Michelin Pilot Super Sports
 

Swapped out stock Primacy's for some Pilot Super Sports and so far I am loving these tires. Really wanted to do dedicated wheels and tires for auto cross but wasn't in the budget this year. Testing the new skins on Sunday hopefully through the cones, but so far these tires have really raised the handling to a whole new level. Of course the downside is now I notice the lack of power a bit more but plenty of time to fix that. Figured I give the new rubber a shout out.

Our car lost around 7MPG switching from the OEM tires to the Z1 Star Specs or EHP equivalent. :)

PSS Is an amazing Street Tire! best of all they have nice treadwear

Love the PSS both on the track and on the streets!

Cant go wrong wit these tires

Wow, 7 mpg! I will have to watch that and see what I loose. I still averaged 28 with snows and I can't imagine the Super Sports being worse than those for rolling resistance

FWIW I didn't see any mileage drop at all when I went from the Primacy to ExtremeContact DWs.

I lost only .5mpg switching to the DW. After lowering the car and adding a K&N, I have gotten than .5mpg back.

I can't imagine the PSS would be any different than the DW...maybe by .1-.2MPG at most.

I figured as much. Did you go wider or taller at all? My DW are stock 215/45R17.

I just came from Dunlop WS3D 205/50/17 winter tires and 150lbs of ballast to my 225/45/17 MPSS, so my mileage report will probably be wonky; also switched to a 5-6lb lighter wheel at the same time and I can't find weights for my winter tire. That said, I'm still getting ~30-35mpg on highway stints with steady throttle input at 65-70mph. My non-highway figures don't matter as I sit in traffic for my commute.

Stock size.

what size are you running?

At the time, 215/45/17 Z1 Star Specs. No changes after running 225/45/17 RS3 compared to the 215/45/17 Z1SS. OEM tires = 33MPG, EHP tires = 26MPG. Definitely head scratcher...

OEM tires are lightweight and LRR rated versus your stiff as (insert imagination here) ZII...but I'm betting you've been getting into the gas more too.

Could it be the diff and tranny motul gear 300 and 5-30 weight engine oil? I noticed less mpg with 5-30 then even more after i got my diff and tranny fluids flushed with gear 300 75-90 from motul. Could be just in my head though and i am just driving harder now.

It's possible, but remember the viscosity would be similar to what you would see with OEM fill and shouldn't affect the mileage when it's up to temp. Maybe during start up or cold temps. :)

Just an observation. We're not complaining. It gets way better MPG than the S2000 on the street though. The track MPG is very different however...:confused0068:

Haha yeah I was just pointing out possible explanations. I feel like I am getting around only 260mi from full till the bar is at the very bottom past reserve light. It could be from my dowshifting to red light and perhaps I am accelerating to aggressively. Is the track mpg horrible compared to the S2000? At the track 20-25min sessions I am using up almost or at 1/4 tank of gas depending on the track.

Mileage surely didn't change that much due to tires! Something else is up...

The idea that grippy street tires have higher rolling resistance is a bit of a myth. Extreme tires should have a slight advantage due to bigger tread blocks that squirm less, and often reduced tread depth also reducing squirm.

On a 2-wheel electric vehicle project, my company went to Pirelli for tires and asked for their lowest rolling resistance in our size, it was a serious sportbike tire. Cool...

FWIW, Dunlop Direzza ZII (starspec replacement) in 205/45-17 qualifies as LRR, "Low Rolling Resistance"!

That said, if you have *any* toe at all, a grippier tire will give more drag due to scrub.

+1 for Pilot Super Sport. I had these on my Evo and they were great. Plus in stock BRZ size, they are cheaper than OEM tires.

Mathematically it would take more then that tire weight.
Driving style, ect would have to come into play too. Unless you managed a 12" wide tire

Super sports get the absolute BEST survey results at TireRack.com

0 toe all around. :)

Same driving style. We drive those same roads all the time to the different racetracks. We even draft off of our friends as an experiment as well. The CSG BRZ has gained 23k miles on the odometer in 6 months of activity. :)

They are a decent tire. I doubt they are as good as tirerack ratings suggest.
Personally, I thought long and hard about these versus Conti DW and decided to give them a shot despite the price premium, mostly because I had DW's before and want to compate.

However, somehow they don't seem to work too well down under...

That Australian test puzzles me. I wonder if they get the same tires/tire compounds that we do. Clearly, some of them are different - the ContiSportContact 5 tires we get are typical lousy overpriced OEM tires that don't hold a candle to the DWs performance-wise.

Just put on 225/45/17 PSS last week and they are great! I have noticed a slight decrease in gas MPG, but that is because I'm pushing on the gas a little harder with stickier tires

To those of you running the MPSS at stock size. Grippy is nice, but getting some oversteer around the corner is fun too. Essentially wanting to know if the car maintains its "fun" quality. I guess another way of looking at this is....is the car under-powered for the grip of the tires? Thanks....

Just put the stock size mpss on yesterday...all I can say is HUGE improvement in every way. I came from an e36 m3 with mpss and I instantly did not like the primacys. Here is what I noticed after the swap.

-about the same road noise
-significantly improved steering feel, love the sidewall response
-more traction, but not like a crazy amount, I've driven a frs with wider tires and its not like that
- I felt that the stock tires had a sort of "bouncy ness" that I feel the mpss took away
-vastly improved wet weather traction, living in seattle this is probably my main reason for getting the mpss

Overall I feel the mpss are a HUGE improvement over stock...they just "feel" better, less like a rental Camry and more like a 911

I can't speak to the MPSS specifically, but after going to grippier max performance summers the car does lose some of that tail-happy nature even in stock size. It's still possible to break the tail loose, it's just not quite as easy.

I would say the handling dynamic is the same, just with a higher threshold. Everything just happens at higher speed but breakaway is a little less abrupt. The seat of the pants dyno now makes me wish for another 50hp for the 1st time though

Just got home from the dealer after swapping OEM tires for the MPSS. I echo the "night and day" response from the thread. The steering has a more on-center feel and the car feels more settled all around (probably the rubber they "should" have put on the car). I used to run these tires on my '10 GT3 and loved them. I used to say that if Michelin PS2 and Sport Cups had a child...it would be the MP Super Sports!

Track report to come soon....

Size and approx PSI?

Stock 215/45/17, think they filled it to 35 cold. I usually run this tire at low-mid 30's hot on my other cars, although I will see how they work at those pressures with such a light car.

I loved the Pilot Super Sports on my 550i. They did wear a bit quickly, I must say. They also got sort of slippery on the track, but it was a 4000lbs car. Wonderfully predictable on losing grip once they were a bit warmed up. Tons of fun. When I'm done with the Primacys, I'll switch to them, probably. Then again, there are soooooo many options...

The stock which was swapped out for Pilot Super Sports cars are really gorgeous. The new styles of tires are also impressive. I am madly waiting for Sunday when you view the new skins. Thank you so much.

I just bought PS2s for my FRS, and i lose traction like its nothing?

What do people have their tire pressure set at?

running 225/40/18 && 255/35/18

PS2 or pilot super sport? different tires. Tires should be set at what the door says.

PS2, but they are different sizes, isn't the door PSi for stock set up.

Usually they recommend what's on the door. You can always change from there. Tires can go much higher, of course, but when you heat them up, they'll go higher still. Just try some different amounts until you find something that grips better. You can also draw with chalk on the treat and see if it's rubbed off evenly after you drive. If there's more left in the middle, you're under-inflated. More on the edges and you're over inflated.

are these what come on the trd car? I believe I will be ordering a set of these tires myself.

I swear by the Super sports for all around tires. with a bit of spirited driving and normal commuting they are the real deal, and they also look sweet. The only issue we had with them is that they get eaten up real quick :(, very very quick but that was on a torque crazy monster cl63 and a Ferrari 458 so i assume they are going to last a lot on the 86's.

I had Super Sports on my Mk6 gti they made a huge difference. I used the stock oem size as well, however with the brz should i go up one size larger in tire from the 215 stock to a 225?