AS1 Definition?
 

so i'm trying to get to the bottom of the name "AS1" and define it.

as far as i can find, it is the name of the test mules that are now the cars we all see as the gt86/frs/brz. it's odd to me to have a hard time finding this info because it is at the top and bottom of every page, as in forum name.

a car code-named “AS1,” which will be sold in the U.S. as both the Subaru BRZ and the Scion FR-S
source
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...rototype-drive

so on this forum people refer to all the cars by the prototype name AS1 as to refer to all of them at the same time

i'm posting this because it is not information that is easy to find with a search, and the veterans of this site use it often

it is important to have a code name or frame code for all 3 cars as one.. i'm good with as1, but i all ways thought it was the prototypes and not a frame code like ae86, e3, ect.. like some suggest. and thus it is a temporary name to refer to all car until we get the frame code. right?

i'm not looking for a fight.. i've been on this site for a year and i can not find a source for the clames that it is a frame code

please let me know if this is bad info.. no mater what it will be a post that people can find in a search and let newbies know whats up

The code name was FT86. AFAIK the production is AS1 as the chassis code. The 1 part definately makes sense for that.

AS1 is the chassis code.

i think you might just have to wait until there is an actual car to look at. i understand the concern but it doesnt really change anything as far as many people are concerned

Heck, I thought the pms w/ this same information would suffice :bellyroll:

No, FT86 was just what they called it at auto shows. As near as I can tell, 086A was the internal project code. It has the same alphanumeric format as the other semi-recent Toyota codes I was able to find with google.

2011 Camry = 050A
2004 Wish = 760N
2010 Livia = 700L
2011 Yaris = 830L

As for AS1, it might be the Subaru internal project code and/or the chassis code. I could make an argument for either.

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...9#post34183839

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...postcount=1035

Straight from the horse's mouth

While you're at it what does AFAIK mean? ><

http://bit.ly/sLYd5s

:bellyroll:

My eyes are opened @_@

Yay glade someone asked...

lol at As far as I know question!!!

This. /thread

bingo, this used to be the 086A forum back in the day, as well as the 216A forum.
i am fairly sure it is the chassis code (as in AS1) just like, kind of sort of, the AE86 was the chassis code for the famous corollas :)

AS1 has no congruency as a Toyota chassis code. Especially considering their designation for the engine is 4U-GSE.

It would be something along the lines of U***

Never mind. Let us call all - 86/GT86, FR-S, BRZ - AS1. And let us call the engine FA20. Afterall it is still a Subaru engine (Boxer).

thank you very much all for your contributions.

this thread was to show why people are at this time calling the cars, gt86/frs/brz, as1 ..

i couldn't get any credible info to back up claims from one of the guys calling it a "chassis code" (thanks for your input tho) .. and had a real hard time finding anything in a search.

with the detroit auto show 10 days away we do not have a confirmed chassis code and call the cars as1 after "Subaru of America's internal project code"--like said above .

when we plain to stick with a name for all 3 cars no matter what it is, frame codes, as1 or whatever.. will someone please let the rest of us know in a new thread so that people can :search:

thanks guys, cheers

ps: that link to google search is great!

Cause it isn't a Toyota chassis. :scared0016:

:bellyroll:

exactly

Whatever. Bury your head in the sand about it all you want.

Well it's not... :)

But Toyota will have a chassis code for it. I supposed both could use AS1 in the VIN but it's unlikely (hell neither of them may do so). We may just have to wait until production cars are out to determine that.

i'm with dave on this. as much of a toyota guy as i am there is no hiding the truth that it isnt a toyota chassis.

What I really want to see, is whether the Toyota/Scion vins start with JF or JT :)

It's hard to say, typically speaking Toyota still uses T, even if it's built in another company's factory. The only exception I can think of are the Corollas built at NUMMI, which started with 1N instead, however Tacomas built at the same factory start with 4T/5T, and Camrys built at the Subaru plant in the USA still use T.

It could go either way.

As for the chassis code, AS1 may be Subaru's internal designation for the project (as 086A was for Toyota), but that doesn't even mean that will be Subaru's production designation, and it certainly won't be Toyota's. Toyota has already assigned their own designation to the engine (4U-GSE), I suspect the chassis will of course be no different.

Toyota's chassis code will start with U, probably U_10, UX_10, or similar. I've no doubt that people will probably start using it to refer to the Toyota/Scion variants once it is known, and using Subaru's code (AS1 possibly) to refer to the Subaru variant. Whether one title/code becomes more prominent or not, we will have to wait and see I think.

Jeff

Why differentiate at all? As far as I can tell its all the same chassis, just different retailers.

At the end of the day it doesn't matter...to me at least

The BMW guys always ask for parts by chassis code (kind of have to for some companies even through BMW to get the right parts)

Yeah BMW is heavy on the chassis codes for a lot of their information/parts lookups. Toyota is moreso overseas (especially Japan, where they don't use model years), and most good Toyota parts people will know and use chassis codes a lot. It doesn't really matter what it is, just that you know what it is, and what it means.

Jeff

Someone just email Jack Hollis and ask

The fact remains that Toyota will have their own designation for it.

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With respect to it not being a Toyota chassis, in my eyes that's open to interpretation, as both parties seem to be congruent with the fact that while originally Subaru based, it is in effect, a new chassis that they came together to build. So it's bullshit to say that it's not a Toyota chassis. One of these days perhaps we will be privy to exactly the "who did what", not that it matters, really, because at the end of the day, it's here and it seems to be great. That being said, a lot of folks seemingly in some sort of Subaru fan club like to rub that "Subaru did this" or " Toyota couldn't have done it on their own" (total bull btw). Either way, one thing is clear, even if Toyota didn't do more than lift a finger to pull out their wallet, this car would not exist (or it it did, probably not in the same capacity) without them and that is a hard fact. So seriously, cut the crap, as the elitist attitude that has already begun to sprung up will do nothing good for the community.

Come on Metador. You have to have good humor about the situation and how Toyota had to ask for help to build an affordable sports car. :)

They didn't have to. They chose to do so for economic reasons.

I'll play devils advocate here:

Toyoda didn't think his co. could do it ...they have turned too bland and vanilla

woosh. :lol:

At the risk of carrying this thread way off topic, Who did they turn to for help with the LFA?

I don't see the LFA as an "affordable" sports car (feel free to make a whole new thread out of the "FR-S/GT86" forum but they sure are looking for help w/ battery tech and diesel technology (why can't they just do it on their own...)

Remember when it was first stated how much Subaru did and how little Toyota did? Most of these comments are making fun of the Toyota fanboys who slammed Subaru then. Until now the only Subaru I would have bought was the old 2.5RS so I doubt I'm a Subaru fanboy.

Agreed that without Toyota asking for their help it would have never happened though.

^ = Toyta having to ask for help. Doesn't matter the reason why. Toyota had the project idea but couldn't do it themselves.

When Subaru dropped out of the project it was dead until Subaru changed their mind and decided to come back and make things work.

With how much Toyota owns of Subaru, I have a feeling that even if Subaru wanted out, Toyota could have "convinced" them not to.

Jeff

16.5% isn't enough to say DO IT

Correct, and the project DID die for what, a year or more, until Subaru came back to the table.

I fully suspect that Subaru demanded something extra when they came back to the table..

Though, it is 16.5% of FHI, which would probably equate to a higher percentage of Subaru itself, but regardless, it's still more than anyone else owns, and it's probably enough to at least put some noteworthy pressure on them to do something if they really want to.

Regardless, this car isn't a Subaru chassis, or a Toyota chassis, it's something else. I know Subaru developed a lot of the chassis and that is very apparent from seeing the car. That being said, I think if you ask any Toyota guy they will look at the car and say this doesn't feel like a Toyota, likewise with Subaru guys. Various brands tend to have a consistent feel to the car. You get into it and expect things to be a certain way, the way switches look, the placement of things, etc. This car has a very Subaru feel to it for me, but I'm sure at the same time Subaru guys look at the BRZ and think it has a Toyota feel to it. Things like the mirror switches and the reservoir caps scream Subaru, but then you've got "Toyota" transmission and differentials with a D4-S system.

It's a unique car, which is pretty cool.

Jeff

not couldnt do it themselves, but didnt want to do it themselves. do people really believe that they can make the LF-A, yet cant make the FT? really? :iono:

and didnt the story go that subaru dropped out because they wanted AWD and toyota wanted RWD? and only after a prototype was made, that they went back?