Trunk with pop up wing
 

Edit: inb4 all the flame and rant why this doesn't look good, it's about the idea of such a wing, not this one in particular NOR the body kit !
Edit 2 : Changed the picture for obvious reasons :p thanks jshadeck !


We need a company that can bring this into our lives. Maybe a bit wider and/or higher, but I totally love the idea.

If only I had the proper skills and knowledge to manufacture something like this :D

Your thoughts?

http://zeocars.com/wp-content/upload...spoiler-6-.jpg

The best i can say from this pic, is it goes w that car just fine. Id have to see a stock frs designed one to say if id ever want it myself, and only if it was 100% functional

I'd buy it!!!

Talk about a wana be Audi R8.... honestly, why add all that unnecessary weight of actuators and sensors and what have you instead of just installing a nice, lightweight, functional spoiler?

On another note, im really tired of people and shops developing body kits that make the car look like another. Its an FR-S/BRZ, its not a v10, its not twin turbo, its not a supercar, its not awd, please just quit with all this nonsense... It comes off as a large pot of rice..

Mebbe a system to take the current BRZ limited spoiler and raise it at speed would be cool... functional? I have no clue..

ew.. that looks awful in my opinion. and why would anybody wanna turn their car into a look alike of another car? it just makes you look like an idiot.. i honestly would laugh if i ever saw this thing driving around. but thats just my opinion.

Christ, I'm talking about the idea of the spoiler not the ugly wannabe body kit :bonk:

The active spoiler was made FOR that car... idk how you would plan on someone making a functional rising spoiler... to me, its pointless... your not going to see excess speeds where your brakes wouldn't be sufficient enough to stop... I just see no point in this thought. sorry. But i guess im just a person who would rather have something that was needed than just to look "cool" aka ricey.

Wait, I don't get it. So it's like a little lid? You can push it down on the trunk to close it? Or keep it up like a spoiler? What's the point? And a functioning one would be pretty pricey too.

Trunk with pop up wing
 

For those who dont understand what the purpose of the design is, they are designed to tuck away below a certain mph (usually below 60 or so) as all a spoiler does at those speeds is cause drag and slow u down. But above x mph it raises (some adjust more so as speed increases) to provide downforce to counter act the natural rear end lift most street cars are prone to.

Edit: as seen on porsches, mclarens, bugattis to name a few

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FYI, that car a project car for some school or something like that. So don't think that you guys might be able to get the kit. It's a one-off. :mad0259:;)

I like how the trunk is some-what flush with the tail lights. Or am I just seeing things? :iono:

Is this the next thing? Making an 86 into everything? First LFA now R8. Whats next? 458 Italia or Aston Martin?

DAMN I'm offended by that R8 wannabe piece of crap! :thumbdown:

Thanks for elaborating, was what I was aiming at.

For those saying our car doesn't make enough power to justify a setup like this, go to the forced induction section and think again.

Then again a standard audi TT or A7 doesn't either and they can get away with it...:lol:

Trunk with pop up wing
 

OP, you should crop the pic to show just the trunk lid as it seems everyone is getting off track looking at the body kit (which has its own thread if u wish to discuss the r8 and lfa kits)

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24965

Active aero will be extremely pricey... for any car.

changed it:thumbsup:

It'll cost more than the car for it to be functional.
This isn't just about lifting the wing only at high speed, to allow reduction of drag at low speed as another poster had stated.

I'm sure the active aero built by someone in their garage is the same as those designed and tested by aerodynamic engineers in wind tunnels.

The TT and A7 both have an unusual design that produces higher than average lift at the rear. Read up on the MK1 TT and the accidents. Audi wants to prevent that from happening again, and maybe they don't want spoilers hanging off the rear of their cars with "only" 200hp. Leave them to performance cars like the TT RS or the R8 GT.

I think this justifies why Audi actually went through the trouble of designing the aero system on those two cars, instead of just sticking a piece of plastic on the rear and calling it a day.

I want no part of this "kit", i understand your talking about the active spoiler, but seriously... It would have no use. For most here, they want drag and downforce because the autox the car and things of that sort. If you don't need it for that, then you won't be reaching corner speeds that you would need such a setup for. I don't think you will be tracking and competing in the Nurburgring.... Just sayn...

Have you tried taking a look into Porsche's design for their rising rear wing? You could probably find a wrecked one and then bastardize your OEM trunk with the electronics/motors/whatever magical unicorn parts Porsche uses.

Had the op gone with a different approach about the rising spoiler then I believe most wouldn't be so negative about it. Maybe in terms of, "You like spoilers, but don't need a spoiler present all the time. Then how about a pop-up spoiler?"
Now I'd think that would be decent idea, just don't get so carried away thinking your a badass of some sort though. :iono:

With that being said, I completely agree with others saying there's no point to it. Cause lets face it, the majority that own this car will not have it at excessive high speeds all the time, which is what the pop-up spoiler was aimed for.

I thought Porsche used it to cool their oil or something along those lines?

that's an LFA man, the R8 wants to be a LFA, definitely not the other way around.

Also in another direction with this, active aero on a FR-S/BRZ would be beast. The idea of having a variable angle of incidence spoiler( Think maximum down force spoiler with speed as the controlling authority deciding the angle at which it is positioned, until a certain speed is reached where it maintains a set position, until the breaks are applied and it acts as an air brake.) would make, a fixed pitch one look like child's play. The idea isn't, "omg, lets copy higher end cars." It's lets improve this platform. We are the soul behind the engineers in the aftermarket community. People who want the best possible from their car.

So me, I'm down. I bought a turbo to trounce every other FR-S/BRZ that didnt have FI, the mustangs, the this and thats on the track and on the street. This will only aid in that.
So stop downing good ideas for vehicle improvement, that's just lame.

What?? No where on that car is a "good idea". Its horrible. Good job on the development, but damn, Audi makes R8's you can buy all day long that come with the active spoiler, don't want that, go try to buy an LFA, can't find one of those, go buy a Bugatti, if all else fails, go buy a Chrystler Crossfire...

The technology for this is out there and has been for some time even in the aftermarket.

I remember almost 10 years ago I went to the Fukuoka Auto Salon in Japan and Apex'i was showcasing a carbon fiber GT wing that was controlled by a small box on the dash that looked very similar to the SAFC II. There was also a small airspeed meter that was mounted in the grill area and wired directly to the controller.

All the driver had to do was enter in a kg/cm sq (or lbs/ft sq) value and the wing would adjust its angle depending on vehicle speed. It was very clever but I'm not sure if it was ever brought to market.

The rest would be pretty simple but in order to support the weight of the wing and maximum possible down-force, the hydraulics would have to be fairly robust (meaning heavy). Also this would completely rule out you ever using your trunk ever again.

While it would be cool for the "wow factor" and car shows, I don't think it has a place in racing or HPD due to the added weight and any design that could be incorporated into a trunk lid wouldn't be nearly as efficient as a permanently mounted, purposed wing.

Just my .02c.

Scott

Well if you guys dont care about pop up wing but a fixed one that moves look up aeromotions

As a kit I think this would be pointless and cheesy. However as someone who likes to tinker with this kind of stuff, if I had made this as a one off for my own car then I'd be pretty proud.

I'd like to see it done, especially if it looks very good. The boxster had a very small pop-up rear spoiler that was real stealth.

http://www.seriouswheels.com/pics-20...r-1024x768.jpg

They don't come from the factory with this technology because:
1. Price. It's expensive to make
2. Price. It's expensive to R&D
3. Design philosophy. The BRZ/FR-S/GT86 was meant to be a simple, lightweight, sporty RWD coupe that got back to the basics of driving dynamics. Something like this would spoil that philosophy.

That being said, without going into too much detail about the aerodynamic benefits (there are many), I will point out the difficulties to manufacturing something like this:
1. Aero R&D must be done
2. How do you want the system to be activated? Porsche-type systems are easy where they only deploy above a certain speed. McLaren-type systems are also easy where it is brake-pressure dependent (I believe). Bugatti uses a combination of the Porsche and McLaren system. Pagani-type systems depend on vehicle speed, brake pressure, and vehicle accelerations, which means you need a gyro and someone to code a microprocessor to monitor and activate these systems.
3. How is your system actuated? A servo motor is most likely, but then you need to figure out the draw from the electrical system and take that into account. You need to spec a servo that is fast, strong and accurate enough to do the job. If it is highly active like the Pagani system, you also have to take heat management into account so the servos don't burn out.
4. How and where do you package the bits? All those cars have engines in the rear, so there's still a usable trunk in the front. If you did this to the BRZ/FR-S/GT86, would you be okay with losing the trunk space?
5. You have to account for all the mechanical bits and making sure they're up to the job in the environment they see with repeated usage. You have to make sure they'll work in sun, rain, snow, salt, and wind.
6. You need to design a new trunk lid to accommodate the new system. The trunk usability is sacrificed, but the seals still need to be watertight and remain that way.
7. Weight is now increased and balance shifted rearward, that needs to be taken into account to see how the dynamics are changed.
8. Aero balance is also changed. See above.
9. Cost

And that's all I can think of at the top of my head. As you can see, to develop a good, comprehensive system. A lot of careful thought and planning is required. Will there be substantial benefits? In terms of performance, I think so, as active aero affects lap times so much it's still banned in most forms of racing. However, what are you willing to give up for a system like this?

If I had a nice garage and a spare trunk and a duckbill spoiler, sounds like something that could be done easily with an arduino and some standard parts...and patience.

That's just for the control system. How would you design your feedback loop? What about all the other aspects? Not trying to say it's impossible. Just trying to be thorough.

I think the factory LTD spoiler popping up under braking would be sweet. Im no software programmer but I have some ideas how the hardware side could work. Would probably have to sacrifice a trunk lid in R&D.

The wing could be programmed to only lift when the car is above a certain speed and a brake pressure threshold is reached.

I would paint something funny on the underside, only to be seen while braking.

But yes our cars unless with major FI are probably not fast enough to justify it. However most things we do to our cars are just what we think is cool anyway.

Question one. Can you give up all that trunk space and have a completely useless folding back seats for about $1000+ dollars for a "look"?
Question two. How much do you plan on spending to make this actually work right. With all the sensors, motors, parts and development?
Question three. Do you actually plan on using this for what it was developed for in the first place? Do you road race, do you pull excessive corner g's that you need this, do you plan on needing a wing to help you stop because your brakes aren't good enough?

Sum. I guarantee you that no one will get this produced in large enough quantity to even think about selling this to the public. It has no use for us, it costs wayyy more than what you would think it does, and im pretty sure you nor anyone else would want all this trouble installing it or having to give up their back cargo area.

I understand you think its cool, but if you want this, go buy a used Chrystler Crossfire. They have one. Or find a wrecked one and salvage that one. Sorry man, just don't see how this would be interesting for any of us.

I wonder how the VW Beetle packaged it, being at the top of the rear window.

I like the idea of it. It's pretty cool. But all I can think about is the added weight and possibly reduced trunk space. Not to mention it's another thing that can break.

I like the idea, but in the end, its about functionality which costs $$$.

http://i39.tinypic.com/2vvjj2w.jpg

Oh crap, seems like not too many of you guys figured out I wasn't really serious when writing this topic:bonk:

Anyway even if I was serious, a spoiler (be it a fixed one or a pop up one like I suggested) has it's function even on a low powered car like ours.

I think we all have felt already that when you go really fast the car starts to feel a tad too light on its feet.
Can't really tell how big the impact of wider wheels and lowering the car would be as I still have to make those changes to my car. But plain stock it could use some more downforce -imho-.

Hypothetically speaking a system like it wouldn't necessarily have to be heavy nor should it take that much cargo space.(realised that when I opened the trunk earlier today,there's plenty of space right under the trunk lid).


Ah well, let this topic rest and let's enjoy our cars some more !:burnrubber:

Just my .02:

keep it simple, 2 position so you can use a relatively simple solenoid, then it's just a matter of deciding when to power the system to switch said solenoid to the second position. Perhaps just use it as an angle of attack position change for an existing spoiler, say high angle for low speed stuff and low angle for higher speed stuff. that would make it more feasible, lighter weight, and MUCH easier to control.