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boredom.is.me 04-24-2013 12:34 AM

Does you A/C blow cold?
 
Is it my car, or do they all not blow as cold as other cars? I would freeze in my family's cars: IS350, SC430, X6, 2012 Beetle, Range Rovers, Tacoma (big and little versions), FJ-Cruiser, etc..

This car just blows a cool breeze...hot compared to the others I listed. If it is something that doesn't sound normal, then I'll go compare it to others at the dealership.

Julio86 04-24-2013 12:54 AM

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Originally Posted by boredom.is.me (Post 887073)
Is it my car, or do they all not blow as cold as other cars? I would freeze in my family's cars: IS350, SC430, X6, 2012 Beetle, Range Rovers, Tacoma (big and little versions), FJ-Cruiser, etc..

This car just blows a cool breeze...hot compared to the others I listed. If it is something that doesn't sound normal, then I'll go compare it to others at the dealership.

yeah bro i feel you on that one. my dad's '94 camry would blow colder air than my car :(

m.wood0213 04-24-2013 01:23 AM

mine isnt freezing but cold enough for now. We'll see when it faces Texas summers.

husker741 04-24-2013 01:25 AM

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Originally Posted by boredom.is.me (Post 887073)
Is it my car, or do they all not blow as cold as other cars? I would freeze in my family's cars: IS350, SC430, X6, 2012 Beetle, Range Rovers, Tacoma (big and little versions), FJ-Cruiser, etc..

This car just blows a cool breeze...hot compared to the others I listed. If it is something that doesn't sound normal, then I'll go compare it to others at the dealership.

SC430, eh? I see there's at least one smart person in your family :happy0180:

My SC can burn the shit out of me, or freeze my nuts off. Love it.

feldy 04-24-2013 01:51 AM

I noticed around town it lags. Highway trips I was fine.

FT86Dubai 04-24-2013 02:51 AM

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Originally Posted by feldy (Post 887172)
I noticed around town it lags. Highway trips I was fine.

Me too, temperature here is about 105f in the afternoon and I feel the AC blows enough air at full fan speed (4) but its not that cold. If I rev the engine above 3k rpm it gets a little cooler but not still not cool enough. However, when driving in highways at about 60mph it gets very cold and I reduce the fan speed to 3 or 2. Btw my car has very dark tinted windows.

King Tut 04-24-2013 11:20 AM

Seems like the performance is not very good at idle or in stop and go traffic, but feels fine while moving at a decent pace. Wouldn't surprise me if this is a fuel mileage issue that you will see more and more often on new cars. The less the clutch on the A/C compressor engages the less fuel you waste during idle conditions.

boredom.is.me 04-25-2013 12:57 AM

So I'm glad I'm not the only, but at the same time, this saddens me.

husker741 04-25-2013 01:00 AM

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Originally Posted by boredom.is.me (Post 889695)
So I'm glad I'm not the only, but at the same time, this saddens me.

The car barely has enough power to get out of its own way. You really think that will translate into also have it blow really cold air?

EAGLE5 04-25-2013 01:01 AM

Meh. It works fine. The car soaks a lot of heat on a hot day and takes awhile to get up to cooling. I'll put some tinted windows on.

boredom.is.me 04-25-2013 01:03 AM

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Originally Posted by husker741 (Post 889702)
The car barely has enough power to get out of its own way. You really think that will translate into also have it blow really cold air?

Last time I checked, a Rav4 didn't have much power either, but it too freezed my ass off.

Kosmos 05-01-2013 12:09 PM

Mine blows cold air. But windows down is the way to go ;)

BaBaFlyingSheep 07-26-2015 03:35 AM

I have the same issue, went to the dealership where they have stuck a temp probe into the vents. Temp range was like 46F to 52F and kept fluctuating back and forth.

Dealership said it was within tolerance of 10 degrees, saying there's a lot of factors that the sensor will go on and off, or maybe he just didn't want to fix it.

But yea, anything fluctuation past 3 degrees F is something you can feel.

DieselDog 07-26-2015 03:59 AM

Mine works great. Though I did recover and recharge and adjusted the refrigerant amount using static pressures compared to the ambient temperature. A/C clutch cycles as it should. High side and low side pressures are perfect, again ambient temp makes a difference on what pressures you should have. Vent temp with A/C Max and doors open with an ambient of 90F I got 38F at the lowest and 44F at the highest for each compressor cycle.. Parked and at 1000 rpm.

Proper A/C performance testing is never at idle.

stevesnj 07-26-2015 09:41 AM

Mine is ice cold. I set to recirculate and upper and foot vents. If I turn off recirculate it will use the outside hot air and just can't cool as well. But lately I just drive windows down. Used the A/C maybe twice with windows up.

EAGLE5 07-26-2015 11:24 AM

Do your ears hang low, do they wobble to and fro, can you tie them in a knot, can you tie them in a bow...

WNDSRFR 07-26-2015 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by stevesnj (Post 2335303)
Mine is ice cold. I set to recirculate and upper and foot vents. If I turn off recirculate it will use the outside hot air and just can't cool as well. But lately I just drive windows down. Used the A/C maybe twice with windows up.


Same here. Here are my normal settings. OK today is the coolest it's been in quite awhile but I use the same setting when it's 97 degrees.


What color is your car? Mine is silver (Argento). Of course if your car is black then tough luck. Black looks really nice when it's clean but it has it's issues.


Also, if the car is parked in the sun then whenever you start it, run it with the windows open for a minute to release the built up heat. Trying to let the aircon deal with it is not going to work.

pantdino 07-26-2015 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by BaBaFlyingSheep (Post 2335227)
I have the same issue, went to the dealership where they have stuck a temp probe into the vents. Temp range was like 46F to 52F and kept fluctuating back and forth.

Dealership said it was within tolerance of 10 degrees, saying there's a lot of factors that the sensor will go on and off, or maybe he just didn't want to fix it.

But yea, anything fluctuation past 3 degrees F is something you can feel.



52 is not cold enough. IIRC you should see low 40's at the vent. Google the question and see what you come up with.


I park my car in the shade, use reflective window shades, and put the windows down a couple inches here in So Cal and don't have a problem with it getting too hot inside. But, as was said, if it is super hot inside open both doors fully and start the AC to get the superheated air out and the AC down to temp before you get in.

BaBaFlyingSheep 07-27-2015 12:41 AM

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Originally Posted by pantdino (Post 2335627)
52 is not cold enough. IIRC you should see low 40's at the vent. Google the question and see what you come up with.


I park my car in the shade, use reflective window shades, and put the windows down a couple inches here in So Cal and don't have a problem with it getting too hot inside. But, as was said, if it is super hot inside open both doors fully and start the AC to get the superheated air out and the AC down to temp before you get in.

I agree, my car isn't blowing cold enough, that's why I took it to the dealership. The temps were with recirculation on.
Can't seem to come up with anything on Google, most people only talk about the temp they set it at, not the actual temp coming out of the vents.

If you have a link for actual temps, or know the actual range of what the FR-S and BRZ should be blowing, that would be really helpful.:respekt:

billwot 07-28-2015 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by pantdino (Post 2335627)
52 is not cold enough. IIRC you should see low 40's at the vent. Google the question and see what you come up with.


I park my car in the shade, use reflective window shades, and put the windows down a couple inches here in So Cal and don't have a problem with it getting too hot inside. But, as was said, if it is super hot inside open both doors fully and start the AC to get the superheated air out and the AC down to temp before you get in.

:thumbsup:




Temp at the vent should be 40-42F, even with ambient temps in the high 90s.

Jesse36m3 07-28-2015 02:51 PM

Oh she blows.


Nice and cold.


Haven't had any problems yet in my '13 ~ 41k miles.

86Tony 07-28-2015 03:07 PM

My ac is freezing gotta raise my temp up here and there

Tgionet 07-28-2015 03:30 PM

I leave it on auto at 65 and the vents blow cold enough to numb my hands

sprintertrueno86 07-28-2015 03:35 PM

Mine is never cold even on lowest setting, just cool air.

stevesnj 07-28-2015 03:57 PM

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Here's the service manual pic troubleshooting chart for the A/C

stevesnj 07-28-2015 04:48 PM

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I also got this off of AutoZone website. Should be a general idea of how Outside Humidity and Air Temps translate to interior cooling temps.

solidONE 07-29-2015 04:42 PM

I found that the accessories belt will sometimes slip, not all the time, causing the AC to not not blow cold intermittently. Something worth checking. Also when this slippage happens the idle mayb dip suddenly.

Regalo 07-29-2015 07:16 PM

My AC blows cold air very inconsistently. Sometimes I may as well just roll down my windows. I took it to the dealership twice and they haven't found anything wrong yet. But I wonder is it normal for the AC compressor clutch to engage on and off? I've done various searches and haven't found solutions yet but I found a video of someone overriding the fuse box and the AC clutch started to engage. Any thoughts on this?

stevesnj 07-29-2015 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Regalo (Post 2339874)
My AC blows cold air very inconsistently. Sometimes I may as well just roll down my windows. I took it to the dealership twice and they haven't found anything wrong yet. But I wonder is it normal for the AC compressor clutch to engage on and off? I've done various searches and haven't found solutions yet but I found a video of someone overriding the fuse box and the AC clutch started to engage. Any thoughts on this?

Does it click on and off quickly?

White64Goat 07-29-2015 09:32 PM

Most newer systems do cycle on and off. If it cycles very quickly, then you may have a problem (like 2-3 seconds). Also modern refrigerant R-134a does not get cold as quickly as the old R12. If it is really hot outside it may take 10 minutes or more before you really feel like it's cold in the car. Not having tinted windows also lengthens the time it takes to cool down. You may also want to run the A/C into the defrost position for a few minutes as well as the hot air tends to just sit in the vents under the dash and creep out thus taking more time getting cool inside the car.

If you've seen the ads on TV for A/C Pro kit, http://acprocold.com/ it is pretty easy to check your own system and it has a pressure gauge built right on it. Adding more refrigerant than what it tells you to add will not make it work any better, it may actually make it worse. If you're under warranty take it to them and let them fix it.

solidONE 07-29-2015 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Regalo (Post 2339874)
My AC blows cold air very inconsistently. Sometimes I may as well just roll down my windows. I took it to the dealership twice and they haven't found anything wrong yet. But I wonder is it normal for the AC compressor clutch to engage on and off? I've done various searches and haven't found solutions yet but I found a video of someone overriding the fuse box and the AC clutch started to engage. Any thoughts on this?

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Originally Posted by stevesnj (Post 2339959)
Does it click on and off quickly?

I believe this might be what causes the belt to slip sometimes. Mine hasen't done that since I had it serviced for a leak the camchain cover. They tensioned the belt correctly when they did the service, I'm assuming.

nickmerronesucks 07-30-2015 04:44 PM

anyone getting a bunch of dusty rust on the ac compressor?

jermyzy 07-30-2015 04:50 PM

On "low" setting, my BRZ barely keeps me cool...on my old RSX, I would actually be freezing if I put it on low setting

EXCellR8 07-30-2015 08:03 PM

I find the AC in my FR-S has always been pretty underwhelming, especially on really hot and humid days. I had a honda Fit once (yep, those fun little rigs) and that AC was literally 10x better, no joke.

BaBaFlyingSheep 07-31-2015 03:24 AM

I would agree with most people here that we've all felt what a proper A/C system can do, and that is it can freeze your butt off.

Based on this thread, some seem satisfied, others not so much, and it seems pretty consistent that way. Now I'm not saying that I expect the BRZ/FR-S to have the best A/C out there.

But, does anyone have a chart similar to what stevesnj has, from Toyota or Subaru? All dealerships should have temperature probes to stick into vents, and there should be a set range of how cold this A/C unit is supposed to perform.

You should be able to go to a dealership, get your car inspected, and have a black and white answer on whether or not your A/C is working properly.

Service departments do not seem like they want to deal with the extra trouble, so please if anyone has this info, we would be able to put this issue to bed.

soulreapersteve 07-31-2015 08:31 AM

I dunno... when I turn the dial to "max a/c" and push the AC button, it gets pretty darn cold. Even on 1 fan speed, it's cold.

stevesnj 07-31-2015 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by soulreapersteve (Post 2341669)
I dunno... when I turn the dial to "max a/c" and push the AC button, it gets pretty darn cold. Even on 1 fan speed, it's cold.

Same here, wonder if they updated the HVAC system in the past few years...hmm

stevesnj 07-31-2015 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by solidONE (Post 2340053)
I believe this might be what causes the belt to slip sometimes. Mine hasen't done that since I had it serviced for a leak the camchain cover. They tensioned the belt correctly when they did the service, I'm assuming.

fast on and off clicks usually mean too high pressure in the system. I had this on my Acura and I put too much 134 in and it started clicking of and on quickly. I went to the low side schrader valve and let some out and it started cycling normal.

solidONE 07-31-2015 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by stevesnj (Post 2341829)
fast on and off clicks usually mean too high pressure in the system. I had this on my Acura and I put too much 134 in and it started clicking of and on quickly. I went to the low side schrader valve and let some out and it started cycling normal.

Interesting. I remember observing the belt slip on the AC compressor pulley, but I dont remember whether if it was clicking on/off quickly. It was doing something though, to cause it to slip.

FRSBRZGT86FAN 07-31-2015 03:41 PM

I don't know if its just me but if I go WOT sometimes the cooling just stops and it feels like just warm air blowing out, does anywhere know where that issue comes from?


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