New F/I option
 

Looks like the turbo game just grew another manufacture.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvU9V...ature=youtu.be

https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphot...11842162_n.jpg

Already posted:
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=31218

Posted already

repost! :search:
i think that the least attractive set up.

Yea I missed the original post. I didn't know we were purchasing turbo setups for show cars though...lol. I enjoy results instead...

I don't want to drag this thread out, but I am waiting to see customer car results. So far almost every turbo kit makes roughly the same power at certain boost levels on the completely stock engine. This kit also has tons of piping, a longer distance from the exhaust ports to the turbo than the front mount setups, and uses a larger turbo than the quicker spooling turbos in most stage one kits. The math doesn't add up when you look at it like that, but stranger things have happened.

I will patiently wait for them to actually sell these to the public and then see what the average Joe gets from this kit before I make any real judgement about this kit.

Yeah, nothing better than 3rd party dynos to see if a turbo kit is truly proven. I personally DO NOT like this design.. But that's just my opinion.

I actually think it's neat, not my cup of tea, but it's different enough that it warrants a look at what they might be doing to make the gains they claim. I'm not the true target audience as I have made my choice of turbo kit, and love it, but I am genuinely interested in all the F/I kits.

Their kit allows those in CA to sneak through visual. You would remove all the red charge piping and attach the stock airbox to the throttlebody and connect all the emissions stuff back to it. Turbo can stay where it is since the main cat and O2 sensor have not been touched and turbo/wastegate is hidden underneath. BAM! pass smog

^lol

There sure is a lot of sarcasm and hate coming from you buddy. If it makes you feel any better, I personally DO NOT like what you've done with your car. Just MY opinion. ;)

There's nothing wrong with being proud of your own setup, but you may want to take a step back there and think before you post about other people's projects.

I too agree with third party dynos. You should bring your car to our shop for a free dyno pull. Heck, you can even stop by this weekend. We'll start your dyno pull at 2K rpms. Let's see what you end up with. Let us know by tomorrow and we'll get you in on Saturday. Cheers! :happy0180:

Thank you for your re-statement. Yeah, it's going to be hard to be a truly open-minded judge of a new setup when you already have one. Give us some time though and we'll eventually get our turbo system in the hands of the end users to review.

Nothing we're doing involves snake oil. You can either have a turbo system that has a manifold priority design or a downpipe priority design, We opted for the latter. Once we finish our prototype manifold, we'll be dyno testing them together.

Ooooooooooo I hear a... Dyno Challenge!

Will he accept???




That was me poking around...

...unless you two make this happen then :happy0180:

People get touchy when their expensive toys get threatened. People with turbo kits are going to be partial to the kit they bought. It is a (often subconscious) way to justify what they bought and assert that they are happy with their choice. Just human nature. It is hard to be truly impartial.

They often over look the positive aspects of new kits or dismiss them all together. For example:
-this kit mounts the heavy parts low to the ground and further back towards the center of the car.
-because of positioning there is no bleed off of heat in the engine bay and the turbo gets plenty of under-car airflow. Belts and accessories mounted at the front of the engine don't suffer.
-no added cost of a turbo manifold
-retains stock cat and O2 location (for some this is important enough to consider it :thumbsup:)

For those still looking at FI... there is one more kit in the bull pen. Can't wait to see 3rd party dynos of this kit. Preferably on a dyno jet.

Fixed, I know I'm guilty of favoring P&L at times, but I know the guys, and like the parts. I also do my best to stay out of other vendor threads, and never bash them.

I guess my big concern is that when I see all these kits running 7psi and netting between 250-270WHP on 91 octane that I am immediately suspicious when one kit comes out of left field with 30 more WHP than everyone else. I was the same way with Full Blown's claims because they were making about 20HP more than everyone else at 10PSI. Then someone did a 3rd party dyno and I was content. I don't trust the numbers from the people making a part or kit because I feel like a shop trying to promote their product will do their damnedest to make sure they have the highest possible results to promote sales. I'm not saying that they lie...it's just that in a competition with all the other kits available the only way to stick out enough to be noticed is to put down higher numbers than everyone else.

I am partial to my set up, but I am still willing to accept that someone may find a more efficient setup that produces more power with time. Hell I ordered the P&L kit before they had even finished the prototyping. There's bound to be better solutions than what's already available so I may be skeptical of the numbers but I'm not gonna just badmouth a kit on hearsay. The Ptuning kit looks like it uses quality parts, and the piping although odd looks well made.

Unique and I quite like it - very well done

With a cold air pick up for the filter it would be right there as totally awesome

So.... which is it? You seemed to have flip-flopped.:iono:

Google search "sarcasm"

I owned the PTUNING Stage 1 kit for my tC. With the exact same parts, the vehicle made 40 less whp on the PTUNING dyno dynamics than on a mustang dyno in my hometown. I can guarantee that the PTUNING dyno will give you less hp because it's uncorrected and has no 'x' factor. It has been known to humble lesser men...quickly. If it makes xxx whp on their dyno, you can take that to the bank.

I'll stay out of the pissing match though...carry on. :popcorn:

Ptuning is a very legit company who does a lot of homework and puts a lot of time an effort into things they build. They are not just another manufacturer hoping into the game. I got to see some of the development of this kit. It's pretty awesome to see the step they take in making their turbo kits. They did a pretty awesome kit for the first gen tc also

Sarcasm meter not that great. Seemed like he was asking a legit question. :confused0068:

I went back to look at the different kit setups and it seems the PTuning kit takes the flip side of the approach compared to the other systems so far.

Every other system is like "Lot of exhaust - short Intercooler pipes".

PTuning's setup is "Short exhaust - longer Intercooler pipes".

Different twist on it, expelling the exhaust gases faster it seems.

AVO is pretty minimal on exhaust too.

Yea I knew there was one other, but I couldn't remember which one.

I love the idea of being able to test different header setups while keeping your turbo! The one thing I covet more than anything else is the ability to use unequal length headers.

Anyone else using a GT3076R in their setups? I'm sure there is someone using one in their Stg. 2 setups and what not with more boost and e85, but this is pump and I don't recall anyone using this turbine on pump at low boost.



Don't you already have your own setup? So, what difference does it make if you like it or not, you don't plan on buying anyway.

It's bad form. No need to bad mouth other kits that appear better than yours.

Yea, I mean when you have stated that you don't like something, it only needs to be said one time. When you go about it multiple times and posting sarcastic remarks, then really all you are doing is trolling on the thread at that point. State your peace and then get back to worrying about your own setup is the way of a respectable person.

I find it funny how people say they don't like the design. If its reliable, produces good power with a good powerband and provides good drivability at a fair price then what's not to like? Is a pretty engine bay that important to you? IMO, the red piping looks awesome.

I THINK this is one of the most attractive turbo setups I have seen and I for one have moved the ptuning kit to the top of my list for potential purchase.

+1, I'm not one that likes an OEM look. If I spend $5k+ bucks on something, I don't want it to look like it came from the factory, that's just me.

yeah im loving the red piping too

Alright guys, I feel like my 3 sentence comment has been blown completely out of proportion. This comment is hopefully going to straighten out everybody's perception of my opinion about this kit. I didn't mean to offend anyone, especially @ptuning with the comment below.

To clarify on this, me and @Supermassive were both early adopters of two very different turbo kits back in January, Full Blown and P&L respectively. Both of us knew of all the skepticism on the boards about manufacturer posted dynos. This can be sourced from July/August when Agency Power released suspicious dynos of their exhaust system. Now, this initiated a wave of skepticism when any product came out for our beloved FT86- from airfilters to rear muffler deletes. In summary, 3rd party dynos actually have more "weight" or "value" than the manufacturers released dyno as per the members of this forum. Both me and Supermassive put out our numbers, and we are looking forward to seeing the Ptuning setup in a customer's hands (preferably with a customer who's going to run a Dynojet w/ SAE correction and smoothing of 5).

The reason why I "like" and "don't like" the design and have been perceived to have "flip-flopped" is because I saw Kanundrum's thread the first night it was posted- the thread initially only had the engine bay pics, then it seemed to have updated with undercarriage pics revealing the turbo placement and dump setup. I appreciate how original the design is and how flashy and honestly sexy the intake and intercooler piping is. It's definitely something to show off at a car meet/show. I'm actually jealous of the red and the sizing of the piping. What I don't like is the turbo placement, it's one of the reasons why I didn't go with the Accelerated Performance kit- I feel this weird aura of risk when mounting a turbo there with such a low car. I've personally scraped my frontpipe on a normal speed bump and I got a little pissed about it- I'd be genuinely worried if my turbo kept receiving that kind of force on it. I know this turbo won't get scratched, but it'll receive stress when the frontpipe hits something. THAT'S IT, that's my only "dislike" of this kit. I'm truly appreciative of the originality of its design and can't wait to see it in person!

I appreciate your opinion as long as you understand mine with the above text.

Dude! Kanundrum actually texted me to come to Ptuning for a free dyno and I would go if I weren't scheduled to work nightshift tomorrow at Hopkins. I can't say no to something free, but the true expense is the amount of e85 and time I'm going to use getting down there. I think it's like 2-2.5hours away from me. And I feel like I'm driving my old 1996 Explorer when I drive my FRS now.. it SWALLOWS gas. For reference, it used 5 GALLONS when it ran 11 passes and the drag strip... FML

I "thanked" this comment because it had a decent amount of value. To reiterate, it's human nature to support your brand or your team. I've been an Oriole's fan since I was 4, and I've seen them lose for 17 seasons straight until last year. I'm going to support Full Blown because they're my team. Those details you pointed out are highly valid- you've provided a good read for this thread. And yes, please Dynojet SAE, Smoothing-5 to whoever does it.

Refer to top text. And thanks for pointing that out. I work nightshift and I sometimes get a little disoriented/forgetful when I talk or write something. It made me aware that I needed to clarify something.

I do have my own setup already, but can't I also have an opinion? So once I buy a turbo kit, I now am unable to construct an opinion on one anymore? The difference is that, I'm actually going to be on the market (again) next year. When my girlfriend graduates, we're trading in her boring ass corolla for either a BRZ limited or FRS convertible (please baby Jesus!).

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I apologize for the misunderstanding everybody. I also want to apologize greatly to @ptuning, because I have unintentionally offended a company that I know has put a great amount of time/effort/sweat into producing this kit. I hope this post is worth people's time.

Sincerely,
Russell

Thanks TyperRspec for clearing up your position. It's respectable.

PTuning does a lot of their setups in the low mount position because they take a lot of account into center-of-gravity. So, this setup as mentioned places the heavy stuff low and back towards the center of the car. I think it's thought out with the idea of the Race track in mind, given their history of Time Attack success (pretty track focused company). There was a shot of the side of the car from below, and all you saw was the undercarriage of the car and not any turbo components. They looked to be tucked up inside the shroud if you analyze it further. So, I think bottoming out on anything is going to be on the chassis only.

Side benefit of the placement of the turbo is that should you need to service the engine, a few screws from the intercooler couplers would give full access to the topside of the engine (where we spend most of our time). Compared to some of the setups thus far with placing the turbine in front of the belt system/oil filter, I can only speculate how much stuff you are going to have to remove from the turbo setup just to get so little stuff you need to do (Litchfield's setup comes to mind, looks really tight in there). All the bends on the PTuning setup look very minimalisitc.


I was only responding to a sorta repeat statement of disapproval. Was just saying once was enough.

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Thanks again Russell, much respect.

I am pleased with the gentleman-esque nature of this thread.

E-debating, like a Sir!

No worries Russell. Thanks for clarifying things. We're all just here trying do things to improve upon this already excellent platform. :thumbsup:

I tend to favor the designs with short and straight exhaust work, or minimal exhaust where possible. I have found that the design of the exhaust AFTER the turbo has as much or more impact on response than the manifold design or intake piping length. Either design you choose is going to take careful planning to maintain the desired response. I think the AP, D3PE, PT, and FB designs all have their merits. Each one makes good compromise between power output and civility. I really don't think you can go wrong with any design.

I have to give credit where it is due, however. The PT design looks top notch. I love the pipework, and the recirc'd wastegate will keep things pleasant. Oil scavenge pumps and heat issues are the only things that will worry me with the low mount setups. But at least the heat is placed away from the front of the bay where the radiator is. So, like I said, they all have their merits.

But I wouldn't say the setup will be unresponsive simply because the intake tract is lengthy. The effect of a few feet of piping is extremely minimal on the intake side, especially with the size of these turbos! The exhaust is going to have a much larger impact.

Got a ride in it. Pretty street friendly for 300hp. Transient response is NOT worrisome at all; quick boost.

Another good point of being able to make good power on low boost... shaft speed stays low, which reduces lag.