oil change at 1000 miles! thoughts?
 

I recently swapped my AT for a new MT and i had just put 1000 miles. I went to the dealer to get a filter 7.50. Then i bought 6 quarts of mobile 1 0W20 enhanced fuel economy 7.10 a quart... due to the fact that mobile one dose not make a basic 0w20 any more. Reason being that i opened this thread is to ask 2 questions. First what is the circular peace of metal that came with the filter(i thought that it was for the drain plug but it did not fit). Second being what you guys thought abut an oil change at 1000 miles.http://www.ft86club.com/forums/images/smilies/bs.gif

I also thought that circle metal was for the drain plug's washer,, hmm.

Changing oil at 1000 mile is just personal preference. Some change at 500, 1000, 1500, 3000, 5000 or even at 7500.

Modern machining processes are really good these days..
And so are the filters used to catch minuscule pieces of metal and sand.
So changing the oil out early isn't necessary anymore..
Also some manufacturers have a special breakin oil with moly added.. I think Honda still does this.. Best to follow manufacturers advice if in doubt..
If they say 7500 is the normal interval.. I usually do my first change at half that..

Even though I believe that it's probably not necessary with the manufacturing techniques used today I did it and since it made me feel good it was worth it.

What ever make you happy, man.
I would change my oil at the interval the manufacturer recommended. If it's 7,500 miles interval, you can change at 5,000 miles. Depend on how you drive your car, and what oil do you use.
Synthetic oil is good up to 10,000 miles, or more.

Change your oil early (Before the recommended interval) if:
- You live in a humid area.
- You drive your car short distances.
- You drive your car hard, and tow heavy objects.

Most people change their oil at 5,000 - 7,500 miles. Your car is a sport car, so expect to change oil sooner.

The 3,000 miles interval is back in the day. Today oil is more quality.

Next time you change your oil. If you don't see sludge in your oil, then you are good at that interval.

New car burn, use up more oil so, check your oil level often. Fill more oil if need to.

Early factory fill drains generally fall into two camps:

1) Those that do. Generally older folks who are stuck in their ways, or those that like to err on the side of caution. These guys feel that shearing metal from newly cast engine internals need to be removed asap as they may cause ill effects down the road...

2) Those that don't. These people feel that the additives in the factory fill, mixed with the assembly lubes, create a powerful anti-friction mixture that helps new engines to break in properly. Draining this mix too soon, can have ill effects down the road...

Who's right? Don't know, but chances are, whichever you choose, you're not really going to know the difference, anyway.

Our cars do not use break in oil.

Yes they do. The factory fill Idemitsu has higher levels of moly, zinc, and phosphorus. While some of the moly is from assembly lube as KSC mentioned, the factory fill oil is also formulated with additional moly. Ask Idemitsu.

-Dennis

Whichever mileage spec is used, it's a good idea to change out oil and filter at 6 month intervals max due to oil oxidation. For my short haul 2nd car use, 6 months works out to about 3K-4K miles.

I'm an older folk who just follows the owner's manual. They wrote it for a reason.

I changed my oil at 1k3 and the color was pretty dark. I will do another when it hits 3k and I will do it every 3k miles.

It's the cheapest thing you can do to your car to make its last longer. Only $30.

first one for me will be at 3000 miles, then again at 7500, and every 7500 after that. I figured I would take a middle ground as far as the change is concerned. :thumbsup:

If that metal ring is not a crush washer, what is it? :iono: The guy who sold me the oil at Toyota called it a crush washer....then again, he also said that I only needed 5 quarts.... :bonk:

You swapped your AT FRS for a MT FRS? Sounds like an inconvenience....

That is wrong. Synthetic oil doesn't oxidize like organic does. Take a look at the oil analysis thread, and then take a look at this

My 2003 BMW had oil change intervals of 18,000 miles. Generally I did it at 15k miles, but if you're really paranoid there's always an oil analysis. Hell, even the U.S. Army stopped doing regular oil changes in garrison, instead defaulting to oil analysis. It's saved them millions of dollars in oil and parts alone, not considering that they have to dispose of or recycle all of their oil. And that's a big admission from one of the largest (if not THE largest) fleet maintenance program(s) in the world.

Holy hell I thought my Honda CR-Z went a long way between oil changes. Based on the oil life % info the car displays I'm averaging roughly 11k miles in between the need to change.
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I agree that it will not oxidize within 6 months, but synthetic oil can oxidize. All you need to do is use a lab that checks for oxidation and you can see this. Blackstone does not check for oxidation. In all likelihood most oils can go to 7,500 miles in an FR-S/BRZ, although a comparison to a BMW is apples to oranges. BMW's also require an oil with a particular specification (BMW LL-01).

Although I think it's overkill, I believe the BRZ/FR-S has a minimum time interval of 7.5 months for warranty purposes. Is that correct?

-Dennis

From your link, I didn't see them discussing a time interval, only mileage:

"The Right Time To Change Your Oil

So where does this leave the car owner who was raised on the perceived wisdom of the 3,000-mile oil change? For a full discussion, your next stop should be our related article, "When Should You Change Your Oil?," which will save you hundreds of dollars over the next few years and fully protect your car and its warranty, while limiting the use of a natural resource.

The short answer, meanwhile, is to consult your service manual or Edmunds' maintenance section to learn your car's actual oil change schedule...

Let the Manual Guide You

Oil change information is in the maintenance chapter of your owner's manual."

And the Scheduled Maintenance Guide for my Toyota FJ Cruiser specifies replacing the oil and filter every 5,000 miles OR 6 months for normal use, more frequently for towing or off-road use. It makes no distinction between oil type, the schedule applies to dino or synthetic.

So long as my vehicle is under warranty, I'll stick to the Toyota factory recommendations using OEM filters. I'm a DIYer so save all receipts in case of any oil related warranty claim as happened last month.

My FR-S hasn't arrived yet, maybe someone here can quote their scheduled maintenance guide to see what the latest factory change intervals are.

I found the FR-S Scheduled Maintenance Guide online. In order to keep the factory warranty in force, engine oil and filter must be changed at least every 7,500 miles OR 7½ months, whichever comes first for normal duty, more frequently for severe duty.

http://a230.g.akamai.net/7/230/83646...ranty_2013.pdf

If you've had a harsh cycle, get an oil analysis at 5000 miles. If they say you're good to go, I would just swap filters halfway through the cycle if you want to be cautious. Even with a 15,000-18,000 mile interview on my old 3-series, I'd drop in a new filter (also under the hood) every 3k miles, especially once the mileage got high and you get coked up resins/residue chunks breaking free.

Edit: What's this I hear about free oil changes from Subaru? Is that a dealer incentive or universal?

The OEM filter is very capable of handling 7,500 oil change intervals, but I'm not sure how it would do in an interview. It probably wouldn't say much.

Free Subaru oil changes are dealer specific.

-Dennis

OEM standard for two years with Scion US/CA, don't know about Subaru.

I understand what you're saying about analysis vs. changeout, but should an oil related failure occur an owner will need to document oil and filter change receipts (from anywhere or DIY) complying with specified intervals or risk denial of a claim.

But is says fore severe duty 3500 mile oil change intervals. Which could mean driving 1 mile to work each day since you aren't warming up the car, or driving in a hilly area, or a dusty area, basically anything can be considered severe duty. With this engine it only makes sense to change it every 3500 miles if you know how to read between the lines in the service manual.

As far as changing the oil at 1k miles, absolutely. Look at your build date, odds are the oil has been in the engine more than the 5.5 months by 1k miles.

I've had warranty work performed and my oil change intervals were at the normal intervals while my actual driving conditions were severe. My intervals were based on uoa's. I also run the Honeywell filter which people think, "OMG, Fram filters are the SuCK"! No problems handling 6,000 mile intervals in my turbo with a Cobb reflash.

And no use in changing the factory fill too early either, especially when people usually change it to an oil with a weaker additive pack than the oil used at the factory. If the car sits on the lot for 8 months, do you think that the dealer is going to change the oil before you buy it? That's doubtful, IMO. :)

No use in guessing when all you have to do is have your oil analyzed to determine a safe interval.

-Dennis