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TylerLieberman 04-20-2013 04:02 PM

Raven FRS: Heartbreaker
 
So I FINALLY caved and got rid of my '12 WRX. I had no intention of getting rid of it, especially since I just got it tuned last month and it was an absolute beast on the road. The perfect everyday all around car in my opinion.

My wife and I had talked about me getting something else to play around with and while I mentioned a few times waiting to see what happened with the BRZ STI, I also said that a black FR-S would be sick. So while I was gone in the field for training, she picked one up for me and traded in the WRX after a long dicussion over deciding what to do.

So here it is: When I first bought it.

First Purchased: APRIL 2013
https://scontent-a-dfw.xx.fbcdn.net/...e5&oe=54FA330F


AUGUST 2013
http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3716/9...63347a70_b.jpg


DECEMBER 2013
http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2830/1...c765f830_o.jpg


DECEMBER 2014
https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7462/...04e4735b_b.jpg


CURRENT: FEBRUARY 2015
https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.n...da2b29c0f10f99

6-Shift 04-20-2013 04:51 PM

Sick! I think the wheels from your sig pic would be cool too :thumbsup:

TylerLieberman 04-20-2013 06:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 6-Shift (Post 879858)
Sick! I think the wheels from your sig pic would be cool too :thumbsup:

Thanks!
Those were SSR SP1s. I would get them again but I don't wanna spend $700/wheel with sizes and offsets that $300 wheels offer. Maybe if the car could properly fit a +12 on a 9.5j wheel or something.

Oh well, we'll see. I have yet to make a final decision on wheels yet. All I know is I'm buying 6. 4 17x9s and 2 18x9.5s.

6-Shift 04-20-2013 09:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TylerLieberman (Post 879979)
Thanks!
Those were SSR SP1s. I would get them again but I don't wanna spend $700/wheel with sizes and offsets that $300 wheels offer. Maybe if the car could properly fit a +12 on a 9.5j wheel or something.

Oh well, we'll see. I have yet to make a final decision on wheels yet. All I know is I'm buying 6. 4 17x9s and 2 18x9.5s.

:bow::respekt:

TylerLieberman 04-28-2013 11:37 PM

Drift event at mineral wells on May 19th. The race is on to get the car ready for the event! Making calls tomorrow!

Stay tuned

NorseLegend 04-28-2013 11:59 PM

God that kouki is sick! I've always liked those because of the tail lights.

TylerLieberman 04-30-2013 09:59 PM

^Thanks


Got to work today. Had some left over DEI gold wrap and covered up the BMC. Adds a nice touch to the bay I think.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.n...59784831_n.jpg


Also stripped everything out of the trunk. After weighing everything, it came in at around 54lbs. The new exhaust setup will shave another 22-25lbs as well. Which means nearly 100lbs taken off of the rear half of the car.:D
https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.n...69861358_n.jpg

STANCE coilovers purchased yesterday and will be here Thursday and installed this weekend. Alignment shortly after. Everything else will be purchased next week and I'll spend the remaining time making sure everything is set for the event at Mineral Wells on the 19th.

Should have loads of pics and footage of the 4th gear 80-100mph entries:party0030:

TylerLieberman 05-08-2013 08:55 PM

Finally have some time to update for everything that's happened over the past week or so.

Got Stance Coilovers
https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.n...67121320_n.jpg

Threw them on and dropped it about 2" while I waited for the wheels and tires to show up.
https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.n...01671830_n.jpg

Got my bubble knob and turn spin knob(turn spin knob not installed in this pic)
https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.n...76691834_n.jpg

Tires and wheels showed up
https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.n...37705495_n.jpg
https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.n...39753605_n.jpg

Tires are Achilles ATR Sport 215/45r17
Wheels are XXR 527 17x8.25 +25
Lugs are Red Muteki Closed End

Got them mounted
https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.n...86314854_n.jpg

Then made final adjustments by adding a slight bit more camber up front and dropping it overall another 1/2" to end up like this.
https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.n...29242811_n.jpg

The fronts sit perfect for me but I would like to add a 3-5mm spacer in the rear to make it perfect how I want it. We'll see though.

All I'm waiting on now is the Exhaust (Nameless 2.5" track pipe) and the car will be ready for the Mineral Wells Event on the 19th:thumbup:

I'll post up more pictures when the exhaust shows up and a bunch more during the event.

NorseLegend 05-09-2013 02:51 AM

I like those wheels. They fit the car nicely!


All your base are belong to me.

TylerLieberman 05-09-2013 10:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NorseLegend (Post 921481)
I like those wheels. They fit the car nicely!


All your base are belong to me.

Thanks

Sorry dont understand the second part of your post.

L3P47 05-09-2013 11:09 AM

Do the wheels fit flush or stick out a little? I'm getting ready for wheels and tires and need to know what offset to go with.

TylerLieberman 05-09-2013 11:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by L3P47 (Post 921958)
Do the wheels fit flush or stick out a little? I'm getting ready for wheels and tires and need to know what offset to go with.

Front wheels poke Almost a full inch. I added more camber though up front. I'm running around 2 degrees up front and it now it pokes maybe 1/4".

The rears are running about 2 degrees camber as well and they're dead on flush. I want a small spacer though to get that same 1/4" of poke so it looks flush from all angles. It looks sunk in at some angles lol

Touge Factory 05-09-2013 01:26 PM

car looks great!

NorseLegend 05-09-2013 04:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TylerLieberman (Post 921928)
Thanks

Sorry dont understand the second part of your post.

It's the thing my phone adds onto it. No worries.

CBR600RR 05-09-2013 04:53 PM

Relax, I fucking got stickers, lots of'em

TylerLieberman 05-09-2013 05:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CBR600RR (Post 922814)
Relax, I fucking got stickers, lots of'em

I have 250hp now too.

True story

TylerLieberman 05-20-2013 09:29 PM

https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphot...33042439_n.jpg

Small teaser from the weekend

Had a blast! Once the rest of the pictures get sent to me, I'll post everything up :)

TRD_07 05-20-2013 10:07 PM

The car looks great man! I really wanted to go check out the event but unfortunitely I wasn't able to make it. I look forward to your pictures. Thanks.

TylerLieberman 05-22-2013 02:02 PM

So this past weekend there was an event in Mineral Wells. Had a lot of fun and learned a good amount about the car. I was also able to figure out what steps should be taken next in improving the car.
https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.n...20280104_n.jpg
Threw the stock tires on the back to tear apart. The Michelin's are obviously not very good. The surface was a bit more harsh than I remember as well. After 5 runs, the tires already started chunking up a bit. The tires themselves are obviously not very grippy. Couple that with nearly -2 degrees of rear camber and the car's rear end doesn't feel very planted. It floats around a bit. So, before the next event, I'm going to roll out the rear fenders and pull out some of the camber so I have more contact and with better tires, more rear end grip. I'll end up going to somewhere between -1 and -0.5 degrees. Doing this will help in making the car feel more stable, more planted, and be a bit faster when the throttle is opened all the way.
https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.n...47260364_n.jpg
Another thing to take into account is the steering angle-or lack of. It really doesn't have that much (compared to other car's I've drifted). Obviously, seeing how the steering components are stock, I can't expect crazy steering angle but some extra would be nice. Tie rods, rack spacers, and modified steering knuckles will help for sure. The front end felt great. I ran just under -4 degrees of camber and a tad bit of toe out. Turn-in and response was awesome. Just needs a little more steering angle in my opinion.
https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.n...66476140_n.jpg
Next up is the big one: POWER. I came to the event with the assumption that the car was gonna get a beating just to keep the wheels spinning. I was definitely wrong! The car can be feathered on and off throttle through 2nd gear with ease. 3rd gear is where it get's interesting. My entry speeds were between 60-80mph and was running 3rd gear through the first corner. The problem is that the rpms were between 4-5k with the throttle hammered-which is where the torque dip is. I thought the car could easily use another 100hp from some type of forced induction, and sure, it could. It would be fun. But honestly, after driving it, I feel like an extra 30 or so hp and utilizing a new header and ecu setup to get that mid range torque back is what the car really needs. It would make the car 10x better and make it feel a lot more powerful.
https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphot...66249797_n.jpg
https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.n...63466933_n.jpg
https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphot...15325589_n.jpg
There are a couple of small things I would like to change too eventually like thicker sway bars, a clutch type LSD over the torsen diff. The torsen diff works but the car would respond so much better with a proper 2 way diff. That's way down the road though. Other than that, I different bucket seat and deep dish steering wheel to make the driving position perfect for my liking.
The only real downside to the day was the passenger tire exploding and tearing a small hole in my cv boot. So, first thing to do is get that taken care of. Not a big deal, but it just goes to show and prove that if you wanna drift your new FR-S/BRZ (or any car). Be prepared for something to break or get damaged cause it WILL happen. Luckily, it isn't a big deal and is an easy fix.
https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphot...18382361_n.jpg
To sum it all up, the car feels great. Great balance and great response. An alignment change, a bit more power and mid range torque will make the car even better. Can't wait to get back out there.:D
To do list:
CV Boot fix
Roll Fenders
Alignment
More Tires
Drive
More Tires
Drive

Down the road:
Header back exhaust
Drop In Filter
ECU Tune
Lightweight crank pulley
Bucket Seat
Steering Wheel
Sway Bars
2 Way Diff

Touge Factory 05-23-2013 03:00 PM

Ditch the Torsen!

We put Tomei 2-way in ours, and went out for some fun at D-Day!
https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.n...42280447_n.jpg

TylerLieberman 05-23-2013 04:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Touge Factory (Post 955275)
Ditch the Torsen!

We put Tomei 2-way in ours, and went out for some fun at D-Day!
https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.n...42280447_n.jpg

That was the diff I was looking at. Hooke me up! :D Been buying stuff from you guys for years anyways lol

TylerLieberman 05-23-2013 04:44 PM

Pics from the photoshoot the other weekend

Stattic.net feature/photoshoot
https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphot...96612990_n.jpg
https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.n...70508470_n.jpg
https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.n...45845118_n.jpg
https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.n...45139967_n.jpg
https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.n...88467808_n.jpg

TylerLieberman 05-24-2013 06:33 PM

So axle cv boot is being fixed this week.

Working on getting a time to get my rear fenders rolled so I have the clearance to pull out the camber in the rear.

To do/to buy list:
Cv Boot Replacement
SPC LCAs
Roll Rear Fenders
Alignment
Red Out Tails
Toyota/GT86 badges
Tint
More Tires

All of this to get done by the event on August 11th. There is an event this Sunday and another one on July 28th but I don't wanna cut it that close with my finances so I'm just holding off for the one after. The car will be so much better once it gets the new alignment.


After that event, sway bars, strut bars, chassis bracing and then it's on to the motor.

Marrk 05-24-2013 07:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TylerLieberman (Post 958370)
So axle cv boot is being fixed this week.

Working on getting a time to get my rear fenders rolled so I have the clearance to pull out the camber in the rear.

To do/to buy list:
Cv Boot Replacement
SPC LCAs
Roll Rear Fenders
Alignment
Red Out Tails
Toyota/GT86 badges
Tint
More Tires

All of this to get done by the event on August 11th. There is an event this Sunday and another one on July 28th but I don't wanna cut it that close with my finances so I'm just holding off for the one after. The car will be so much better once it gets the new alignment.


After that event, sway bars, strut bars, chassis bracing and then it's on to the motor.


Are you replacing just the boot (the rubber part) or the joint itself? Did the boot tear?

TylerLieberman 05-24-2013 08:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marrk (Post 958527)
Are you replacing just the boot (the rubber part) or the joint itself? Did the boot tear?

The boot tore when the tire popped. The car drove literally 15 feet then we jacked it up, cleaned it all up and got a universal cover boot from autozone put on it.



Does anybody know how much I can adjust rear camber with the stock arms and bolts? I'm just trying to get a bit less cause I'm about -2 right now.

Drftfan 05-26-2013 07:09 PM

I am following this thread. Seems like exactly what I am trying to do with my frs as well.

TylerLieberman 05-27-2013 12:49 PM

https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphot...05188265_n.jpg

Getting some work done today :)

TylerLieberman 05-27-2013 02:42 PM

Saw somebody on here with a Raven FR-S who dipped their stock wheels white. Decided to do the same to mine since they're just my drift spares and I think the white looks so much better than the silver/black that they come in.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.n...85536153_n.jpg

Also did my tail lights red
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7398/8...cb19e0f8_b.jpg

JDM Toyota and GT86 badges, window visors, Personal steering wheel and hub next. Then stack up on some more tires.

Can't wait for the next event in August :D
http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3689/8...0abd6edd_b.jpg

koyv90 05-27-2013 03:30 PM

how do you like the stance coils? Most people i see are running KW3s. Although coming from a 240 i see why you liked Stance ones. They are really popular on 240s.

TylerLieberman 05-27-2013 04:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by koyv90 (Post 962646)
how do you like the stance coils? Most people i see are running KW3s. Although coming from a 240 i see why you liked Stance ones. They are really popular on 240s.

Love them. Everything you need is included. Everything bolts right up and includes all of brackets for the lines/sensors. Install is cake.

The adjustability is great. I sit at my current ride height and still have another inch to 1.5" of room to go lower on the coilovers. Not hat I'm going to lower it more, but I got to the height I wanted without maxing out. I might actually raise the car back up 1/2 and inch or so. Camber adjustment is great too. I run about -1.5 degrees up front on the street and when I go to the track, I max them out which puts me right around -4 degrees.

Ride is good. I have my rears on full stiff so the ride isn't exactly luxurious but it isn't sloppy. It's firm and the car is extremely responsive. Corners flat with minimal roll. Still feels pretty well planted too. It doesn't get twitchy or squirrelly when driving around.

In short, they're great. For the money, I feel like they're the best you can buy. KW V3s are amazing but more expensive. My dad has a personal connection through them so I would have been able to get V3s for just over $2,000 shipped but that's still $1,000 more than Stance. For what I use the car for, the Stance coils are perfect

koyv90 05-29-2013 04:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TylerLieberman (Post 962709)
Love them. Everything you need is included. Everything bolts right up and includes all of brackets for the lines/sensors. Install is cake.

The adjustability is great. I sit at my current ride height and still have another inch to 1.5" of room to go lower on the coilovers. Not hat I'm going to lower it more, but I got to the height I wanted without maxing out. I might actually raise the car back up 1/2 and inch or so. Camber adjustment is great too. I run about -1.5 degrees up front on the street and when I go to the track, I max them out which puts me right around -4 degrees.

Ride is good. I have my rears on full stiff so the ride isn't exactly luxurious but it isn't sloppy. It's firm and the car is extremely responsive. Corners flat with minimal roll. Still feels pretty well planted too. It doesn't get twitchy or squirrelly when driving around.

In short, they're great. For the money, I feel like they're the best you can buy. KW V3s are amazing but more expensive. My dad has a personal connection through them so I would have been able to get V3s for just over $2,000 shipped but that's still $1,000 more than Stance. For what I use the car for, the Stance coils are perfect

thanks for the input and why would you have such negative camber for track? I never got why cars needed more negative camber for track.

TylerLieberman 05-29-2013 08:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by koyv90 (Post 966336)
thanks for the input and why would you have such negative camber for track? I never got why cars needed more negative camber for track.

I run more negative camber because it helps with turn in and more responsive steering and front end grip when sideways.

Let's say you run -0.5 camber on the front wheels. When your car sits, the wheels are straight up and down like this: l l

When you're drifting a right handed corner, the weight is transferred to the outside of the vehicle (in this case, the left), so more of the weight is on the left tires. As you wheels countersteer to the left, the leading edge wheel gains more positive camber, while your trailing edge wheel gains more negative camber, so your wheels at full lock would look like this: \ \

Running more negative camber up front means your leading edge wheel will be closer to 0 camber at full lock which means more tire is in contact with the ground. More contact patch and more grip. With negative camber up front, your wheels at full lock will be more like this: l \ It's the same reason a lot of the pros actually run POSITIVE camber in the rear. Because on throttle, the rear end squats which naturally causes the wheels to gain negative camber which would equal to about 0 under throttle. So, the cars are actually setup to have more tire on the ground when they're full throttle and fully sideways.

The amount of grip a car has in the competition drifting, the competitive the car is. You don't need to set your car up that way. It comes to personal preference. I just prefer my cars setup in a similar manner.

If you look at some pictures of cars at full lock or near full lock, you can really see the alignment of the front wheels and the differences. My explanation probably doesn't illustrate it that well haha

koyv90 05-29-2013 01:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TylerLieberman (Post 966469)
I run more negative camber because it helps with turn in and more responsive steering and front end grip when sideways.

Let's say you run -0.5 camber on the front wheels. When your car sits, the wheels are straight up and down like this: l l

When you're drifting a right handed corner, the weight is transferred to the outside of the vehicle (in this case, the left), so more of the weight is on the left tires. As you wheels countersteer to the left, the leading edge wheel gains more positive camber, while your trailing edge wheel gains more negative camber, so your wheels at full lock would look like this: \ \

Running more negative camber up front means your leading edge wheel will be closer to 0 camber at full lock which means more tire is in contact with the ground. More contact patch and more grip. With negative camber up front, your wheels at full lock will be more like this: l \ It's the same reason a lot of the pros actually run POSITIVE camber in the rear. Because on throttle, the rear end squats which naturally causes the wheels to gain negative camber which would equal to about 0 under throttle. So, the cars are actually setup to have more tire on the ground when they're full throttle and fully sideways.

The amount of grip a car has in the competition drifting, the competitive the car is. You don't need to set your car up that way. It comes to personal preference. I just prefer my cars setup in a similar manner.

If you look at some pictures of cars at full lock or near full lock, you can really see the alignment of the front wheels and the differences. My explanation probably doesn't illustrate it that well haha

No way man your explanation was awesome. Its the best way its been described to me ha! Thank you for your response :D!

TylerLieberman 05-31-2013 11:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by koyv90 (Post 967096)
No way man your explanation was awesome. Its the best way its been described to me ha! Thank you for your response :D!

Glad I could help.

Nothing big going on right now. Got the axle taken care of, rear fenders rolled, and the jdm Toyota and GT86 badges ordered.

Also finished my tail light. Went over them with another coat of red and laid some clear coat down. Then buffed and polished so now they look amazing.

Next up is getting the LCAs and getting the alignment done. After that, tires and more drifting:happyanim:

TylerLieberman 06-01-2013 08:18 PM

So, my old Subaru got destroyed by the new owner. The guy didn't even own it for a month and, from the story I was given, his carelessness is the cause of this

https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphot...40638953_n.jpg

6-Shift 06-03-2013 12:46 AM

^^^^that's so lame....btw great explanation of drift camber, I'd always wondered about the rear camber settings. Don't some people run negative camber in the rear to help underpowered cars?

TylerLieberman 06-03-2013 09:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 6-Shift (Post 977310)
^^^^that's so lame....btw great explanation of drift camber, I'd always wondered about the rear camber settings. Don't some people run negative camber in the rear to help underpowered cars?

Yeah but I see more people increase tire pressure or stiffening the rear suspension to help induce more oversteer while still keeping a good contact patch in the rear end.

I'll go to about -1 degree. If I was making in the 300s to the wheels, I'd get as close to 0 as possible

TylerLieberman 06-09-2013 12:02 AM

Not much has changed.

How the car should have come:
http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3686/8...aac35156_z.jpg
Toyota and GT86 badges in finally.

Got a few other minor changes cosmetically but nothing special. Sorry for the crappy quality picture. I need to get the software uploaded so I can use my DSLR.

Upcoming next week:

SPC LCA's
Works Bell Hub
Personal Neo Grinta 350mm Black/Red Leather Steering Wheel
Alignment
More tires
More sideways:D

Snoopyalien24 06-09-2013 12:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TylerLieberman (Post 962709)
Love them. Everything you need is included. Everything bolts right up and includes all of brackets for the lines/sensors. Install is cake.

The adjustability is great. I sit at my current ride height and still have another inch to 1.5" of room to go lower on the coilovers. Not hat I'm going to lower it more, but I got to the height I wanted without maxing out. I might actually raise the car back up 1/2 and inch or so. Camber adjustment is great too. I run about -1.5 degrees up front on the street and when I go to the track, I max them out which puts me right around -4 degrees.

Ride is good. I have my rears on full stiff so the ride isn't exactly luxurious but it isn't sloppy. It's firm and the car is extremely responsive. Corners flat with minimal roll. Still feels pretty well planted too. It doesn't get twitchy or squirrelly when driving around.

In short, they're great. For the money, I feel like they're the best you can buy. KW V3s are amazing but more expensive. My dad has a personal connection through them so I would have been able to get V3s for just over $2,000 shipped but that's still $1,000 more than Stance. For what I use the car for, the Stance coils are perfect

Saving these. Also post pics of its side, I want to see how low your car is. She looks great so far!

TylerLieberman 06-09-2013 09:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snoopyalien24 (Post 990960)
Saving these. Also post pics of its side, I want to see how low your car is. She looks great so far!


Thanks! Unfortunately, I'm in the field all week so no more pictures until next weekend.

I'll make sure to get a few good shots of the car when I come back.


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