Toyota GR86, 86, FR-S and Subaru BRZ Forum & Owners Community - FT86CLUB

Toyota GR86, 86, FR-S and Subaru BRZ Forum & Owners Community - FT86CLUB (https://www.ft86club.com/forums/index.php)
-   Engine, Exhaust, Transmission (https://www.ft86club.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=8)
-   -   My car kept holding back after 4k rpm (https://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=35870)

Frsexxxy 05-08-2013 01:55 PM

My car kept holding back after 4k rpm
 
Everytime I stepped on it after 4k rpm it was holding back, idk why. Could it be because of the warm whether? I have a white out frs, injen intake, srt header back, and it was tuned. I reflashed it last night and I didn't have this problem again? I was hoping, maybe the white out would reflect the heat.

flippy 05-08-2013 01:57 PM

my guess is bad quality gasoline. lower octane retards the cam timing.

xjohnx 05-08-2013 01:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frsexxxy (Post 919720)
Everytime I stepped on it after 4k rpm it was holding back, idk why. Could it be because of the warm whether? I have a white out frs, injen intake, srt header back, and it was tuned. I reflashed it last night and I didn't have this problem again? I was hoping, maybe the white out would reflect the heat.

Could be the intake, next time it happens get some logs and send them to your tuner.

Frsexxxy 05-08-2013 01:59 PM

Bad quality like how?

I always use premium 93 octane. I was thinking the same thing
Quote:

Originally Posted by flippy (Post 919723)
my guess is bad quality gasoline. lower octane retards the cam timing.


flippy 05-08-2013 02:15 PM

hmmm depends what brand of gasoline. some use more additives and some not as much. or it could also be just a bad batch like with a lot of dirt and crap in it.

http://www.toptiergas.com/

King Tut 05-08-2013 02:21 PM

Readjust your butt dyno.

cfusionpm 05-08-2013 02:27 PM

In warm temperatures, the ecu dials back the hp. It was documented in a recent YouTube video posted here. Showed something like 15hp drop after back to back dyno runs without letting it cool.

xjohnx 05-08-2013 02:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cfusionpm (Post 919834)
In warm temperatures, the ecu dials back the hp. It was documented in a recent YouTube video posted here. Showed something like 15hp drop after back to back dyno runs without letting it cool.

Theres a difference between warm temperatures and doing back to back dyno runs. Dyno runs you're not getting anywhere near the volume of air through the car that you would get on a highway. I seriously doubt that heat is the issue here, especially if the issue went away with a reflash.

Gary in NJ 05-08-2013 02:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frsexxxy (Post 919720)
I was hoping, maybe the white out would reflect the heat.

You're kidding, right?

mad_sb 05-08-2013 03:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by flippy (Post 919723)
my guess is bad quality gasoline. lower octane retards the cam timing.

ignition timing not cam timing
@Frsexxxy you probably either had learned knock retard or large positive long term fuel trims... my guess is the fuel trims because if you had knock retard before the flash, with no other changes, you would have it again.

NickFRS 05-08-2013 03:15 PM

Turn off your A/c

cfusionpm 05-08-2013 03:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xjohnx (Post 919898)
Theres a difference between warm temperatures and doing back to back dyno runs. Dyno runs you're not getting anywhere near the volume of air through the car that you would get on a highway. I seriously doubt that heat is the issue here, especially if the issue went away with a reflash.

The video can be seen here: http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=35653

I'm just taking his word for it.

Frsexxxy 05-09-2013 01:10 AM

Lol no,
I always get white cars because they reflect heat. My 240 was white, my integra was white, and my frs is white
Quote:

Originally Posted by Gary in NJ (Post 919907)
You're kidding, right?


Blighty 05-09-2013 06:49 AM

I've always wondered if the excellent seal of the engine bay, hood and bottom, causes a heat build-up.

I don't know about anyone else, but my engine bay is much hotter than my previous cars, without hard or prolonged driving.

I really want the side panels to vent - anyone done mods to that effect?

xjohnx 05-09-2013 07:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blighty (Post 921713)
I really want the side panels to vent - anyone done mods to that effect?

You'd have to do some major modifications as the faux vent attaches to the outer fender skin. The inner skin is solid.

mad_sb 05-09-2013 07:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blighty (Post 921713)
I've always wondered if the excellent seal of the engine bay, hood and bottom, causes a heat build-up.

I don't know about anyone else, but my engine bay is much hotter than my previous cars, without hard or prolonged driving.

I really want the side panels to vent - anyone done mods to that effect?

Fairly sure the air moving under the car creates a low pressure (relatively speaking) zone at the back of the undertray to give the air that passes into the engine bay a passage out.

Gary in NJ 05-09-2013 07:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frsexxxy (Post 921403)
Lol no,
I always get white cars because they reflect heat. My 240 was white, my integra was white, and my frs is white

Feel free to expand your color pallet. The exterior color of the car has zero effect on the operation and function of the engine. If this were true, every race car in the world would be white.

CaptainSlow 05-09-2013 07:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frsexxxy (Post 921403)
Lol no,
I always get white cars because they reflect heat. My 240 was white, my integra was white, and my frs is white

The heat from the sun has next to no impact on anything going on in the engine bay compared to the little device harnessing the power of a series of thousands of controlled explosions to create power

Also, define "holding back"...isn't that right about where the torque dip is? Maybe "step on it" a bit lower down in the revs (or a bit higher)

Blighty 05-09-2013 08:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mad_sb (Post 921731)
Fairly sure the air moving under the car creates a low pressure (relatively speaking) zone at the back of the undertray to give the air that passes into the engine bay a passage out.

Thanks for that.

Well, I guess I'm saying that whatever escape the air has, it's not very effective in observation. But I'd like to know if anyone else observes the same thing.

Blighty 05-09-2013 08:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xjohnx (Post 921728)
You'd have to do some major modifications as the faux vent attaches to the outer fender skin. The inner skin is solid.

So long as it's not going to impact on any safety feature, is there any reason why you can't just cut underneath?

xjohnx 05-09-2013 08:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blighty (Post 921785)
So long as it's not going to impact on any safety feature, is there any reason why you can't just cut underneath?

I can't imagine hacking away at the metal there. You're so close to the strut top mounts, I'd be weary of doing anything near there.

Blighty 05-09-2013 08:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xjohnx (Post 921789)
I can't imagine hacking away at the metal there. You're so close to the strut top mounts, I'd be weary of doing anything near there.

I was hoping it was just a small amount of panel that would require cutting. Not struts... :/

Frsexxxy 05-09-2013 01:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xjohnx (Post 919729)
Could be the intake, next time it happens get some logs and send them to your tuner.

How do I do that? It must be the tune because I flashed it back to stock and now the response is much better. It's an ecutek rom

xjohnx 05-09-2013 01:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frsexxxy (Post 922499)
How do I do that? It must be the tune because I flashed it back to stock and now the response is much better. It's an ecutek rom

http://blog.perrinperformance.com/ho...cuteks-proecu/ this should help

Frsexxxy 05-09-2013 02:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xjohnx (Post 922528)

I'll try this so hopefully I could get my car back on track

mad_sb 05-09-2013 04:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frsexxxy (Post 922499)
How do I do that? It must be the tune because I flashed it back to stock and now the response is much better. It's an ecutek rom

You did not mention that you flashed it back to stock in the original post, just that you reflashed it (I assumed you flashed the same rom back in it)... that changes a few things.. bad gas (and the knock retard that would ensue) seems much more likely to me now. Stock rom starts out with retarded timing and slowly adds it in. You also reset your fuel trims. you may want to give it a few days and see if the symptoms come back on the stock rom.

Either way, you need to get with your tuner and see how they want you to proceed.


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 11:55 AM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2026, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
User Alert System provided by Advanced User Tagging v3.3.0 (Lite) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2026 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.


Garage vBulletin Plugins by Drive Thru Online, Inc.