Hill Holder on Manual Transmission?
 

Will the manual transmissions come with hill-holder as a feature or option?

there are hills in texas? O.o


j/k i doubt it man. it's not a common feature.

It's called the e-brake.

learn to drive. brake, feather the clutch, gas with the heel. then you start moving

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I certainly hope it doesn't have this "feature". Just one more thing to have fail. Why add the extra complexity when any competent driver has zero use for it?

I hope not, but I guess it doesn't really matter that much.

Jeff

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Hm... agree w most of the member here, but THAT doesn't mean it won't. Subie have been putting a lot of options on this car, so it might... but highly doubt it

My brother's 2011 STi has it...

So does, Forester, Charger, some FIAT, BMW, Alpha Romeo, Citroen, Lancia, Benz, VW, Lamborghini, Saab, GM, Ford and lists goes on & on... but that doesn't mean this will come w it.

We don't know til official announce it

It would be built into the electronic throttle calibration. The number of failure points would be minimal.

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To make it even easier, for those who aren't capable or comfortable with people using their toe and heel on two different pedals at once.

Simply put the car in gear, keep your foot on the brake and slowly release the clutch until it starts to grab. RPMs will decrease, car will shake (similar to what you might have done when you started driving a stick shift). Take your foot off the brake and the car will stay in place. It will not roll backwards. At that point, you just take off as you would any other time.

No need for pointless crap. Just another thing to fail or go wrong, and another useless feature that would probably just add to the price of the car-which NONE of us want.

^ 3rd option: Use the handbrake, release the clutch slowly until it starts biting, apply accelerator and release handbrake at the same time, then drive off as normal ;)

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Would be nice but I'm not expecting it. I didn't realize so many cars had it. I only knew of the current Prius (my mom's) that had it.

Com'on, the AS1 is a driver's car, not a p****'s car!

Damn I was hoping to put in a smart ass hand break comment but y'all beat me to it.
Well +5

That's how i do it if the hill is steep enough, or if i know the lights are about to change i don't stop, i just slow down enough so that i'm at the line when they are turning green :)

you get used to it though without the hill start - it should be reserved for heavy executive saloon/sedans imo - i dont like that it will come on the uk spec...

http://bosman.co.uk/gt86/photo1.jpg

it looks like its a standard feature on the UK spec model (this is a UK order sheet)

but it'll probably be an option for other guys

So now my electronic parking brake is going to be engaging and disengaging 10 times more frequently than it would be if I had complete control over it, shortening its lifespan. I've never had to use one of these "features" before, but what if I want to roll backwards without putting the car in reverse? Can I just go into neutral? Is there a way to defeat it while staying in gear with the clutch disengaged? I hate that I may also be forfeiting a degree of control for a "feature" I don't want.

People actually use the ebrake on a hill? I just move my feet quickly...

:word:

Jeff

Way more than you would think, hills 50-60 feet and then down again 50 feet, crazy sharp turns too.

Um, I've always just taken my foot off the brake clutch gas and go. No need to get fancy if you can operate the 3 pedals fast enough. It's not even hard...

having hill assit on my bmw and living in SF, its freaking awesome. never thought id need it, but parallel parking on a steep ass hill everyday it makes life that much easier. for everyday driving its not that big of a deal, but parking situations it kicks ass and I would welcome it if the frs/brz had it

Wait what? Cuz my Impreza don't think have one

Very nice. That's the only situation I can think it would be remotely helpful, and from what I remember of SF, yes, I can see why you'd love it. Gorgeous city you live in, by the way. One of only a handful of west coast cities that could pull me that direction.

:word:+1000

Yeah what? I had two imprezas and neither had hill assist. I personally think its a nice feature even if I don't really need it.

It would have been really nice when I was first learning to drive. I remember a few tense moments on a steep hill with someone stopped way to close behind me.

I know my old 1987/8 Subaru Omega had a hill holder.
I never could work out how to make it work tho.
I just used the hand brake on hills.

As long as you can disable it like on the newer STIs I dont care, I think its a stupid aid if you learned how to start properly on a hill.

^^^ this.

Never had a problem with this....just be quick with your feet? If you were behind me on an incline and the light turned green, you probably wouldn't be able to tell I was driving a manual...it can be done pretty easily without any creep backwards. Haven't really had this issue after the first few weeks of owning my first manual transmission car.

That said, I don't see why it would be a "bad" feature to have. It's not like it actually introduces anything new to fail. It's just a bit of extra programming that holds brake pressure until the throttle begins to be depressed. You don't really even need a sensor in the vehicle to measure the angle, if it's programmed well. As the previous poster from Duluth said, it can be pretty nice...and in Duluth it's compounded in the winter....even a slight motion backwards can make it difficult to avoid spinning the wheels if you're on ice/snow and an incline. (I spend a lot of time in Duluth when I'm stateside, great place!)

I'd much rather have a version of Nissan's auto-blip manual tranny than this bit of tech though...

Sure, there's a whole bunch of them. An entire region of them, actually.

We're creative down here, we named it 'The Texas Hill Country'.:bonk:

Lotsa good roads.

My Mini has it but my camaro, gli, and pickup do not. I don't have trouble with hills but it's still a welcome feature. You hold the brake, push the clutch in and the car makes the brake stick for a few seconds after releasing the brake pedal, it's not a complicated system. It's not some electromechanical system applying brake force, YOU have to push the brake first then the computer simply manipulates the ABS system to hold the brake force for a few seconds. Don't worry about extra complexity.

Unfortunately Subaru's hill assist does have a big negative.

On newer WRXs the feature cannot be turned off. So when drivers that can actually start quickly/well on an incline attempt to do their thing issues arise. The system lags the process by automatically sustaining brake pressure, thus causing the driver to usually stall.

In my opinion such newer driver aids should have been foregone in this model. Nissan's auto-blip feature is just another system that eliminates the connective benefits of a manual transmission.

wow i didnt even know this feature existed on any car. like most users said before, i just move feet quickly

Take a trip to San Francisco, that'll help you learn how to balance the clutch and gas in no time! :thumbsup:

more like scare tha shiet out of me

hill holder would be nice on a snowy hill