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miata 01-19-2012 02:28 AM

0-60 in 5.9 sec.?
 
According to this website.
I don't know how they got the number but it is significantly faster than what other magazines have been reporting. ie. "under 7 seconds".

http://img851.imageshack.us/img851/2...6954539112.jpg

Guff 01-19-2012 02:33 AM

That's very interesting...

Capt Canuck 01-19-2012 02:42 AM

Oh dear... reputable source there :thumbdown:

SVTSHC 01-19-2012 02:50 AM

I'm going to pretend this is a 100% legit source and say.

"F*** YEAH!! That's a hell of a lot better than I was expecting!" But keep in mind I'm still pretending.

Capt Canuck 01-19-2012 02:52 AM

LOL! Pretending is fun.
Imagine when they do it with one that the engine is properly loosened up... need to update the thread to say 4.9! ;-)

Dunkindoanuts 01-19-2012 03:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Capt Canuck (Post 116923)
Oh dear... reputable source there :thumbdown:

Wikipedia was down today

Sigh-on-Rice 01-19-2012 03:37 AM

Quarter mile is slower than tC with manual...

Guff 01-19-2012 03:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sigh-on-Rice (Post 116937)
Quarter mile is slower than tC with manual...

No it's not, tC is supposedly 6.8 and FRS is 5.9.

SunnyD 01-19-2012 03:43 AM

15.3 1/4 mile time? Pretty slow for a car that hits 60 in under 6 seconds. I think this car is still between 6.5-7 seconds to 60, but who cares. I'm buying this car for the driving experience, not for pure acceleration.

SUB-FT86 01-19-2012 03:47 AM

I think it's a typo. It's actually 6.9 judging by the 1/4 mile.

Korupt56 01-19-2012 03:47 AM

If u want a fast car on a drag strip why not go for a mustang boss or Dodge Charger

fistpoint 01-19-2012 03:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SunnyD (Post 116942)
15.3 1/4 mile time? Pretty slow for a car that hits 60 in under 6 seconds. I think this car is still between 6.5-7 seconds to 60, but who cares. I'm buying this car for the driving experience, not for pure acceleration.

At least one car mag got a 2011 tC to 60 in the mid 6's if I recall correctly. That's a weaker car with several hundred more pounds on it.

The best 0-60 times on a RSX-S have been low 6's too, as well as some of the later Civic Si's, both again being heavier cars with nearly identical power.

With that said, if the BRZ/FR-S can't do it any faster than 6.5, then it is a piece of shit engine/transmission. It "has" to be at least as fast as the Civic/RSX.

tripjammer 01-19-2012 06:21 AM

This car is not slow...it will be very close to 6.0! It's going to depend on the gearing...and the final power to weight ratio...

serialk11r 01-19-2012 06:32 AM

^^ uh, the gearing is already here, and the power is already here...torque curve probably looks something like the 2GR-FSE. Gears are similar to the Hondas mentioned, I think.

I could see 5.9 happening with a clutch dump :iono:

Sigh-on-Rice 01-19-2012 07:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Guff (Post 116940)
No it's not, tC is supposedly 6.8 and FRS is 5.9.

Quarter mile...:slap:

Levi 01-19-2012 07:36 AM

I say it is wrong as it will be faster. 5,9 sec from 0 to 62 mph.

frusciantrix 01-19-2012 08:27 AM

Interesting will be the acceleration from 60mph on because of the good drag coefficient.

Levi 01-19-2012 08:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by frusciantrix (Post 116980)
Interesting will be the acceleration from 60mph on because of the good drag coefficient.


It won't be that good because it is not a turbo, but not that bad because the car is light, rev-friendly and has good drag co. as ou say.

suprachica79 01-19-2012 09:00 AM

That quarter mile makes no sense with that 0-60 time. No way will a car who has a 0-60 in the 5's do a quarter mile in the 15's, it should be much quicker than that. I call B.S on that source, either the 0-60 is off or the quarter mile is off and I'm praying it's the latter.

SUB-FT86 01-19-2012 10:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Levi (Post 116975)
I say it is wrong as it will be faster. 5,9 sec from 0 to 62 mph.

You will be highly disappointed.

dabocx 01-19-2012 10:52 AM

Most have said 0-60 in 6 flat or so. Im sure 5.9 will happen in super good conditions but mid 6s will be more common.

That quarter mile is very high though. Id say 14.6-15 on average. I know the last gen Si could pull off high 14s and it weighs more and has less torque. But we wont know till we get the car :)

YinYang1980 01-19-2012 11:03 AM

and if the driver weight less than 150 lbs.

dabocx 01-19-2012 11:07 AM

Even though i mostly do autocross and HPDE events im wondering how this cars 1/4 mile times are going to be effected by bolt ons and other goodies.

Im wondering what its going to take to get into the 13s minus a burnt clutch :)

dabocx 01-19-2012 11:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by YinYang1980 (Post 117020)
and if the driver weight less than 150 lbs.

Got to start that diet now...

duffman13 01-19-2012 11:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dabocx (Post 117023)
Even though i mostly do autocross and HPDE events im wondering how this cars 1/4 mile times are going to be effected by bolt ons and other goodies.

Im wondering what its going to take to get into the 13s minus a burnt clutch :)

I know we're talking FWD vs RWD, but as an RSX-S owner and forum member, I have seen plenty of people post slips near 14.0 and high 13s with just bolt-on and a tune, putting them around 200WHP.

RWD gets a launch advantage and this car has a slight weight advantage, there's no way this car is any slower in the 1/4 or to 60 than a stock RSX-S

dabocx 01-19-2012 12:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by duffman13 (Post 117042)
I know we're talking FWD vs RWD, but as an RSX-S owner and forum member, I have seen plenty of people post slips near 14.0 and high 13s with just bolt-on and a tune, putting them around 200WHP.

RWD gets a launch advantage and this car has a slight weight advantage, there's no way this car is any slower in the 1/4 or to 60 than a stock RSX-S

It was the same for the 06-11 si's people were hitting low 14s, high 13s with I/H/E and a tune.

Honesty 01-19-2012 12:13 PM

I used to own an RSX-S too, and those were my exact same thoughts. That quarter mile time sounds awfully slow, unless it has a really really low third gear (which I doubt). I'm thinking it'll be around 14.7-14.9 stock. I doubt this engine will respond to mods as well as the K20, so a 14.0 probably won't come about with breather mods and a tune. The RSX-S had slightly less torque output, but it also had lower drivetrain losses too.

Honesty 01-19-2012 12:40 PM

Or an LS7 swap.

SUB-FT86 01-19-2012 02:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LSxJunkie (Post 117056)
There is no way. Cars that run 15s don't get to 60 in under 6 seconds. Cars that get to 60 in under 6 seconds run low 14s. And 200hp 2500lb cars don't run low 14s.



Forced induction.

What?

If the FR-S weighed that much it would easily run into the low 14's.

Khyron686 01-19-2012 03:36 PM

Could just be the tires? Doesn't show the 60' time, so who knows.

Honesty 01-19-2012 04:01 PM

I don't really think it's making so much gear-crushing torque that it's spinning the tires that hard off the line, but that's a good point. Those Prius tires can't really handle too much.

I'm leaning toward it being an estimate though. Regardless, this car is not designed to be a 1/4 mile machine.

ydooby 01-19-2012 05:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SUB-FT86 (Post 116944)
I think it's a typo. It's actually 6.9 judging by the 1/4 mile.

I think it's a typo too. It's actually 14.3 judging by the 0-60 time.:laughabove:

serialk11r 01-19-2012 05:31 PM

Although at face value it looks like this car has more torque, it does NOT have variable lift, so there is likely a huge sag in torque between the range where the long duration intake cam is giving good VE and the rpm that port injection shuts off, and stops helping combustion efficiency. Not to mention that high EGR results when intake is advanced to improve VE at lower speeds, which kills power due to preventing knock and higher temperature.

Low CoG would result in slightly less weight transferred to the rear under acceleration as well by virtue of geometry, so it's hard to say. FWD cars get weight transferred to the rear, but they are nose heavy in the first place.

miata 01-19-2012 05:55 PM

Personally I would rather have a RWD 6.9 sec coupe that gets 35mpg hwy than a 5.9 sec car that gets 30mpg.

Honesty 01-19-2012 05:55 PM

This car also has an extremely high compression ratio - which is largely responsible for that torque figure.

SUB-FT86 01-19-2012 06:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by miata (Post 117180)
Personally I would rather have a RWD 6.9 sec coupe that gets 35mpg hwy than a 5.9 sec car that gets 30mpg.

I'm the opposite of you. I'd rather 30 mpg with more torque(200-220hp/180-190tq) to easily achieve the 5.9 seconds. Acceleration is part of the fun in owning a sports car IMHO.

serialk11r 01-19-2012 06:41 PM

And I'm the nerd who sits here with BSFC charts saying "why did they not go 4.1 f/d ratio standard, with a 0.56 6th gear like the Corvette? great acceleration in gears 1-5, and 50mpg cruising!"
Although unlike you SUB, I am not a believer in low end torque :P low end = fuel economy range, less torque is better, all else being equal. I think people will be extremely disappointed with the low end torque on this car as the torque peak is 6600. But this will do wonders for mpg, thanks to D4-S.

Max Schnell 01-19-2012 06:46 PM

This car is going to be 2700-2768 lbs from the looks of it. Add the driver weight average of 170lbs you are looking at 2900-2950lbs. 200hp means on most calculators (we have nothing real world to go off of) will estimate it to run somewhere between 14.3 to 14.9 in the 1/4 mile.

For comparison purposes the 1999 Type R runs 14.7 or so stock with very similar specs.

Driver skill, tires, track conditions, how abusive you launch, track prep, how much above sea level the track is all will affect things.

ryude 01-19-2012 06:47 PM

I don't think this car will have any problems at all running 14s stock, 0-60 should be similar to it's competitors as well.

Max Schnell 01-19-2012 07:05 PM

Lets not be too optimistic here either. The BMW E30 M3 has similar numbers and runs 15.6 1/4mi stock.


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