Bullet/Sprintex/Innovate on the bullet website
 

http://www.bulletcars.com/supercharg...er-system.html

some pricing info and other parts available, exhaust is interesting too.

so innovate closed their thread... now where am I suppose to complain?! haha thanks for the info

This anticipation is killing me.

Did Innovate close it? I figured a mod did because of all the complaining/frustration/speculation going on...

The whisperings on their youtube thread is that the numbers are delayed because the are pretty low (someone said 210hp/180 tq). Although I don't know if I believe they are that low.

What kind of HP and TQ are you hoping for?

http://www.bulletcars.com/images/86-...upgrade-hr.jpg

That is... ugly.

well from the napkin dynos I saw it was close to 2 million torque and 2 million HP (rev had to be limited, so the wheels didnt create a vortex of mass and create a black hole.)

I'm guessing it'll be about 230-240 whp at peak, with a torque curve that's nearly flat until about 6000 ish rpm where it'll probably start a slow decline to redline. All in all I'm expecting something close to the vortech kit, just biased to the low end a touch more.

My end goal is a little more power up top, but for the price I think I can find the rest in the exhaust system. I'd be fucking giddy if was 265-275 whp on 91 octane.

BUT, this is all conjecture. Which is why I'm waiting to see the results.

This is pretty much what the wait is leading me to believe. But the concept seems sound. They may have chosen the wrong compressor and are in the process of regrouping. :iono: But the advertisements and claimed 40% increase outside of the torque dip seems very concrete.

I think you are pretty close for stage 2, stage 1 i bet is about 215-220whp. I think it will beat Vortechs torque number handily but vortech will have higher peak hp.

I've said it before I'll say it again...
if you have nothing good to show you don't show it!
I'm glad their thread was closed by mods.

Gotta love the typos on their website!

Innovate
 

:brokenheart:

I check the forum everyday hoping for an update from Innovate.

:sigh:

I like that it utilizes the OEM 86mm tips.

You're definitely not alone in this

Innovate is having issues right now at the shootout it ran a 16sec quarter mile and everytime I walked by someone had their head stuck under the hood. They are still getting the bugs out but it looks really promising!

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saying Something is promising, or has great Potential is another way of saying its failing pretty hard ATM. I know a couple guys from highschool that had great potential... i think their managers at a fast food joint now.

16's... I could get my beater Neon into the 16's. That's deplorable.

I hope it's not the intercooler, because that would be hard to change. Damn, I really want this kit to work.

Innovate has some damage control to do. I really REALLY want this kit, but I'm going to look into centrifugal kits. Their silence is telling. I'm giving them two months for something concrete. Otherwise my money ends up in someone else's pockets.

I'm not going to speak for them but I was hearing it was the tune on the car that caused it to go into something similar to limp mode and actually had nothing to do with the kit at all. Again that was from the shootout in the pits they didn't have it apart enough to know the real problem in my opinion. I really like the kit and I hope they are hard at work figuring out what went wrong. I'm sure they have way to much time and money into the project to scrap it at this point.

Unfortunately, that's not how R&D works. A business has to weigh potential profits against R&D costs. If they think they won't make back what they spend in R&D they'll scrap the whole project rather than risk going in the hole financially.

The longer this takes and the more problems they have, the LESS likely it is to ever make it to market.

The phantom SC...

tuning for 5 psi at redline cant be easy

They announced their kit on Oct 22, 2012 - they couldn't get a workable tune from someone in 5 months? Why not use JV's tune? Or why show up to the Shootout on a brand new untested tune? I thought they had been road testing this for months and were really close to release. It doesn't add up...

I hear they were using a tune from visconti and something went wrong and it just happened to be on that particular day. I'm not defending them or their product and I have no clue if that was the real problem that is just what I heard at the event I know another FR-S that was there was also broke and they offered up their ecu so they could finish the event but I don't know if they used it or not.

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I wonder if they went for broke and tried a smaller pulley, putting the car into overboost mode and cutting power?

I love how this looks. Has anyone contacted Bullet?

Yes, I did a few weeks ago.

I posted the information in the other thread, but it didn't seem to satisfy those demanding a dyno graph :iono:

Here's the info again I received...

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a2...ps678240aa.png

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a2...ps4778bccd.png

I don't have any more details.

This is the email I received after asking for a dyno graph....

Hi Mike
As you can see it takes the flat spot at 3500 right out and has a much more progressive power curve.
I will be away at the salt lakes for 2 Weeks.
Regards

Tom Rabold


I did reply asking for more info (psi, intercooled/non-intercooled) but have not heard anything yet.

I've got to say this - what you're describing sounds like the AVO kit and those numbers are based on a Stage 1 tune with OEM overpipe and front pipe with a HKS exhaust.

Ref : http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=27974

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/attac...1&d=1359871177


How about a "torque shelf" that's flat from 2800RPM all the way to 7000RPM and exceeds the Vortech kit @ 4.7 PSI? And without any torque dips of any sort? With a full exhaust and about 5 PSI, 230WHP (and ~180#s TQ) will be an easy reality, and that's an AT model. MTs would make more given the same conditions. :)

Certainly not impossible I'm sure, but we'll have to play some sort of waiting game... for a bit.

My 2 cents!


Bob @ Drift-Office, LLC

I know, and the AVO is the ONLY turbo kit on my radar. 7 psi, a little exhaust work and I think I would be happy as a clam. I could probably get away with a stock fuel system for what I want. I just have my heart set on a SC. I don't know why and I can't justify it. Sure I could bull shit and say lag, but seriously, I doubt I would be upset with the amount of lag in the AVO kit.

To be completely honest, I wont even be going FI this year. I had the money, then my winter beater decided it wanted to have a fight with some black ice and a guard rail had to step in and break it up. Not even a week later my basement flooded. Then I caught wind that I might be adding an in-law suit this summer. So yeah, the money I had set aside for this is long gone.

BUT it will happen, so I'm still very interested in what's being developed.

So are you suggesting that his numbers were off or accurate? Also what is your opinion of the design itself? I personally think that it's, by far, the most attractive forced Induction option. Also seems like you could use the Perrin CAI with it.

The only thing I suggested was that for what he wanted, his expectations would be surpassed by AVO's basic Stage 1 offering. :)

And going by this dyno plot :

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a2...ps4778bccd.png

It stands to reason that the Sprintex SC kit would alleviate the dreaded torque dip but would fall considerably short of the 230WHP from which was referenced... Just saying, no implications, no judgement. Just commenting based on what's posted here.

Cheers!


Bob @ Drift-Office, LLC

This Dyno show 42.3% power increase from 106,8 Kw to 152 Kw. So about the same as they advertise ( 40% power increase)
So if the baseline of a toybaru on dynojet is 160 bhp then you can expect 160 +42.3% =227.7 Bhp.
That is with everything else stock. So about the same as the vortech kit @ 6psi does in real life.
But you will have more torque in the dip.

The only thing we don't know is if it's the intercooled version or not.

Bhp I mean WHP

Well I can't comment on innovate or bullet but I do know that Sprintex only started with tuning two weeks ago (due to licensing/accessibility issues with ecutek). And unfortunately the shop doing the tune for them is extremely busy and the guy doing very methodical which = not the fastest process. To give you an idea when I went to check out that the header I wanted would fit with it the car was sitting outside the garage looking very rejected while they had another car on the dyno :( Our car should have priority over all others! But seriously it is being worked on and there was a delay for Sprintex at the least with tuning but that's all I know (I've tried to get more out of them but with no luck)

Tuners are like restaurants, if they're busy - its a good thing.

Never go to a quiet one.

Read pages 5 and 6 for Innovate info from the MM shootout. Its not much, but its something.

210 hp...but having tune issues. Hmm...

This dyno was debated and analyzed for some time on another thread.

Keep in mind that Aussie dynos read lower than the US dynojets. So you're talking around 230-240 relative to the US dynos we see on here.
Baseline = 143.2 WHP
Claim = 203.8 WHP

This represents about a 42% increase in power. So you're talking about 284 at the flywheel. I think that's right around where a lot of people want to get. I'm sure you can get a few more ponies through a better tune.

Oh I didn't post that so we could debate the whole numbers thing again, just an overall update - news that they are still alive somewhere type thing.