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Hachiroku 01-27-2012 12:32 PM

Top Gear Calls Toyota GT 86 one of the best driving sports cars of the last decade
 
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TOYOTA GT 86 DRIVEN

We first drove Toyota's GT 86 on a racetrack in Japan, but that was inconclusive, as we never got out of third gear. Now we have a better picture, a picture that extends all the way to fourth, fifth and even sixth gears. Lucky us.

And we're closer to home now as well, at the Jarama racetrack near Madrid. Still a closed circuit though, so still no real road driving impressions which is frustrating, but if this thing disappoints on the road I'm prepared to munch on important bits of my own anatomy. Because it's really, really good.

So how different is it to its twin sister, the Subaru BRZ? I spent a whole day in the BRZ at Subaru's test track late last year, so this is where you expect me to say no, to say there are small but definable differences between the Subaru and Toyota. Possibly while scratching my chin and looking thoughtful. But there aren't.

Well, there are supposed to be. Toyota's chief engineer on the GT 86, Tetsuya Tada-san tells me there are tiny changes in the spring and damper settings, and in a chin-scratching phase while on track I thought the GT felt marginally softer. But that could simply have been down to the fact the tyres and brakes were cooked after some Swiss hotfoot had been pummelling it five minutes earlier.

In essence they're identical, and identically excellent. The GT 86 is light on its feet, not dainty exactly, but super accurate and so well balanced. I know it's not especially relevant, but the ease with which this thing lets go at the back end is so refreshing, and even when not arsing about it's just a joyful thing.

Tada-san told me there were three key elements to the car for him, things he (together with his opposite number at Subaru, Toshio Masuda) had to fight for tooth and nail. One was to steer clear of turbocharging, the second was that it should be rear-wheel drive and the final one was to use narrow tyres. I love that. And it's not just that the 215/45 R17's aren't oversized, it's that they're not a sports tyre either. They're Michelin Primacys for heaven's sake - as fitted to the Prius.

So they flex a bit, squeal a lot and aren't too grippy. Tada-san is emphatic that lap times don't matter here, what matters is if the driver gets out with a smile on his face. I am in complete agreement. Yes, it's nice to boast to your mates that your car beats theirs around the ‘Ring, but wouldn't you rather drive a road car that's actually been set-up to drive properly on the road, not the track? I would.

Toyota is maintaining the façade that these are still prototypes, but Tada-san told me that just applies to the interior fixtures and fittings and that the dynamics are finalised. Great, because off the top of my head I can't think of any car that handles more sweetly than this. And it's not slow either. On the main straight at Jarama it hit an indicated 125mph and that flat four engine, red-lined at 7,500rpm, pulls with gusto at the top end. Bit limp lower down, but that's a small price to pay. Great gearbox and lovely, lovely brakes, too.

The price isn't yet finalised due to the yen exchange rate, but Toyota is homing in on £25,000 as the target. Rivals are cited as the Scirocco and Peugeot RCZ, but in truth neither can hold a candle to the GT 86 on the road. Enjoy driving? Then this contest boils down to a battle between this and the Subaru - and you'll make your choice on grounds of badge, dealer location, price and visual tweakery. Me? I'd have the Subaru - the brand is that wee bit cooler - but honestly, this goes down as the best Toyota I've ever driven, and one of the best driving sports cars of the last decade. It's here in June. You know what to do.

Ollie Marriage

The numbers:
1998cc, Flat four, 200bhp, 151lb ft, c160g/km, c42mpg, c6.8secs, c145mph, 1220kg

The cost:
£25,000

The Verdict:
We love the Subaru BRZ. Now we love the Toyota GT 86. One of the very best sports cars around today.

http://www.topgear.com/uk/toyota/gt-86/road-test/driven

suprachica79 01-27-2012 01:01 PM

Love it.

KevinDuMa 01-27-2012 01:03 PM

More great news...also looks like the BRZ made cover of the January Top Gear magazine...I'm probably late on that but I'll have to check it out

ZetaVI 01-27-2012 01:05 PM

Thanks for posting the article up. Just by saying that means a huge importance to this car.

DommerEOD 01-27-2012 01:13 PM

Great read!

I like when TG has good things to say about cars.

Snoopyalien24 01-27-2012 01:21 PM

Lol he's going with Subaru for badge.

Great review, hopefully we can find out the price a little earlier?

7thgear 01-27-2012 01:25 PM

when has Top Gear ever badmouthed a car? Like honestly.

Longhorn248 01-27-2012 01:28 PM

The more articles like this that keep coming out, the better I feel about already having my deposit paid and being ready to pre-order.

Tomcat9700 01-27-2012 02:20 PM

Awesome! Thanks for posting this!! :D

RRnold 01-27-2012 02:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 7thgear (Post 122303)
when has Top Gear ever badmouthed a car? Like honestly.

Unless it's Jeremy who always seemed to have a thing against any car that wasn't British, German or Italian made. He used to bash on Japanese and American cars so maybe he's slowly letting his guard down.

This is definitley good to hear! Thanks for sharing Hachi! :happy0180:

Giccin 01-27-2012 02:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 7thgear (Post 122303)
when has Top Gear ever badmouthed a car? Like honestly.

Quite a few times actually. Lol

Tainen 01-27-2012 02:50 PM

Yeah, Jeremy bashes on cars quite a lot. :) Especially Porches. haha.

They do all have a genuine love of automobiles, but they can still be critical at times. (tesla roadster anyone?)

armythug 01-27-2012 02:50 PM

I really like all the good news about the car. I just hope that these guys are genuine.

TRD_07 01-27-2012 02:59 PM

Nice find!

SUB-FT86 01-27-2012 03:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tainen (Post 122360)
Yeah, Jeremy bashes on cars quite a lot. :) Especially Porches. haha.

They do all have a genuine love of automobiles, but they can still be critical at times. (tesla roadster anyone?)

No. Jeremy bashes on how ugly Porsches cars are and not the driving experience. I feel the same way he does about the styling.

mastawyrm 01-27-2012 03:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snoopyalien24 (Post 122300)
Lol he's going with Subaru for badge.

Great review, hopefully we can find out the price a little earlier?

What other reason would you choose one or the other? There looks to be less difference between the two than camaro/firebird so I think most people will make the decision based on badge. I know I'm more interested in driving the brand that is so well known for WRC compared to the brand that is known for eco-bland. The rumors that the Subaru will have just a slightly tighter suspension doesn't hurt either but I wouldn't expect that to matter much.

SUB-FT86 01-27-2012 03:19 PM

Ollie Marriage is a funny name.

Robert Fahey 01-27-2012 03:54 PM

For some buyers the Subaru/Toyota choice will come down to this: "Who has one in stock, dammit!?"

borge12 01-27-2012 04:04 PM

I think for most buyers, it will be whoever has it cheapest.

Z.Tune 01-27-2012 04:17 PM

nice

cossey 01-27-2012 04:19 PM

for the UK i suspect the 5 year warranty of the Toyota vs 3 year of the Subaru may have an impact. If they were the same I would have had my deposit on the Scoobie instead.

neutron256 01-27-2012 04:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robert Fahey (Post 122399)
For some buyers the Subaru/Toyota choice will come down to this: "Who has one in stock, dammit!?"

I went ahead and put my deposit on the Subaru because Scion has said their strategy for rolling out new cars is to start on the coasts and work inward. Plus I like the more mature look of the Subaru.

slizoth 01-27-2012 04:20 PM

Exciting stuff, love top gear and Im stoked to see this. For me the purchase will depend on money and minority on features available.

Dimman 01-27-2012 04:29 PM

Hoping that Scion keeps the 'world' suspension tuning.

Hachiroku 01-27-2012 04:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KevinDuMa (Post 122290)
More great news...also looks like the BRZ made cover of the January Top Gear magazine...I'm probably late on that but I'll have to check it out

You can see the Top Gear magazine BRZ review @ http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3128

Subaruwrxfan 01-27-2012 04:37 PM

I can't wait to see them test this car on Top Gear.

SUB-FT86 01-27-2012 04:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Subaruwrxfan (Post 122438)
I can't wait to see them test this car on Top Gear.

+1

#87 01-27-2012 05:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Subaruwrxfan (Post 122438)
I can't wait to see them test this car on Top Gear.

I think the new season starts this weekend

wcbjr 01-27-2012 05:00 PM

But, but, it's only 200hp.


And it's not AWD!


And it's not 2500 lbs....


Thing sucks...

armokaiser 01-27-2012 05:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wcbjr (Post 122451)
But, but, it's only 200hp.


And it's not AWD!


And it's not 2500 lbs....


Thing sucks...

This car may be suit you then

Dillano609 01-27-2012 05:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wcbjr (Post 122451)
But, but, it's only 200hp.


And it's not AWD!


And it's not 2500 lbs....


Thing sucks...

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_letjey6I4W1qemwao.gif

lazyluka 01-27-2012 05:22 PM

I somehow think we may have to wait until Season 19 of the show (which usually air's around July) to see the 86 on Top Gear. Not even a teaser of the 86 in the preview :(

http://bcove.me/f9hwqynj


BRZ - In Croatian "brz" means fast....

Levi 01-27-2012 05:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hachiroku (Post 122271)
The numbers:
1998cc, Flat four, 200bhp, 151lb ft, c160g/km, c42mpg, c6.8secs, c145mph, 1220kg


0-100 km/h in 6.8 sec?

Dark 01-27-2012 05:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Levi (Post 122464)
0-100 km/h in 6.8 sec?

I have never expected it to be faster than low 6sec since it runs on Prius tires.

Subaruwrxfan 01-27-2012 06:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lazyluka (Post 122462)
I somehow think we may have to wait until Season 19 of the show (which usually air's around July) to see the 86 on Top Gear. Not even a teaser of the 86 in the preview :(

http://bcove.me/f9hwqynj


BRZ - In Croatian "brz" means fast....

I dunno...they normally drive cars before they come out, by July this car will already be out. If Subaru and Toyota have half a brain, they'll want them to do a review of the car before it comes out. Even if that means shipping a JDM car to the Top Gear Test Track.

And Croatian is now one of my favorite languages! lol

Dragonitti 01-27-2012 06:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mastawyrm (Post 122370)
What other reason would you choose one or the other? There looks to be less difference between the two than camaro/firebird so I think most people will make the decision based on badge. I know I'm more interested in driving the brand that is so well known for WRC compared to the brand that is known for eco-bland. The rumors that the Subaru will have just a slightly tighter suspension doesn't hurt either but I wouldn't expect that to matter much.

Other than badge....how about exterior, interior, aftermarket options when the cars come out? There are more than just a badge to choose from.


Side note:
So, I take it, this is a follow up to the not so glamours article they did on the GT86?

tripjammer 01-27-2012 06:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by neutron256 (Post 122429)
I went ahead and put my deposit on the Subaru because Scion has said their strategy for rolling out new cars is to start on the coasts and work inward. Plus I like the more mature look of the Subaru.

If you order you will get your car the same time as that person on the east or west coast. You can also order from a dealer on the west coast and have your car shipped to a dealer near you.

tripjammer 01-27-2012 06:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wcbjr (Post 122451)
But, but, it's only 200hp.


And it's not AWD!


And it's not 2500 lbs....


Thing sucks...


This car is the best car since slice bread. You will want one, just like everybody else once they realize how awesome it handles.

Mr Franky 01-27-2012 06:45 PM

The bit I like most about this review is the out of twenty score. I haven't seen another car get 19/20. The closest car to that was the Nissan GTR and the Italia 458, both on 18. So really this is the best car they have reviewed. That makes me happy.

switchlanez 01-27-2012 07:35 PM

^I saw the 19/20 but where did you see it was the highest?

Edit: I see Italia 458 got 20: http://www.topgear.com/uk/ferrari/458


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