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StevenDavisPhoto 01-14-2012 01:14 AM

Stock ride height or lower?
 
Hey Guys, I'm wondering if you guys are gonna lower your FRS/BRZ. I currently have an 06 Scion TC, and have the TRD lowering springs. I also have the stock lip kit. I tend to scrape a lot and I'm getting tired of having to be so careful all the time. Maybe if I only did ONE of those it would have been fine. So what's your plan? Lower? Kit? Both? None? I figure this thing is gonna handle really well already in stock form, and I may not do body mods, cuz things always get banged up when you do. I might just do a minor drop and some new wheels and leave the rest of the lower car alone. You?

HotLavaMann 01-14-2012 01:38 AM

I'd like to drop it about 3/4 of an inch just for looks as those wheel wells are just a bit too high for my taste. But agree that scraping would be painful so not too much of a drop.

TylerLieberman 01-14-2012 01:50 AM

Coilovers, rolled fenders, tires stretched, cambered out, tuckin tire front and rear.

Low is the way to go. Lemme get somebody who says my intentions are all form and no function so I can E-slap you in the face

StevenDavisPhoto 01-14-2012 01:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TylerLieberman (Post 114089)
Low is the way to go. Lemme get somebody who says my intentions are all form and no function so I can E-slap you in the face

maybe, but i just do spirited daily driving commuting every day, plus my driveway is steep and i can't avoid scraping. i don't find it really necessary unless i was gonna track it. after having a lowered car for 6 years, it's too much of a headache for me. being 29, i'm getting bored with all the extreme mods. lookin to just go with the "clean" look for the next car.

poormans_LFA 01-14-2012 02:05 AM

an inch. no more.

TylerLieberman 01-14-2012 02:07 AM

Extreme would be tucking rim. Tucking the top bit of the sidewall isnt too much of a challenge. Especially after looking at the height of some of the demo cars with the wheel/tire setups they had.

miata 01-14-2012 04:00 AM

I will probably keep it stock and get designated summer tires and winter tires with the cost of lowering.

StevenDavisPhoto 01-14-2012 04:06 AM

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Originally Posted by miata (Post 114161)
I will probably keep it stock and get designated summer tires and winter tires with the cost of lowering.

man, glad i live in california where we can use the same tires year round.

fatoni 01-14-2012 04:07 AM

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Originally Posted by TylerLieberman (Post 114089)
Coilovers, rolled fenders, tires stretched, cambered out, tuckin tire front and rear.

Low is the way to go. Lemme get somebody who says my intentions are all form and no function so I can E-slap you in the face

terms like cambered out and tuckin tire and stretching tires scream image without regard to performance so you are right in expecting it

StevenDavisPhoto 01-14-2012 04:13 AM

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Originally Posted by fatoni (Post 114163)
terms like cambered out and tuckin tire and stretching tires scream image without regard to performance so you are right in expecting it

kinda how i feel. he may be right. idk. i'm not a tuner. i did all the modding back when i was in my early 20's and i'm kinda over it. i just want a clean car with some subtle mods.

Levi 01-14-2012 07:20 AM

Yes about 30 mm lowering with wheelspacers. That will be all until total conversion.

DIG1992 01-14-2012 07:31 AM

keeping her stock or maybe an inch

coyote 01-14-2012 07:53 AM

I'll probably raise mine a few mm.

chulooz 01-14-2012 09:47 AM

I dont think Id want to deal with anything more than a couple inches for a drop. Its going to be hard to watch people toss out performance for looks on these cars, but it shouldnt happen too quickly.

Racecomp Engineering 01-14-2012 10:40 AM

We will likely have a mild drop spring and a more aggressive drop spring for the car. Too low is a problem for most aftermarket springs and we stay away from that as we focus on function and performance (which can look great too).

- drew

ft86Fan 01-14-2012 10:41 AM

I'll most likely change to coilovers after 60,000 miles and drop it about an inch.

Dave-ROR 01-14-2012 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Racecomp Engineering (Post 114220)
We will likely have a mild drop spring and a more aggressive drop spring for the car. Too low is a problem for most aftermarket springs and we stay away from that as we focus on function and performance (which can look great too).

- drew

4" drop or go home! :)

Seriously though I can't wait to see what threaded body systems you guys do.

SVTSHC 01-14-2012 11:08 AM

I live in one of NY's five burroughs sooooooooo I'll be keeping mine stock ride height. If your intersections were shaped like W's you would too -__-... hate New York

random 01-14-2012 12:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TylerLieberman (Post 114089)
Coilovers, rolled fenders, tires stretched, cambered out, tuckin tire front and rear.

Low is the way to go. Lemme get somebody who says my intentions are all form and no function so I can E-slap you in the face

High is the way to go. Put 24" wheels on it and raise the suspension so I can sit as a high as Hummer.

tranzformer 01-14-2012 01:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TylerLieberman (Post 114089)
Coilovers, rolled fenders, tires stretched, cambered out, tuckin tire front and rear.

Low is the way to go. Lemme get somebody who says my intentions are all form and no function so I can E-slap you in the face

:slap:

I can understand coilovers but not the rolled fenders and stretched tires and chambered kit. Hella ugly IMHO.

TylerLieberman 01-14-2012 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by tranzformer (Post 114295)
:slap:

I can understand coilovers but not the rolled fenders and stretched tires and chambered kit. Hella ugly IMHO.

I'm not talking stupid camber and ridiculous stretched tires.

Look at the pic of my 14. Coilovers, stretched tires, cambered a bit, tucking the tread of the tire front and rear, front and rear wide fenders. Nothing extreme or not functional. The car sat just like that and i DD'd it and drifted it as it sat. 3rd gear entries, tandem, the whole 9 yards.

There is such a thing as hellaflush and very functional. The fanbois just constantly F*** it up and do it wrong.

fatoni 01-14-2012 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by TylerLieberman (Post 114313)
I'm not talking stupid camber and ridiculous stretched tires.

Look at the pic of my 14. Coilovers, stretched tires, cambered a bit, tucking the tread of the tire front and rear, front and rear wide fenders. Nothing extreme or not functional. The car sat just like that and i DD'd it and drifted it as it sat. 3rd gear entries, tandem, the whole 9 yards.

There is such a thing as hellaflush and very functional. The fanbois just constantly F*** it up and do it wrong.

im no engineer but i would bet my savings that there are more functional setups for the s14 than the one you are using. to each his own though. i bet that of the of people that post on topics like this, 5% ever end up buying the car and of the people that buy the car 5% of them actually modifiy it.

TylerLieberman 01-14-2012 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by fatoni (Post 114327)
im no engineer but i would bet my savings that there are more functional setups for the s14 than the one you are using. to each his own though. i bet that of the of people that post on topics like this, 5% ever end up buying the car and of the people that buy the car 5% of them actually modifiy it.

Cool story....But I'm pretty sure the car was very functional for it's purpose. Wasn't meant to be an autox or time attack car. Wasn't meant to be a show car. Wasn't meant to be a hardparked car. It was meant to be driveable on the streets, and be a kick ass drift car and it did all both amazingly well.

Like I said, there are ways to do it. Problem is most people don't know how. If you can give me a setup for this car that works better for its purpose, please lmk.

fatoni 01-14-2012 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by TylerLieberman (Post 114329)
Cool story....But I'm pretty sure the car was very functional for it's purpose. Wasn't meant to be an autox or time attack car. Wasn't meant to be a show car. Wasn't meant to be a hardparked car. It was meant to be driveable on the streets, and be a kick ass drift car and it did all both amazingly well.

Like I said, there are ways to do it. Problem is most people don't know how. If you can give me a setup for this car that works better for its purpose, please lmk.

im not trying to get into an internet fight about a topic that i dont care about but i bet you would see immediate benefits if you just went with smaller non staggered rims and maybe got a little suspension travel back. i dont know anything about your setup other than what i can see from the picture but like i said, to each his own

#87 01-14-2012 03:31 PM

I will base my decision on the stock ground clearance, not not some arbitrary number I am going to drop it. I lowered my Accord and have 4 inch ground clearance and have no problem getting around NYC. Will be looking to do the same with this car, a simple "I am/am not going to lower it" doesn't really make sense to me.

poormans_LFA 01-14-2012 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by tranzformer (Post 114295)
:slap:

Hella ugly IMHO.

you sure you're from Kansas??

:bellyroll:

Giccin 01-14-2012 04:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tranzformer (Post 114295)
Hella ugly IMHO.

+1
I don't like the HELLAFLUSH look one bit.

And yes. FUNCTION > FORM


Quote:

Originally Posted by TylerLieberman (Post 114313)
I'm not talking stupid camber and ridiculous stretched tires.

There is such a thing as hellaflush and very functional. The fanbois just constantly F*** it up and do it wrong.

There's a difference with yours. From my asian eyes yours looks pretty fitted. Which is a nice look.

The Chambered look doesn't suit well FOR ME at all.


To answer the thread.
Lower AT MOST 1 inch. But I might drop it 1/2 inch. Or maybe a few mm. But not following the crowd with the super-dropped-scraping-the-shit-out-of-the-ground-ultra-rubbing-exhaust-plastic-bag-picking-up car. Nothx.

Or submarines. nooooooo way.

#87 01-14-2012 04:31 PM

Herra frush scene is just a circle jerk anyway, they commend each other if they crack open their oil pan, need I say more?

poormans_LFA 01-14-2012 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by #87 (Post 114376)
Herra frush scene is just a circle jerk anyway, they commend each other if they crack open their oil pan, need I say more?

:bellyroll:

blur 01-14-2012 04:36 PM

Either stock or 1-1.5 inch drop for me. Just to get rid of the wheel gap and give it an exotic look. Who knows.

djdnz 01-14-2012 04:43 PM

Hoping for 1-1.5" drop. Whatever is necessary to get rid of the wheelgap. No tucking or stretched tires here.

Hopefully they release some parts to compensate for the drop with the rest of the suspension geometry.

SUB-FT86 01-14-2012 05:13 PM

I want a 1 inch drop to get rid of 60% of the stock wheel gap.

TylerLieberman 01-14-2012 05:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fatoni (Post 114339)
im not trying to get into an internet fight about a topic that i dont care about but i bet you would see immediate benefits if you just went with smaller non staggered rims and maybe got a little suspension travel back. i dont know anything about your setup other than what i can see from the picture but like i said, to each his own


The setup in that pic are 18s front and rear. At the track, I ran 17s front and rear most of the time. Some occasions I ran 17/18 staggered at times simply when I didn't have more 17s for the rear. As for suspension travel, the car had the full travel necessary. It never bottomed out or anything else. The dampening and springs were set pretty stiff so there wasn't much travel to begin with. Lol, being that a few of friends who are current XDC and Formula D drivers helped me fine tune the suspension on this car, I'm pretty sure it works.

But like you said, to each their own. I'll just have to replicate it with the FRS and show, again, that it can be done.:thumbup:

Mr.Jay 01-14-2012 05:27 PM

slight drop maybe 1inch at most but currently trying to decide if I go with springs and do the drop sooner than later or hold out for some coil overs to be developed

TylerLieberman 01-14-2012 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr.Jay (Post 114415)
slight drop maybe 1inch at most but currently trying to decide if I go with springs and do the drop sooner than later or hold out for some coil overs to be developed


Coils. Do it right/the way you want it the 1st time...it's cheaper in the end.

Longhorn248 01-14-2012 06:18 PM

At most I would lower it about a inch, the stock wheel gap is just a bit too much for me.

EJ20 01-14-2012 10:10 PM

1 inch for me too.

TylerLieberman 01-15-2012 12:26 AM

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Originally Posted by EJ20 (Post 114503)
1 inch for me too.


Thats what she said??:lol:

SpeedR 01-16-2012 12:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TylerLieberman (Post 114089)
Coilovers, rolled fenders, tires stretched, cambered out, tuckin tire front and rear.

Low is the way to go. Lemme get somebody who says my intentions are all form and no function so I can E-slap you in the face

Hi tyler

Still into hard parking I see. :slap:

blur 01-16-2012 01:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LSxJunkie (Post 115169)
There is no functional benefit to stretched tires. Period. If your setup is safe and you're happy with it, good for you. However, a 245 on an 8" wheel and a 245 on a 10" wheel do the same thing. You'll actually get more traction out of the 8" wheel set up.

Actually, best motoring compared identical 17 inch and 18 inch tire and the 18 was faster and more responsive due to reduced sidewall flex. But the reason 17s are so popular is because tires are much cheaper...


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