

everyone says its ~20k, but i saw 28k in super street. wut tha fuhk. i'm assuming its wrong, any input?

depends on options, i'm sure. i'm gonna guess $23K or so for the base model, maybe $22K for the "track" model, and the $28K is for a fully loaded version. when i purchased my tacoma, depending on options, they ranged from $16K (regular cab 4x4 4cyl) to $30K (double cab TRD with all options).

-Mike

Those numbers closely match the December info from EVO magazine... I haven't seen any other credible source quote anything differently to this point...

IF they make a Subie version... who knows how that would be equipped or priced.

(I just hope the lowest cost yota version will be above the so-called "under $20K" threshold for Scions! I don't want this branded as a Scion here!!!!)

No indication either what the JDM G Sport version will cost them...

I'm betting $23k base price on the the entry level version, $28k base price for the performance version with the turbo(or rumored 2.5 N/A), and $22k base price for the racing spec version stripped of all amenities.


If this pans out, I'm looking to get the $28k version. Then again, if toyota doesnt offer a turbo, I've never purchased a subaru, but I may look in that direction before I make my purchase. All in all I'd rather have a N/A 2.5 to avoid the turbo reliability issues(one rumor has the 2.5 at around 240hp). I've had 2 turbo performance vehicles and don't like how finicky they can be some times in comparison.

240hp in NA 2.5L? You know how much ridiculous amount of performance parts to make it that much hp? I have read one 2.5L H4 engine made that much power... well technically 300hp.
Zzyzx Motorsports 2.5 RS break 300 NA HP
other than that, I think H6 engine w 250~280hp is more believable.

Sounds about right.


p.s. Isn't there a thread about this already?

Yes but you know there's going to be many many more reposts as the days go by. :sigh:

Very interesting...flat torque curve on a NA motor.

If the 2.0 carries the same characteristics as the 2.5 I am sold.

But as I have heard the 2.0 lacks the low end of the 2.5 by a considerable amount...hmm

sooo, exactly what i said up there^^^ :)

i hope you guys realize that the flat 4 in the FT86 will *likely* be quite different than the flat 4s in current subarus. i'd be extremely surprised if toyota didn't put better heads on, at the very least. and probably run a little higher compression.

-Mike

You know, I can't say for sure. I have only read 2L Turbo lack tq and haven't heard much on 2L NA H4, so I have no clue. My friend's 2.2L H4 (NA) & just regular canyon run, he can keep up with me without problem... but of course he has done bit more tuning in the engine & suspension than mine, but still I think, my friend's 2.2L lack low end for sure... or maybe just gear ratio is different? IDK & my other friend that has 2.5i (170hp/170tq) feel a lot like 2.2L engine. felt like it mellow down a bit in lower end.

HP and tq aren't my major concerns over the engine.


Its about how it feels, how freely it revs, and how it sounds on the high-end. How it reacts to throttle input, I could go on and on...

The engine has HUGE shoes to fill when it comes to being a "spiritual" 86 successor, which by association, a 4A successor.

Frankly, I have plenty of fun in my stock 4A, which can't (Rather couldn't before its current issue popped up) be pushing more than ~80whp.

I already know that being almost .5 litres larger than a 4A, and the fact it won't be TOO much heavier than the AE86, thats its power/weight ratio will be much better than the AE86 and as such, I'll get the feeling of driving a car with more umph behind it. So thats covered, at least for me.

It all comes down to this simple fact: If Toyota wants to continue doning this car as being a 'spiritual' successor to the AE86 than the BIGGEST issue concerning its powerplant, is how it feels. Because quite frankly, a 4A-GE is just fucking fun as all hell to drive. That is a huge part of the AE86's success (and why its still a popular car to this day) and if they drop the ball on that fact, then they've completely failed trying to do a spiritual revival.

I italized / bolded that one part for everyone wanting this car to last a long time and sell well and become a hit. If you're looking at it from the simplest point, two factors made the AE86 a cult classic: Light weight RWD platform / High free-revving, peppy, screaming 4A-GE. The two together created the classic.

Last point: 200hp is all I'll freekin' need to enjoy this car, given they don't fail on reviving the feel of the 4A.

Last last point: There's already a thread for pricing: http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=96

Last last last point: What NESW20 said a few posts up.

You mean people should use the search function? Nevar!!!

I agree with OldSchoolToys that probably 200hp might be all this car needs to have a whale of fun... I just wonder how much the Subie engine (even with the dual injection) will "rev freely"... and what the rpm limit will be... we shall see!

Meh, I have no problems with steering newcomers to older threads.

Pretty sure it can rev up to 8k without problem. Even old GC series STI revved up to 8,250rpm (I can't remember exact revving #, but it's over 8k for sure). Just US ver always been 6,500rpm. If Toyota make the some internal engine parts then, I'm pretty sure it can rev high.

it seems (to me, at least, especially after having personally rebuilt one) that the main thing keeping the revs low on the US spec 2.5L Subaru flat 4 is its COMPLETE inability in stock form to make power any higher than 6000 or so. with a better flowing head and cams it should easily rev to 7500 or so. everything inside the engine seemed fairly light.

-Mike

i hope so :party0030:

Huh? Sorry, you lost me here. New JDM STI has 2.5L H4 engine that is revving up to 8k rpm... while USDM STI is revving up to 6.5k rpm (just like my RS). I thought, it was something to do with ECU that stopping it from going higher rpm for US STI.

oh, i was talking about the n/a ej25 in USDM vehicles, such as legacy's (one friend of mine has an '01 LGT) and imprezas (gf drives '07 2.5i manual). ;) it feels to me like there's just not much power toward redline (in stock form, like i said in my other post), so there's no reason for the engine to rev any higher.

-Mike

Ah~ gotcha. I had mine ECU re-map by iSpeed and can rev up just lil pass 6,750rpm, and don't have much loose power at the end, actually it engine pushes more around the 6,200rpm (my friend call it SVtec = Subaru Vtec lol). True that stock NA 2.5L H4 engine, feels like losing near redline.

i only want the base so 22k is fine for me, any higher is getting a bit pricey. but i do hope it has ~250hp, just for going straight anyways

Trust me, a 2400lb car doesn't need 250hp. If the new one is anything close the old weight, 250 would just be silly. 112hp in the old car felt like a lot when it was screaming at 7.5k rpm. I miss that so much.

Back on topic, it's only current competitor, the Gen Coupe, is base 22k so I'm assuming toyota will aim for that. The Genesis is also much larger, more powerful and probably way better equipped than the FT will be so Toyota might even go cheaper than that. I can hope. Also the Miata is 23.5k and the FT might be aimed squarely at that little guy, so that's the base range for sure.

2.0L Boxer, 200HP@7200RPM (7500 redline), 2500lbs, starting at $20,000USD

USDM NA EJ25s with cams can make power almost all the way to the aforementioned 6750 redline. The JDM EJs turbo'd spin up around 8K.

just to get back on topic here...

Im going to say the price will start at $19,999
and a fully loaded model (assuming it stays toyota and not a scion), will be around $26,000

If it goes to scion, then the price can really get ridiculous, as individual parts from the dealer will be EXPENSIVE.

For example with the Scion tC, if you wanted the Supercharger, LSD, and lip kit from the factory, you would have to pay..

$3200 - Supercharger
$800 - install
$1200 - LSD
$1000 - install
$1000 - lip kit

Thats an extra $7200 plus tax, for a car that costs $17,760. Thats $25k.

And still not fully loaded.

Want coilovers? Add another $1,000
BBK? $1000
Sway bar? $200
Short shifter? $300
Navigation? $1500
18" Wheels? $1300

Thats another $5000

Who the hell in their right mind would pay 30K for a fully loaded scion? Not I. This is where Scion fails.

^^ does sound like craziness..

anybody knows when the price (europeen price if it's possible) will be announced???

I can't keep on seeing all the new pictures of this car everyday on this forum and imagine i couldn't buy it :(

somehow I think so too!

Not that you can't, the question is if you want to spend so much for this car. That is my issue I can buy an 2011 STi or 370Z if I wanted right now, but I don't care to. I held off on the R-Spec Genesis for this car.. I actually really want to wait for the New 1.6L Rotary Mazda RX9 but I've waited long enough and want a new car already.

So I want something NEW, cheap, rwd and fun. If Scion/Subaru doesn't produce this I'm getting a damn used 2010' R Spec 2.0T Genesis and calling it quits.

how much? 30.000 € maxi, i brought my civic 21.500 €, 4 years ago. Now i'd like to change for RWD at first! Then a recent car (because of i came from the civic and the inside is really futurist so i can't buy older)

Some japan carz or BMW 1 only are RWD so i don't have many choice...

I think it will be around $26 for the Scion.

We don't know how much it will be but from our guess and estimates of our current auto market in the US, ~$23,000 USD seems about the average depending what the car comes with. Since the Euro is more valuable It would only cost you around ~17.000 € but that's based on our USD estimated price, you might have to pay more upwards of ~21.000 € due to tax and importation which is still less than your Civic.

The European version will likely cost 27,000 - 28,000 euro not 21,000 .... You guys forget that USA gets stuff for 40% cheaper! a base civic in europe is 19,000 euro. thats like 27,000 US dollars.

I was saying originally around $23,749, but now that I'm thinking about it more and more, doing comparisons on the current offerings on the market. I just don't see how this car would fetch over $20,450 starting manual transmission.

in Italy they say cost about 30000 euro....

I'm thinking more pessimistically so I can hopefully be surprised with a lower price. I think the FR-S will be at least a few thousand more than the tC to differentiate the two, but it will come down to specs and final looks in the end.

yeah....is correct... in italy hyundai genesis cost 29000 euro (2.0 turbo)


and...


now in italy gasoline prices is 1,55 euro/litre :cry::cry::cry:

i think so

in europe, the price are often more expensive... because of somes taxes but especially because they don't want us to buy sport's cars :( Sport's cars means danger... :iono:

When i see how much cost a skyline in japan, or a shelby GT in USA, i'm disgusted... In France, we have nothing compared to

but the base price under 30.000 € seems possible... i hope :)

I was thinking the same thing, but the tC offers more feature standard. Panoramic roof, led side mirrors, 18s, more cargo space, seats 5. It has 180hp and 6spd, So really I can't think of the car being priced above $2k more than the tC. And now just the thought of it possibly being slower or barely edging a tC in the 1/4mile sickens me, let alone the price. :barf:

in usa with 10000euro there's a old corvette......in europe with 10000 euro there's a fiat panda...:cry:

Hm... price tag is something I don't have any info on (I wish, I do).

For US, I'm hoping starts from $21k~$22.5k & adding fun features and total around $24k~$26k... so I pray. LOL