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N_I_N 05-06-2013 10:13 AM

I came back from the track with MORE tire?
 
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I have a 2 hour drive home from Sebring. I did my first track day in the FR-S on the stock everything. I noticed some vibration on the drive home. Now I see what it was. I had picked up all kinds of rubber from the track. I came back with more than I arrived with I think... :D

The car did great, and I had no issues except when I first got on track I was braking too early and too long so I had some slight fade into turn 10 once. My instructor told me to be more confident with braking and try to wait longer before hitting them - but really hit them when it's time. This should build less heat. That worked. for the rest of the day, I had no issues with my brakes. Having said that, I think I was only at about 75-80% of what the car could do so that might be why too. Taking it easy to start with...

smbstyle 05-06-2013 10:48 AM

Nice meeting you there! I was the guy at tech and registration (Scott).

Glad everything worked out stock. Driving at 7/10ths for the day is the reason why you didn't have any major issues with the brakes, which is good. Much better than paying that money trying to get one "hot lap" in the car at 10/10ths before the pads are glazed and fluid is boiled and you're day is done.

I know Ramon, one of the instructors you were talking to with the White FRS, and myself will be down there in June with our cars, and I believe we'll have a few more BRZ's/FRS's there in June as well.

N_I_N 05-06-2013 10:52 AM

I hope I can do that one too... I put my RPF1's on yesterday.

Tt3Sheppard 05-06-2013 01:49 PM

Good to know Sebring didn't toast the stock brakes and tires with moderate pushing of the car.

N_I_N 05-06-2013 02:04 PM

What I started to do was not accelerate all the way up until the last instant that I needed to brake. When approaching turns 1, 10, and 17, I would just lift a few seconds before I needed to brake and just let the engine slow me down. I would still take all the turns at 85-90% and still thoroughly enjoyed myself without killing my brakes. I did 10-16 pretty much as fast as I wanted without any special treatment.

The other thing I noticed was that other than the back straight, I could pretty much just use 3rd and 4th gear. I don't think any turns benefit from using second. Maybe the hairpin but that might be it - and even then I doubt it... Just my $0.02.

orthojoe 05-06-2013 02:46 PM

That tire slag won't be an issue once you start driving faster. The novice/intermediates always seem to have this issue. The problem goes away immediately once you start screaming around the corners and hammering the brakes. All that slag comes off quickly then. Something to shoot for. ;)

smbstyle 05-06-2013 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by orthojoe (Post 914522)
That tire slag won't be an issue once you start driving faster. The novice/intermediates always seem to have this issue. The problem goes away immediately once you start screaming around the corners and hammering the brakes. All that slag comes off quickly then. Something to shoot for. ;)

No, not really; that is the marbles or "clag" being picked up on track by your hot, sticky tires.

orthojoe 05-06-2013 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by smbstyle (Post 914588)
No, not really; that is the marbles or "clag" being picked up on track by your hot, sticky tires.

Yes. I know how that stuff gets on tires. What is your point? That tire 'clag' will come off when you drive more aggressively.

I used to have the problem when I was a novice. The wheels would start vibrating from being unbalanced. I don't have that problem anymore.

smbstyle 05-06-2013 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by orthojoe (Post 914605)
Yes. Your point? That tire 'clag' will comes off when you drive more aggressively.

You said the issue wont be present if you drive faster; that's not correct. It's not novice drivers that pick this up, it's everyone. On the in-lap at Sebring, EVERYONE picks it up on the back straight into 17 as you pull towards the right; off the normal line where all the marbles are.

Dave-ROR 05-06-2013 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by orthojoe (Post 914522)
That tire slag won't be an issue once you start driving faster. The novice/intermediates always seem to have this issue. The problem goes away immediately once you start screaming around the corners and hammering the brakes. All that slag comes off quickly then. Something to shoot for. ;)

There will still be some from cool down laps, etc. I drive plenty aggressively (probably too aggressively) and I still get marbles. I do get a lot more on the wheel than the tires of course, but the tires will pick up plenty of crap during cool down, driving around paddocks, etc.

Dave-ROR 05-06-2013 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by smbstyle (Post 914619)
You said the issue wont be present if you drive faster; that's not correct. It's not novice drivers that pick this up, it's everyone. On the in-lap at Sebring, EVERYONE picks it up on the back straight into 17 as you pull towards the right; off the normal line where all the marbles are.

This.

Hopefully I'll be there in June too, need to setup the R2s..

smbstyle 05-06-2013 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave-ROR (Post 914623)
This.

Hopefully I'll be there in June too, need to setup the R2s..

Nice! We've got a few people coming in June. Ramon, the instructor with a white FRS, just threw on some KWs and other goodies, and should be there too.

orthojoe 05-06-2013 03:37 PM

I guess I need to work on my cool down laps. I barely get this stuff on my tires anymore. Certainly not enough to cause vibration and unbalance the wheel like the OP.

N_I_N 05-06-2013 03:49 PM

It wasn't very pronounced, but I noticed it. I was just surprised it had not worn off after 120 miles of driving.

Dezoris 05-06-2013 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by N_I_N (Post 914694)
It wasn't very pronounced, but I noticed it. I was just surprised it had not worn off after 120 miles of driving.

Scrub those tires!

maj75 05-06-2013 06:43 PM

Hope you enjoyed the Event!

My son and I were driving over the bridge over Turn 17 in my Whiteout FR-S when we passed a Hot Lava that was headed out. Was that you? First Lava FRS I have seen in person.

We notice that on the way home after the event, ribbons of built up rubber start to come off and flap around the wheelwells. It happens every time in almost the exact same place, right before Okeechobie.

Great day, great event and every time I do a session, I love the car more :)

smbstyle 05-06-2013 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by maj75 (Post 915151)
Hope you enjoyed the Event!

My son and I were driving over the bridge over Turn 17 in my Whiteout FR-S when we passed a Hot Lava that was headed out. Was that you? First Lava FRS I have seen in person.

We notice that on the way home after the event, ribbons of built up rubber start to come off and flap around the wheelwells. It happens every time in almost the exact same place, right before Okeechobie.

Great day, great event and every time I do a session, I love the car more :)

Hey, you coming back down in June? Nice seeing you again!

Dave-ROR 05-06-2013 07:26 PM

You guys signing up for Chin in June I assume? Sat or Sun?

smbstyle 05-06-2013 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave-ROR (Post 915267)
You guys signing up for Chin in June I assume? Sat or Sun?

Yes, I'll def be there Saturday, hopefully Sunday depending on my schedule. @fldoc should be there as well

Amalgamo 05-06-2013 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by smbstyle (Post 915313)
Yes, I'll def be there Saturday, hopefully Sunday depending on my schedule. @fldoc should be there as well

Hey Scott, I was the white brz with the black rays rims. Nice meeting you, and @NIN too.
Going back in June as well. It was a blast this past Saturday. Car is just getting better and better.

Amalgamo 05-06-2013 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave-ROR (Post 915267)
You guys signing up for Chin in June I assume? Sat or Sun?

With Chin Saturday for me. Hope to see you there.

N_I_N 05-06-2013 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by maj75 (Post 915151)
Hope you enjoyed the Event!

My son and I were driving over the bridge over Turn 17 in my Whiteout FR-S when we passed a Hot Lava that was headed out. Was that you? First Lava FRS I have seen in person.

We notice that on the way home after the event, ribbons of built up rubber start to come off and flap around the wheelwells. It happens every time in almost the exact same place, right before Okeechobie.

Great day, great event and every time I do a session, I love the car more :)

That was me... :)

johhnc479 05-06-2013 09:46 PM

Find an autox next weekend. That'll take care of the clag.

mark7s4 05-06-2013 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave-ROR (Post 915267)
You guys signing up for Chin in June I assume? Sat or Sun?

I'll be there on Sunday for the June Chin event. It was good meeting you Maj75 on Sunday. I was in the #1 FRS. 3 White FR-S's was a good showing for that day.

maj75 05-06-2013 10:28 PM

I'm still not sure how my schedule will be for June.

My new FRS (blue) is supposed to get delivered at the end of May. Not sure it will be ready.

Doborder 05-07-2013 12:38 AM

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Originally Posted by orthojoe (Post 914605)
Yes. I know how that stuff gets on tires. What is your point? That tire 'clag' will come off when you drive more aggressively.

I used to have the problem when I was a novice. The wheels would start vibrating from being unbalanced. I don't have that problem anymore.

I concur, this is rarely a problem now.. but then again, I am also not on street tires anymore... R compound seems to cure this pretty quickly, especially on the way home

fldoc 05-07-2013 06:37 AM

Good to see a strong FR-S showing for June. I'm already signed up for Saturday the 8th I believe. As Scott mentioned last weekend, we should get some BRZ/FRS Cup Series going at Sebring since it looks like there will be at least 4-5 of us each event.

Can't wait to get my baby back from the shop...

Ramon

N_I_N 05-07-2013 09:56 AM

I'm clearing the June event with headquarters (wife). I pretty sure it's a go though since I won't be able to do the August event.

Dave-ROR 05-07-2013 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by fldoc (Post 916311)
Good to see a strong FR-S showing for June. I'm already signed up for Saturday the 8th I believe. As Scott mentioned last weekend, we should get some BRZ/FRS Cup Series going at Sebring since it looks like there will be at least 4-5 of us each event.

Can't wait to get my baby back from the shop...

Ramon

So we can document how slow I am? :)

What happened to the car?

raul 05-07-2013 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by fldoc (Post 916311)
Good to see a strong FR-S showing for June. I'm already signed up for Saturday the 8th I believe. As Scott mentioned last weekend, we should get some BRZ/FRS Cup Series going at Sebring since it looks like there will be at least 4-5 of us each event.

Can't wait to get my baby back from the shop...

Ramon

If I could find out when it would be happening I would be so down for this.

xwd 05-07-2013 12:11 PM

In autocross that stuff is generally called OPR, "Others Peoples Rubber."

It's so bad at nationals due to the R-compound tires people use electric tire scrapers/chisels to remove it otherwise it causes real issues.

fldoc 05-07-2013 07:26 PM

Nothing happened to the car Dave. It's down south getting corner balanced but wasn't ready in time for last weekend. Should be ready next week.


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