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FRSFirestorm 04-07-2013 11:37 AM

DIY - Fog Light Powered with Factory Stalk and BCM
 
I was asked to make this post by some forum members after input to another.

First things first. Install some Fog Lights. I won't go into this in much detail. Here is a very long thread that should cover anything about this part.

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showt...ory+fog+lights

Here are some pics of my install.

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/i...ps204dd336.jpg

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/i...psadd403d2.jpg

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/i...ps60bbcdc3.jpg

The next thing that needs to be done is to get some sort of switch in the cab to turn them on and off. This can be as simple as an aftermarket harness and switch, or my choice to make them as factory as possible and use a headlight stalk with a fog light option.

Here is the thread that covers the most of this.

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showt...ight=brz+stalk

Here are some pictures I took while installing the stalk, unfortunately the job soon became a 3 handed operation and the camera was set aside.

You play with an airbag so get the battery disconnected. Also make sure the wheel is straight.

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/i...psce159fd0.jpg

To get the airbag loose from is a simple matter of a small flat screwdriver through access holes on both sides and bottom of wheel. There are springs that hold it in place. Get the screwdriver blade on them and a gentle press and the bag pops loose. Have to hit all three.

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/i...psbe3886eb.jpg

Once the bag is loose you need to disconnect it. A ground and the two power leads. The leads are locked so you must pry up the lock to disconnect them.

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/i...psa7eb8104.jpg

Once you have the airbag out of the way this is what you have facing you.

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/i...ps9cea04df.jpg

Unplug the white connector in the top of the picture. Remove the nut in the center of the wheel and gently pull the wheel toward you to remove it.

Once the wheel is off this is what is in front of you.

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/i...ps4bded7ff.jpg

Unfortunately this where the two hands came into play and the picture taking stopped.

I'll try and describe the steps from here.

Remove the two screws from the wheel covering. Gently remove the bottom cover by seperating top from bottom.

Next unplug everything you basically see. Lower left side is a white connector for the headlamp assembly. Lower Center is a white and yellow connector for the steering position sensor. The yellow connector has a specialty lock that has to be slid forward to get it disconnected. There is also a connector to the right side and rear of the steering sensor. There are 3 clips that hold the steering sensor. Unsnap them and gently pull it off. Keeping it clocked to the same location. Keep the yellow indicator in the window.

To remove the headlamp stalk you need to compress the clamp on the back side and pull up the plastic lock underneath the spring at the 12 O'clock position and gently wiggle it off. Its. not easy.... Once you have it off transfer the turn signal switch to the new stalk and reverse the procedures to put everything back.

The new stalk with fog light switch puts in a new circuit that basically grounds the fog light input to the BCM and activates the outputs to power the fog lights along with turning on the indicator.

The thread I linked for the stalks talks about tapping into the white wire to signal an aftermarket wire harness. DO NOT DO THIS. Leave it alone. Just plug in the new stalk and move on.

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/i...ps0fdc064c.jpg

FRSFirestorm 04-07-2013 11:37 AM

After you've installed a stalk with the fog light option and you turn it on the BCM then will fuse and power your new fog lights. The fuses and relay are already in the BCM. You don't need an after market harness with a relay.

Here is a grab from the BRZ Electrical Manual. We need to complete the wiring to the actual fog lights. The wiring is already in the harness currently in the car but rather than digging through the harness under the hood I chose to run two new wires to the fog lights. The better option which is developing as I make this DIY thread is to tap into the OEM harness behind the front bumper at the turn signal connector. I'll cover it later.

If you don't wish to remove the nose of the car the following is an option. I choose it because I didn't want to remove the the front end to find where the wires terminated.

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/i...ps6f7eae83.jpg


In the schematic above everything shaded in blue is internal to the BCM. We need to tap into the connection points pin 3 and pin 5 of connector C3.

The BCM and this connector are behind the panel under the steering wheel. You remove the panel to the left side of the dash and remove one screw there. There is another screw to the bottom right of the panel that needs to be removed Then the panel just pops loose.

Here is a schematic of the BCU and the location of the pins we are tapping into.

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/i...ps336e8ee9.jpg

This is a picture of C3 plugged into the BCM. With the red/white (pin 3) and white/red (pin 5) from the schematic above. These are the 12v outputs from the BCM when the fogs are turned on.

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/i...psa95ef766.jpg

Cut and splice into each of these wires and feed them to the out to the fog lights. The red/white to the drivers side and the white/red to the passenger side.

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/i...psdf6fb536.jpg

These wires will provide the power side of the fog lights. Find a ground somewhere near the lights to complete the wiring to them.

Flick the switch and enjoy.

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/i...ps4dd6d4e3.jpg

FRSFirestorm 04-07-2013 11:38 AM

This is the second and the better option. I was strapped for time and had to complete mine. Didn't want to pull the front bumper. Sometime in the future I will and undo the wires that I've run

After installing the stalk and fogs remove the front cover.

Find the connector that the turn signals plugged to. On the drivers side the red/white wire or 12v power for the fogs will be in that connector. Either splice into the wire there and run it to one side of the Drivers fog connector and the other to a convient ground location. Do the same on the drivers side but the wire will be the white/red.

Here are some pictures of the connectors behind the front cover.

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/i...ps62e5a7e3.jpg

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/i...psb4a8ba33.jpg

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/i...ps63133aa5.jpg

OmarGC 04-07-2013 02:04 PM

Yes

Tama-Y 04-07-2013 06:29 PM

Thanks @FRSFirestorm!

Sco2355 04-07-2013 06:37 PM

Thanks for the updated wiring setup. Glad this is getting better and better.

Zagmeister 04-07-2013 07:28 PM

Indeed - it is getting better, easier, and cleaner with time.

Thank you all.

FRSFirestorm 04-07-2013 08:37 PM

I don't know how to finish it now :) Since the wiring has been tracked down behind the bumper.

Zagmeister 04-07-2013 08:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FRSFirestorm (Post 848601)
I don't know how to finish it now :) Since the wiring has been tracked down behind the bumper.

FRSFirestorm,

You've done more than your fair share - you put us all on the right track. Thanks.

Retro86 04-08-2013 01:47 AM

thanks for this!!

lbroskee 04-08-2013 01:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FRSFirestorm (Post 847805)
After you've installed a stalk with the fog light option and you turn it on the BCM then will fuse and power your new fog lights. You just have to wire the. The fuses and relay are already in the BCM. You don't need an after market harness with a relay.

Here is a grab from the BRZ Electrical Manual. We need to complete the wiring to the actual fog lights. The wiring is already in the harness currently in the car but rather than digging through the harness under the hood I chose to run two new wires to the fog lights.

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/i...ps6f7eae83.jpg


In the schematic above everything shaded in blue is internal to the BCM. We need to tap into the connection points pin 3 and pin 5 of connector C3.

The BCM and this connector are behind the panel under the steering wheel. You remove the panel to the left side of the dash and remove one screw there. There is another screw to the bottom right of the panel that needs to be removed Then the panel just pops loose.

Here is a schematic of the BCU and the location of the pins we are tapping into.

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/i...ps336e8ee9.jpg



TO BE Continued.

so is nigels harness useless for this route?

Retro86 04-08-2013 02:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lbroskee (Post 849156)
so is nigels harness useless for this route?

yes. all you need is about 24" wire and a couple of female flat pin terminals.

FRSFirestorm 04-08-2013 07:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lbroskee (Post 849156)
so is nigels harness useless for this route?

The nigel harness is mostly useless for this route. As already mentioned all you need is about 24" leads to tap into the OEM harness but you also will need the connectors for the fog light bulb itself which the nigel harness has but I'm sure they can be found by themselves and much cheaper.

FRSFirestorm 04-08-2013 09:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Retro86 (Post 849148)
thanks for this!!

Can I use your photo's from the other thread for this threa? The connector's behind the front nose.

Retro86 04-08-2013 01:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FRSFirestorm (Post 849477)
Can I use your photo's from the other thread for this threa? The connector's behind the front nose.

sure feel free to use it :thumbup:

86 FRS 04-08-2013 07:00 PM

so this set up, can only turn the fogs on, with parking lights or headlights are on?

FRSFirestorm 04-08-2013 07:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 86 FRS (Post 850841)
so this set up, can only turn the fogs on, with parking lights or headlights are on?

Headlights, low beam only.

Low&Slow 04-08-2013 10:21 PM

If i may ask, where did you purchase your fog lights at? ( Light, bezzel, etc..)

Juanito08 04-08-2013 10:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Low&Slow (Post 851322)
If i may ask, where did you purchase your fog lights at? ( Light, bezzel, etc..)

Did you not read the second paragraph? :bonk:

OP is it cool if I update my thread and add a link to this one?

imravenit 04-09-2013 03:23 AM

hmm i hope this is not a stupid question but where did you buy the stalk with the fog light option? thanks in advance

FRSFirestorm 04-09-2013 05:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Low&Slow (Post 851322)
If i may ask, where did you purchase your fog lights at? ( Light, bezzel, etc..)

Please refer to the link I posted for the fog light install.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Juanito08 (Post 851341)
OP is it cool if I update my thread and add a link to this one?

Sure.

Quote:

Originally Posted by imravenit (Post 851825)
hmm i hope this is not a stupid question but where did you buy the stalk with the fog light option? thanks in advance

Toward the end of the stalk install link I posted the part number is posted. I don't remember it or I'd post it. I just googled that part number and several parts places showed up. I just picked the cheapest one and ordered it. It was a dealership with online parts presence.

imravenit 04-09-2013 07:47 AM

is it this one?

http://www.toyotapartszone.com/oem/t...140-02670.html


subaru has it too? $60?
http://subarupartsforyou.com/cp_part...p?partid=23294

FRSFirestorm 04-09-2013 08:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by imravenit (Post 851943)

Yep. That's it.

imravenit 04-09-2013 08:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FRSFirestorm (Post 851962)
Yep. That's it.

so you went with the tundra stalk correct?


Quote:

Originally Posted by FRSFirestorm (Post 847806)
This is the second and the better option. I was strapped for time and had to complete mine. Didn't want to pull the front bumper. Sometime in the future I will and undo the wires that I've run

After installing the stalk and fogs remove the front cover.

Find the connector that the turn signals plugged to. On the drivers side the red/white wire or 12v power for the fogs will be in that connector. Either splice into the wire there and run it to one side of the Drivers fog connector and the other to a convient ground location. Do the same on the drivers side but the wire will be the white/red.

Here are some pictures of the connectors behind the front cover.

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/i...ps62e5a7e3.jpg

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/i...psb4a8ba33.jpg

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/i...ps63133aa5.jpg


so with this approach theres no meed to tap into the bcm c3 anymore correct?

OmarGC 04-09-2013 08:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FRSFirestorm (Post 847806)

Find the connector that the turn signals plugged to. On the drivers side the red/white wire or 12v power for the fogs will be in that connector. Either splice into the wire there and run it to one side of the Drivers fog connector and the other to a convient ground location. Do the same on the drivers side but the wire will be the white/red.

Completely lost here...

Retro86 04-09-2013 09:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by imravenit (Post 851943)

get the subaru stalk. its cheaper. plus its oem. :thumbsup:

Retro86 04-09-2013 09:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by imravenit (Post 851986)
so you went with the tundra stalk correct?





so with this approach theres no meed to tap into the bcm c3 anymore correct?

yup! just need a female connector pin or make shift connection anyway you like runnin through the connector.

imravenit 04-09-2013 09:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Retro86 (Post 852065)
yup! just need a female connector pin or make shift connection anyway you like runnin through the connector.


its coming a lil bit all together now .. so if i understand this correctly.. once ive installed the brz stalk no wiring needed basically just switch stalks..

locate the connector for the signal lights for both driver and passenger tap in to the red/white wire vice versa and then find a ground for fog lights .. flick the saitch and it should work?


on the side note i thought the brz stalk has the auto headlights feature?

Retro86 04-09-2013 09:22 AM

yup the stalk is plug and play. its easy pare.

the stalk does have the auto feature but with all the progress that we are having so far, its just a matter of time til we figure out how to add the auto headlight module just like the GT86. and when that time comes your car is already prepped :thumbsup:

imravenit 04-09-2013 09:28 AM

salamat pare! i got the bezel, lights, jus need the stalk and some wires..

Retro86 04-09-2013 09:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OmarGC (Post 852009)
Completely lost here...

he's talking about the turn signal connector. the fog(red/white, power, 12v) wires ends there.

imravenit 04-09-2013 10:26 AM

im sure theres a ground wire off that connector too..

OmarGC 04-09-2013 02:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Retro86 (Post 852127)
he's talking about the turn signal connector. the fog(red/white, power, 12v) wires ends there.

I got that much but which side is red/white and which side is white/red... It only refers to the driver side. Re-read it and you'll see what I mean...

KAR 04-09-2013 02:55 PM

Is it possible to be able to turn it on with the parking lights like how the BMW fogs works

FRSFirestorm 04-09-2013 04:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by imravenit (Post 851986)
so you went with the tundra stalk correct?

Yes, I didn't want the Auto location in the BRZ staldk



so with this approach theres no meed to tap into the bcm c3 anymore correct?

No need to touch C3.

Quote:

Originally Posted by imravenit (Post 852200)
im sure theres a ground wire off that connector too..

I'd say there is. The ground for the turn signals.

Quote:

Originally Posted by OmarGC (Post 852791)
I got that much but which side is red/white and which side is white/red... It only refers to the driver side. Re-read it and you'll see what I mean...

2 wires to light a 12v bulb. 12v+ and ground. The drivers side turn signal connector has red/white wire with 12v+. The passenger side turn signal connector has white/red wire with 12v+.

Quote:

Originally Posted by KAR (Post 852924)
Is it possible to be able to turn it on with the parking lights like how the BMW fogs works

Not with this method. To do this you need a stand alone switch.

Tama-Y 04-09-2013 05:48 PM

Slightly off, but still on topic. Is anyone aware what the EU GT86 Stalk part number would be? I am interested in setting the fogs on the stalk, but would like to have the option of a rear fog light as well. I personally feel that the rear 4th brake light concept is not the "correct" way to utilize the option. I would like to keep it as intended, a rear fog light.

See the Youtube link for what I'm specifically referring to. [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVzSXSYefjA"]Toyota GT86 euro - Light indicator stalk - YouTube[/ame]

@FRSFirestorm, any thoughts on this? Or better yet, maybe an Extended DIY? :)

Retro86 04-09-2013 06:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tama-Y (Post 853369)
Slightly off, but still on topic. Is anyone aware what the EU GT86 Stalk part number would be? I am interested in setting the fogs on the stalk, but would like to have the option of a rear fog light as well. I personally feel that the rear 4th brake light concept is not the "correct" way to utilize the option. I would like to keep it as intended, a rear fog light.

See the Youtube link for what I'm specifically referring to. Toyota GT86 euro - Light indicator stalk - YouTube

@FRSFirestorm, any thoughts on this? Or better yet, maybe an Extended DIY? :)

this has been discussed over here...

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=29954

that is my next project. actual rear foglight indicator on the guage engaged.

norm24 04-10-2013 10:14 AM

Where'd you guys ground the other end of the fog lights? is there a location near the connector behind the bumper?

FRSFirestorm 04-10-2013 10:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by norm24 (Post 854784)
Where'd you guys ground the other end of the fog lights? is there a location near the connector behind the bumper?

I grounded here at a factory ground point. You can see 3 (with fog ground) in the picture. This is looking down into the engine compartment. The yellow part is the oil fill tube. There is another ground point directly accross the bay for the passenger side.

From the pictures it looks like there is a ground wire in the connectors for the turn signals. A possiblility. The black wires have to be grounds.

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/i...psae8d3645.jpg

BatStig 04-10-2013 01:47 PM

Am I correct in thinking that the last thing needed to make the fogs 100% plug & play is the wire harness in this ebay listing:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/151013458015...witem=&vxp=mtr


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