Brz turbo?
 

If the new forester xt comes with our engine with turbo, does this mean we will get this turbo in a upcoming model? It makes 250hp and 258tq at 2000rpm which is great. If i already have a brz,can i just slap this turbo on to my car with the same tune as the xt, and if i can what happens with warranty?
Heres a small review I found on the. Internet.
"In general, we liked everything about the turbo/CVT setup except the way it launched from a standing start. Surprisingly sluggish is how we'd describe its launch—and seriously not any faster by the seat of the pants than the 2.5i model—yet by 10 mph the turbo boost builds and it feels legitimately quick, and you get all 258 pound-feet of torque at 2,000 rpm. We think the rather tall starting ratio of the CVT has something to do with it—although this crossover does still weigh 3,600 pounds."

That motor will have differnet internals and i dont think it has direct injection (off the top of my head ). While it may be possible that a Brz will one day come with a turbo, I dont think you will see one in the next MY.With an educated guess it will not be as simple as getting XT turbo parts and slapping it on to the FA20. Might be as simple as getting some sort of conversion kit though. But one thing I do know is the stock XT tune will not work and adding a turbo will void your warranty (unless it is some sort of Delar installed option). If you want to turbocharge your car, get a turbo kit.

Pretty sure I've read a bunch of times there an agreement for no FI until 2015 or something.

same internals, no port injection :D

How can it be same internals if the compression ratio is 10.x:1? Magic!

Really thick head gaskets? :lol: I seriously doubt the internals are similar in anyway.

The FXT will be running a full Subaru direct injection unlike our Toyota D4-S. Also, the motor in the FXT will sit in a much different location (and a much different engine compartment) than the motor in your FR-S and the turbo/exhaust manifold won't fit.

As you seem to be 'in the know', could you please clarify for us what parts of the turbo/manifold will foul the BRZ?

The engine in the FXT will be mounted much higher in the chassis than the engine in the BRZ/FR-S and the FXT will be running a turbo mounted below and in front of the engine like the newer Legacy GT. The BRZ/FR-S has the engine mounted as low as possible in it's chassis to keep the center of gravity as low as possible and doesn't have the space for the OEM turbo manifold. If you look at the stock FA20 exhaust manifold it was designed to be as low profile as possible.

For the money, I'd just go with the AVO turbo kit because even if the OEM stuff fit it would still cost almost as much (or more) as the aftermarket kit.

You just contradicted yourself. You said it won't fit, then you said if it fits. If you don't know don't make statements, instead offer an opinion that it may not fit.

Unless you've tried bolting the turbo FA20 into a BRZ you won't actually know. :thanks:

I really don't think that it's going to be as hard as everyone says.

Here is the '12 Legacy GT turbo set-up:
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y16...psd6f446bd.jpg

It doesn't look that much different from our exhaust mani.
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y16...ps06d1116b.jpg

Here is the '14 Foz engine and turbo set-up:
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y16...psc0ad2dde.jpg

If they are to turbo the BRZ, seems like an easy enough install to me. The only "real" hard part I see is the piping to the rear of the car.

Where do I say that it fits? I said "even if (key words have been bolded) the OEM stuff fit it would still cost almost as much (or more) as the aftermarket kit". The aftermarket makes turbo kits for the BRZ/FR-S fitment but that is different than the stock FXT parts the OP was talking about using, OEM and aftermarket options are not the same. I've seen a new 2014 FXT and the turbo hangs too low in the chassis to fit the brz.

So for the same money you could have an aftermarket conversion bolted to a n/a engine or a proper OEM-designed solution, with the right compression ratio and amazing torque response which will do 100k miles without issue.

Not a hard decision for me. Thanks for your input :thanks:

Not sure if troll or just doesn't pay attention?
http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w...ps3dcefce2.jpg

I paid perfect attention to you stating an opinion, however the fact you've not tried it (and I assume you are not a design engineer at Subaru), makes me shelve your opinion in the opinions box. But like I said, thanks for your input!

We are considering the 2014 Forester for my wife.

Yes, it has the FA20 open deck block. It does not have Toyota's D4S system, but rather a Subaru direct injection system.

The internals will most certainly be different in some ways. The tune is for an AWD CUV so probably not ideal behaviour for a RWD light sports car.

The piping will definitely be different since the intercooler sits on top of the engine still but without the hood scoop.

Even if it did work, the OEM parts would probably cost 3X the cost of a good aftermarket unit, with both voiding the powertrain warranty.

Almost exactly what I was trying to say.

Another turbo thread?

unless we're talking an actual turbo kit, turbo build or Subaru themselves actually say they're adding a turbo (Which I highly doubt) can we please stop with these random turbo threads?

Why, what harm is it you?

If nothing else it shows that Subaru is confident in the FA20 with FI, changed internals or otherwise.

i think you're missing my point here.

There's a new turbo thread almost on a weekly basis. It's always the same thing.

"Subaru has developed a new turbo engine. Could it be for a turbo BRZ?"

"Subaru has a turbo FA engine. BRZ getting a turbo confirmed"

et cetera et cetera.

If people could just use the search function and find the turbo rumor threads then we'd have a lot less clutter.

my only issue with them is that it's getting annoying when you're trying find a particular discussion and you find 20 identical threads and have to sort through each one to find where you last posted, which one had a particular article, or which one had an interesting tidbit.

at this point it all just clutter.

Unfortunately, we all have to get used to it because fighting the crusade it futile. Who wants to singled out as the forum cop, anyways? We have mods for that.

We do?

Lats I looked Ichitaka, Dave-ROR, etc...

Someone called?

All I meant was that moderators usually try to curtail threads that add clutter or leave members feeling unwelcome, an updated faq with common thread topics such as "will it tarbo" and "my gears make noises" is linked and the thread promptly locked.

Every community is different (and I've never been on a car forum, much less a tuner crowd, more used to the video game populace) and there's nothing poisonous going on so cheers!
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