Its a scion?
 

Do any of you FRS owners forget you own a scion and not a toyota? I know i frequently do.

nope... says so on the steering wheel :D

Yeah, the 2 Scion badges and Scion logo on the Stereo kinda sticks out...

I never even seem to notice it.

Every part of my car says Subaru on the back, including the airbag cover on the steering wheel if I'm not mistaken.

What are you getting at?

The car is confused. :(

Hahaha, that it is.

When people ask i always call it a gt86.


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Not since i rebadged it :D

I just think of it as being my car.

I don't mind the badge. People ask me, I tell them it's a Scion. Still mechanically the same badass car. Badge doesn't bug me.

So you have UK ver :bellyroll: :bellyroll: :bellyroll:

Since my FRS says Toyota, Scion and Subaru all over it I just call it an 86!

"Badges??? We don't need to stinking BADGES!!!"

Scott

BRZ/FRS/86...Same thing, different badge, different "options"...

No, it's a Subaru regardless of what it says on the back.

Whys that?

Because Subaru engineered and built it? The only Toyota in this car is the key fob, the HPFP, the direct injection system, and the design of the body panels. I believe other every last nut and bolt is Subaru.

It's a Subaru from start to finish.

Word to the wise... you better go back and read Tetsuya Tada's own words concerning the development and building of the GT86 before you start spouting off such drivel.

Scott

When I'm asked: "What is it?"

I just say: "I don't really know, nobody does."

I tell people it's a Toyobaru 86 and leave it at that :)

Mine doesn't :happyanim:

http://i1177.photobucket.com/albums/...4/32407350.jpg

I just say I imported it and they look at me like :eyebulge: lol

Link? I would like to refresh and read more on that.

However, I was talking about construction. Just because a Toyota person said "do exactly this", doesn't change the fact that the part in question was still built/manufactured by a company other than the one that would normally be responding to the order. Toyota has their own engineers, Subaru has theirs. If Toyota requested a cake by Gordon Ramsey and Martha Stewart respectively, the cakes would be made to order but still unique.

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showt...830#post732830

Read this and you tell me if your "cake analogy" still fits.

Scott

Seems like that is just getting into semantics. Ultimately this car represents both companies because if either one was not involved, the frs brz 86 would not exist.

:thanks:

Scott

I have no difficulty saying my car is a Scion. I became calloused to the name on my car when I owned two Miata's.
:burnrubber:

Good article, pretty much what we already knew long ago though. It confirms everything I said which is why I said it.

The heart of the car is a Subaru engine, Toyota provided the D4S(direct injection system), just like I said. I actually mentioned more Toyota involvement than the article did by including the HPFP.

Toyota told Subaru what they wanted. Subaru engineers, not Toyota engineers, were the ones doing the engineering. The articles mentioning of Toyota engineers was in regards to convincing Toyota board of directors to let them use specific parts(again, the D4S).

In the previous article I read that told us most of this info it mentioned Toyota engineers working WITH the Subaru guys...but it was still Subaru doing the actual engineering and construction using their methods and factories. I'm not trying to diminish Toyotas involvement, but I'm not going to give them more credit than is due either. It was thought up by Toyota, it was built by Subaru.

The cake is not a lie.

I owned a tC for 8 years and was extremely happy with it and the Scion brand as a whole. I am glad to own another.

Scion has done for Toyota what it desperately needed: fun, interesting, exiting cars for people who associate "Toyota" with boring, gas-efficient, compacts and mid-size sedans. The FR-S fits in perfectly with that.

I debaged my car so I tell people its a Toyota Scion Frs plus that what it says on my paper work lol

Thought it was a Hynudai

I embrace the Scion no need to argue over who built it. If it came with a Chevy emblem I would have still bought it. I noticed the Geo Metro globe badges would fit almost perfect for those that really want to mess with people asking what it is.

someone asked if my car was a scion yeah

but to his credit it was far away

Well if we factor in Toyota's controlling stake in FHI Then really...it doesn't change a damn thing. Scion only exists in the US just because we are obsessed with labels and brands. Toyota is too econobox stigma'd to reach out to youth for marketing purposes. Lexus, Infinity, Acura? What's the point. The car is the same and who cares what it says; n the damn badge or logo.

id like to see the article that says that toyota engineers did not engineer this car.

cars are more like buildings than cake. do you credit construction workers or the architect responsible for buildings such as the sydney opera house? hell its usually a machine that builds the parts. lets give the company who built those machines the credit.

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If this become Subaru vs Toyota AGAIN, I'll lock ASAP

They BOTH engineered it, let's end this Subaru vs Toyota pointless argument.

... not going to say anything since its been disputed.

I would have bought this car if it said LADA, or even YUGO on the back. It is a light weight affordable Rear Wheel Drive coupe that's a blast to drive, and I've been waiting a long time for someone -ANYONE- to build a car like this. Personally, I couldn't give a rat's backside who fronted the cash, or who told whom to do what...we're all lucky that someone finally nutted up and built it.

Sorry to the OP, that wasn't directed at you.