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Jeff@Racer X Fab 03-12-2013 08:56 PM

Racer X Fabrication suspension parts, and development
 
Well for a little back ground check out our intro thread here:
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=30916

We picked up our BRZ last September and have been busy developing parts and now we are finally releasing them. The rear lower control arms are full 4130 chromoly steel, along with the trailing arms. We make all of our own parts including the threaded rod ends. This allows us to be quite creative at times, and in some cases build several prototypes until we are happy with the result.

Here are the rear control arms, trailing arms and adjustable rear end links. We are currently finishing the front control arms and will release two version one with the OEM ball joint and the other with a fully adjustable spherical bearing at the ball joint location to optimize handling for racing.

Front lower adjustable control arms added: 3/20/13 (pics below)

Rear upper adjustable control arms added: 3/26/13 (pics below)

Final pics added: 6/2/13, starting at post 95

If you have any questions about parts we are working on, our would like us to develop some parts you might be interested in feel free to shoot me an email : info@racerxfabrication.com

Rear lower control arms:
http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/c...psf7dba6b7.jpg

http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/c...ps87206e51.jpg
Adjustable rear end links:
http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/c...ps71c306b1.jpg

http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/c...ps71c306b1.jpg

Jeff@Racer X Fab 03-12-2013 08:58 PM

Trailing arms
 
4130 Chromoly trailing arms:

http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/c...ps9740d2ea.jpg

http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/c...psd6137969.jpg

http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/c...ps14322673.jpg

Jeff@Racer X Fab 03-12-2013 09:03 PM

Front control arms development, and OEM front adjustable end links
 
Here are a few pics of the development we are working on for the front control arms. We have 2 prototypes, and currently working on a 3rd. We should be releasing these soon.

(Update): Front control arm design is finalized, and we will be running a pre-order for them soon. Pics added below.

We also have OEM front adjustable end links for the sway bar.

http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/c...psab2e4c90.jpg

http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/c...ps34593fc6.jpg

http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/c...psf7674da5.jpg

http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/c...ps203cfa0e.jpg

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Dave-ROR 03-12-2013 09:30 PM

Whose bearings and which specific models are you guys using? Everything made in the US?

Ruckus 03-12-2013 10:06 PM

^^I second this^^

Looks good though!


nevermind i found it -Built in the USA, at Racer X Fabrication for complete quality control

eckoflyte 03-13-2013 02:01 AM

What are people's opinions about running rose joints on the street? I'm worried about dirt and grime screwing the ball joints but don't know if its validated or not.

uspspro 03-13-2013 04:16 AM

RacerX. Nice to see you here. Another MR2 guy.

Jeff@Racer X Fab 03-13-2013 06:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave-ROR (Post 789624)
Whose bearings and which specific models are you guys using? Everything made in the US?

We use FK rod ends, PTFE lined 3/4-16" thread diameter. We can use any bearing you would like if we make a set to order, we are pretty flexible about these things.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ruckus (Post 789689)
^^I second this^^

Looks good though!


nevermind i found it -Built in the USA, at Racer X Fabrication for complete quality control

Yes, we build just about everything in house. The only exception on these parts are the rod ends, and ball joints.


Quote:

Originally Posted by eckoflyte (Post 790106)
What are people's opinions about running rose joints on the street? I'm worried about dirt and grime screwing the ball joints but don't know if its validated or not.

We can provide the rod ends with dust boots. We have been using the rod ends on the street for sometime in the MR2 application with no ill effects. They are great in racing applications. We have been considering offer the arms with a urethane bushing.


Quote:

Originally Posted by uspspro (Post 790222)
RacerX. Nice to see you here. Another MR2 guy.

Glad to be here!! Nice to know there are a few other MR2 guys on this board as well.

solidONE 03-13-2013 07:02 AM

Looks good! How will you be pricing these control arms?

AZP Installs 03-13-2013 07:35 AM

Whew. Thought you were that racer x guy from LGT. His stuff is Chinese knockoff stuff.

Looking good!

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Huehuecoyotl 03-13-2013 08:19 AM

in.

Argento_FR-S 03-13-2013 08:29 AM

I hope the pricing on these front LCA's is decent because I really want to get rid of the squishy front suspension components, but I'm too lazy to replace all the individual bushings with poly... These with some good top hats, and I'm good to go out front. :thumbup:

Dave-ROR 03-13-2013 08:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by racerx1715 (Post 790271)
We use FK rod ends, PTFE lined 3/4-16" thread diameter. We can use any bearing you would like if we make a set to order, we are pretty flexible about these things.

Which series FK? Did you use those because most don't want to pay or NHBB or even Aurora bits or just prefer the FK ones? No I'm not saying FK is bad :)

Jeff@Racer X Fab 03-13-2013 10:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by solidONE (Post 790306)
Looks good! How will you be pricing these control arms?

We will be running a group buy/sale thread in the vendor section soon. Right now pricing is available on the website, you can click the logo in my signature if you would like to check prices.

Quote:

Originally Posted by AZP Installs (Post 790327)
Whew. Thought you were that racer x guy from LGT. His stuff is Chinese knockoff stuff.

Looking good!

Yes, we are proudly made in the USA and the majority if not all of the product is made by us. !! We have received emails before about Racer X Engineering products.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Argento_FR-S (Post 790369)
I hope the pricing on these front LCA's is decent because I really want to get rid of the squishy front suspension components, but I'm too lazy to replace all the individual bushings with poly... These with some good top hats, and I'm good to go out front. :thumbup:

We will do our best to keep price reasonable, that is one of the benefits of making the parts it gives us much more control over price.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave-ROR (Post 790388)
Which series FK? Did you use those because most don't want to pay or NHBB or even Aurora bits or just prefer the FK ones? No I'm not saying FK is bad :)

We will use the FK-JMX12T. You have actually brought up a good point, we should offer the other rod ends as a choice. I will have that added as an option drop down on the site. You are correct, most do not want the added cost of a very high quality rod ends or bearings. From our experience the FK rod ends/bearings are quite stout and a good price for the quality.

Dave-ROR 03-13-2013 11:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by racerx1715 (Post 790552)
We will use the FK-JMX12T. You have actually brought up a good point, we should offer the other rod ends as a choice. I will have that added as an option drop down on the site. You are correct, most do not want the added cost of a very high quality rod ends or bearings. From our experience the FK rod ends/bearings are quite stout and a good price for the quality.

FK JM is good stuff. :thumbup:

If I need some camber adjustment after my coilovers finally arrive (they need to be built still first...) I'll definity take a look at those LCAs although I still like adjustable UCA instead :)

Jeff@Racer X Fab 03-13-2013 11:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave-ROR (Post 790637)
FK JM is good stuff. :thumbup:

If I need some camber adjustment after my coilovers finally arrive (they need to be built still first...) I'll definity take a look at those LCAs although I still like adjustable UCA instead :)


We are building the jig for the upper control arms now, we should have something soon.

Any features you would like to see?

robispec 03-13-2013 12:16 PM

in for upper rears!

Calum 03-13-2013 03:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by racerx1715 (Post 790711)
We are building the jig for the upper control arms now, we should have something soon.

Any features you would like to see?

A bushing option for those that want camber adjustment that doesn't mess with the track width too much and don't want bearings on their DD. :thumbup:

OrbitalEllipses 03-13-2013 04:00 PM

This thread, I like it! Personally, I DD my car and would prefer corrected geometry without the use of bearings.

Dave-ROR 03-13-2013 04:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by racerx1715 (Post 790711)
We are building the jig for the upper control arms now, we should have something soon.

Any features you would like to see?

Just camber adjustment through the UCAs really is all I'd care about.. with bearings.. and bushings for the people who care above I guess :)

celica73 03-13-2013 05:49 PM

Hmm, my first post went missing. Maybe I never hit submit.

Any chance of making the arms adjustable on the car? Your end links can be adjusted without removing one end, yet, that is the one piece that doesn't really need that.

If I am doing some tuning at the track/autocross it isn't very easy to undo one bolt of a control arm or toe link and adjust it then put it back together. It really needs a RH and LH thread so it can be done on the car.

Scott

No Limit Motorsport 03-13-2013 05:58 PM

Looks like quality stuff. A privately owned business, manufacturing in America? You get my vote any day.

robispec 03-13-2013 06:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave-ROR (Post 791292)
Just camber adjustment through the UCAs really is all I'd care about.. with bearings.. and bushings for the people who care above I guess :)

BEARINGS, low unsprung weight and adjustability!

robispec 03-13-2013 06:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eckoflyte (Post 790106)
What are people's opinions about running rose joints on the street? I'm worried about dirt and grime screwing the ball joints but don't know if its validated or not.

increases NVH but well worth it! (and anyone with an exhaust wont notice a differance in sound level.).

Jeff@Racer X Fab 03-14-2013 06:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Calum (Post 791221)
A bushing option for those that want camber adjustment that doesn't mess with the track width too much and don't want bearings on their DD. :thumbup:

Quote:

Originally Posted by OrbitalEllipses (Post 791286)
This thread, I like it! Personally, I DD my car and would prefer corrected geometry without the use of bearings.

I will take a look into the bushing design, it should not be hard to offer this for the guys that do want to DD their car and hit the track.

Quote:

Originally Posted by celica73 (Post 791500)
Hmm, my first post went missing. Maybe I never hit submit.

Any chance of making the arms adjustable on the car? Your end links can be adjusted without removing one end, yet, that is the one piece that doesn't really need that.

If I am doing some tuning at the track/autocross it isn't very easy to undo one bolt of a control arm or toe link and adjust it then put it back together. It really needs a RH and LH thread so it can be done on the car.

Scott

We have considered this, and will be offering it for the lower control arms and possibly the fronts depending on final design. I will update with the new option when we have the components ready.

Quote:

Originally Posted by No Limit Motorsport (Post 791517)
Looks like quality stuff. A privately owned business, manufacturing in America? You get my vote any day.

Thanks!!

Quote:

Originally Posted by robispec (Post 791617)
BEARINGS, low unsprung weight and adjustability!

There is a weight savings to be had with the upper control arms. The rest of the components we have made we saw the weight equal to the OEM or slightly less (a few ounces)

Jeff@Racer X Fab 03-14-2013 06:25 AM

Here are the front suspension studs we make for the lower control arm spherical bearing. A few in process at the moment.

http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/c...ps92945b73.jpg

The rear jig is tacked and once we check the prototype it will be finished.

http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/c...psa6c76fc5.jpg

http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/c...ps18ce5dd9.jpg

Huehuecoyotl 03-14-2013 07:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave-ROR (Post 791292)
Just camber adjustment through the UCAs really is all I'd care about.. with bearings..

x2

kanundrum 03-14-2013 11:40 PM

Email Sent

eckoflyte 03-15-2013 04:26 AM

Pm'd

Jeff@Racer X Fab 03-15-2013 06:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eckoflyte (Post 794971)
Pm'd

Quote:

Originally Posted by kanundrum (Post 794661)
Email Sent

Email, PM replied.

We should have some updates for the front control arms, and upper rears this weekend.

OrbitalEllipses 03-15-2013 10:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kanundrum (Post 794661)
Email Sent

I would have suggested these, but I wasn't sure on the availability.

Jeff@Racer X Fab 03-17-2013 11:53 AM

Front control arms
 
Well we finished the front adjustable control arms this weekend. We made a few finally changes for the front arms which are:

-offset bushings for the primary arm
-bend to provide more steering angle clearance
-spacer set for up to 2" of RCA movement

We are sending the arms out for powder coating now, they are full 4130 chromoly, and the tapered rods are getting zinc plated. The full arm with hardware weighs about 5 ounces more than the OEM arm.

We are currently working on the rear upper arms and I am pretty excited about them.

http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/c...ps0691464e.jpg

http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/c...psf7674da5.jpg

http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/c...ps203cfa0e.jpg

http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/c...ps6020788f.jpg

http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/c...ps43a961be.jpg

http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/c...psf82c018e.jpg

kask2_6.0 03-17-2013 01:04 PM

Those look really nice. Good work guys.

Interested in adjustable rear UCA's as well.

Touge Monster 03-17-2013 06:43 PM

Awesome work!!! I've seen your handy work on the mr2 forums can't wait to see what else you have on the way:bow:

Dave-ROR 03-17-2013 09:32 PM

Control arms look great! Can't wait to see the UCAs! Pre-order special or group buy? :)

Jeff@Racer X Fab 03-17-2013 10:06 PM

Thanks guys!!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave-ROR (Post 799663)
Control arms look great! Can't wait to see the UCAs! Pre-order special or group buy? :)

We will be running a group buy for all of the suspension components in the next week or two.

eckoflyte 03-18-2013 03:43 AM

An important question to ask is, the way you've designed the offset bushing on the front arm to line it up with the outer ball joint, will this increase or decrease caster? Just looking at the pics alone, it looks like it decreases caster because the ball joint will move the knuckle further toward the rear of the car. Of course I could just be dyslexic.

Jeff@Racer X Fab 03-18-2013 06:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eckoflyte (Post 800145)
An important question to ask is, the way you've designed the offset bushing on the front arm to line it up with the outer ball joint, will this increase or decrease caster? Just looking at the pics alone, it looks like it decreases caster because the ball joint will move the knuckle further toward the rear of the car. Of course I could just be dyslexic.

The offset bushing is used to reduce the rod end misalignment. The arms hold OEM position until the rod ends are adjusted.

Jeff@Racer X Fab 03-21-2013 11:57 AM

Adjustable toe links, part installation and weights
 
We finished the toe links a couple weeks ago with the adjustable rear control arms, adjustable trailing arms, and rear end links. We made a small change to the tapered rod, and did not want to post them up till we had the updated design completed.

12L14 cold rolled steel hex stock with 5/8 LH/RH rod ends, tapered studs provide a perfect fit to the hub and we use hex stock again to eliminate extra fastners. We will ship out the tapered studs to be zinc plated. These Will provide strength and durability for all customers looking to have great handling from racing to street. We will provide custom tapered rods for those guys that want the capability of bump steer adjustment. Be aware that it will impinge on the e-brake cable. Currently there is roughly a 1/2" of height adjustment this would not be enough to properly provide the range required.

We should have the rear upper arms completed this weekend and will update again then.

If you have any questions feel free to PM or email: info@racerxfabrication.com

http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/c...psfbca3939.jpg

http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/c...ps11ff0a6a.jpg

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Jeff@Racer X Fab 03-21-2013 11:59 AM

Pics with trailing arm installed, weight of trailing arm.

http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/c...psfb7f3437.jpg

http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/c...ps61a89738.jpg

http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/c...ps0f86fd2f.jpg

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