Dutch General Director of Toyota comments on price
 

In this movie, its dutch but:
http://www.autoweek.nl/video/2711/au...-86-40000-euro

The General Director of Toyota & Lexus Import in The Netherlands comments on the price of the GT86 and he says it will be around 40.000 euro's. (depending on emissions)

Hyundai Genesis Coupe 2.0 Turbo is 42.000 euro's here so do the math.

• Peugeot RCZ - 1.6 turbo 200hp - starting 35.300
• Hyundai Genesis Coupe - 2.0 turbo 230hp - starting 42.000
• Renault Clio RS - 2.0 200hp - starting 30.000
• Renault Megane RS - 2.0 turbo 250hp - starting 33.000

(we have mad car taxes here, but you can compare now.)

40K euro?

That's pretty crazy.. that would be something like $53 or $54k in the states. Quite a lot for not so much.

40 000 euros in Europe ? they are crazy !!!

My Celica 2ZZ was 29.000€ brand new in 2002, can't be true with the work made with Subaru to reduce cost developpement or I'll really hate Toyota for doing money on this car coz they said they'll not.

Clio RS is starting at 23 700€ in france, seems that is a little problem concerning the price hmmmmm

Yea dont focus too much on converting the euros to dollars because it does not work that way. We have a base price here, then we add VAT 19%, then we add something called BPM, which is a special tax only The Netherlands have based on emissions and stuff. (about 40% added on top of base price)

Makes cars mad expensive here, so your 22k ? USD genesis coupe costs 42k euros.

This way you can compare.

Well, i think this is good news...
because the genesis coupe 2.0T starting at 27000€ (in Germany), so if the GT 86 will be 2000€ less expensive than the Hyundai or for instance the Golf GTI, i will be more than happy

cheers

Yep, european emission taxes sucks. Car prices are high here, especially powerful cars. Gt86 has one price advantage, it has low emission engine and better mileage than most of it's competitors. They are turboed and quite heavy, so their city mileage isn't great. And thats increase price. In finland, almost every hot hatch cost 40.000 euro. That's the price range i'm afraid.

I would just note that, in Romania (U.E.), the Genesis Coupe 2.0T is ~26700 euro, VAT included. There is still hope...

Impossible. However good the car is it can only be priced between the Clio RS and the Megane RS, so about 25.000 €. Otherwise this car is not affordable, and if it is not affordable, for this price I want CF chassis and 270 PS NA H4 with redline at 9.000 RPM.

Thanks for clarifying, I was aware that the UK had some pretty high taxes for cars but didn't know the Netherlands did too. Sorry to hear you guys get screwed like that.

So in the U.S it sounds like 22k-23k.

This is the first useful pricing information that has come out of a credible source. Thank you very much. Navi, as you point out, direct conversion using the currency exchange rate means nothing. Only the comparison with a benchmark (in this case, Hyundai Genesis Coupe) is relevant.

Once again my 21k -22k STANDS!!!

I would LOVE it if you're right. Though sadly, I'm not counting on it.

thanks navi

it is the first credible source.. i wont be holding my breath either but right around the 2.0 genesis coupe is good for me, $22,225 base msrp.. also it stands with the other info that it will be "affordable" and under the Subaru. can't wait to have more credible sources:)

Can't tell if serious or if troll -__-

+1

I THINK it's the price since we get a stripped car. :lol:

40k euros would be pretty heavy for me, i was hoping more in the 35k euros range, but we will have to see.

The way the general director comments on it doesn't really sounds nice, little bit hesitation, here is what he actually says, translated:

Starting from 2:45

Interviewer: We only talked about the prius now, but the GT86!
Director: Yea, yea
Interviewer: When is it coming?
Director:
Thats also a very nice car, it's also coming in 2012. And of course customers can quickly go to the dealerships to start ordering this car.
We look at it some way, but you guys look at it some way too, some of you have driven the car, utimate drivers car, rearwheel drive.
Interviewer: i cant wait pieter (pieter = name of director)
Director: and ideal weight distribution.
Interviewer: will be great having the car with us
Director: And affordable! (3:08 the moment when he raises his hand)
Interviewer: Affordable, what do you expect pricing wise?
Director: Hmmm wellll, i think we might be coming out at around 40.000 euros, depends a little bit on emissions. Thats most of the price in The Netherlands, but around 40.000.

Could be but think closer to $23k this car has to be more than the base genny coupe. But what people forget is that the base genny coupe does not have a limited slip diff. The genny coupe r spec is really closer to the frs...and that car is $24.5k.

So split the difference and you get $23.2k.

genny coupe has a turbo though, which is more expensive.

the most I would "ever" pay on a SCION is 25k, no more! if there talking about more than that it might as well be called a Lexus FRS! comon toyota!! what the hell is wrong with yall?

Ah yeah, but the engine in the FRS is defiantly high tech and the overall design is more expensive in the FRS vs the Genny coupe. .

Nobody on here said the FRS was going to be $25k...but it will be more expensive than the Civic Si and the base mustang V6 and the very base Genny coupe...

I know a lot of people are wanting the car to be as cheap as the Scion tC. But that is not going to happen.

Think $23.5k and you might be right. The thing is nobody has giving us a price range yet. Its all speculation. We do have a price range of the BRZ at $24k to $27k, so people are saying the FRS will be cheaper than that. We can only hope. For all we know the top BRZ might be at the low end of the $24k price range, which will make the FRS even cheaper.

If they want to compete with a Gen Coupe, price-wise, which is like 23k with turbo, and lots of options inside then, idk why the FR-S should be more honestly.

Exactly.

Back in the summer of '93 I was in Greece and decided to check out what my car costs there(at the time it was a '93 Civic Si). I paid $13,000 in the states, and the Greeks wanted well over $20k for the exact same car.

Gas prices is another factor that ignores currency conversion. Sometimes(often) it's good to be an American :)

I was just thinking about the old AE86 and how it fit in price wise with the market.

It was $11,800 sticker in 1985 in the US.

If you use the CPI data to calculate inflation, you get the following results. This doesn't really mean anything, just an observation.

Actually the Genny coupe at $23k has hardly anything in it..NO LSD, just about what is in the FRS\86 low spec. To get the goods you have to pay a lot more than $23k. The Genesis Coupe closest to FRS\86 low-spec is the 2.0 R-Spec...that is a $24.5k car.

That's why I think Scion has not made up its mind of what to include in the FRS as standard equipment. I think we are going to be surprised.

Haha! You are on to something...But remember the AE86 was a toyota not a Scion....Being a scion the FR-s will be cheaper or at the same price loaded out like a High Spec 86.

Sheesh, who is going to touch that at 40k when the Renos are below it.
I had thought of this car as having the potential to be a RWD RS Clio, but not at that price point. Very unfortunate for the car buying public in the Netherlands :-(

Renault Megane RS cost 39.000+ euros. I think GT86 is bargain for that price. Megane is still only a hot hatch with FWD. It is heavy albeit quite powerful, and it's not that good in gas mileage. It is a good car, but can't compete with 86.

Key difference is that coupe is a COUPE and hot hatch is only a hottier version from booring hatchback. I personally would gladly pay few grands more for a genuine sportscar..... :burnrubber:

No it doesn't over here, Megane RS starts at 33.000 euros.

bambbrose, this is useful information. Do you happen to have the trim information of this specific one with a sticker price of $11,800?

That was the gt-s hatch with AC, PS, LSD, Power Windows/locks, floor mats, and two tone exterior paint.

A stripper GT-S would come in around $800 less, in 1985 dollars, or $23127 adjusted for inflation.

If Scion has not made up its mind of inclusion and exclusion, what can you let go and what are the must have's while still keeping the price low? Here is my list.

Can let go
- Alminum wheels
- Automatic A/C (I do not think this will be included as a standard equipment anyway)
- Push button start
- HID

Must have
- Decent interior including leather wrapped wheel, shift knob and side brake (you will be SHOCKED if you see the interior of what will be sold as the standard trim level in Japan)
- Torsen LSD

Thanks. The number you have shown is very close to the number estimated by edmunds. Maybe, they used the same technique with yours. :thumbsup:

That is a fair point about wanting the Front Engine/Rear Wheel Drive setup, but Toyota shouldn't be putting such a huge premium on it, as that is it's only USP.

If people are going to be cross-shopping (new cars only) it with all the Euro-hot hatches, it would be nice to see it pegged more at the Clio price point than the Megane/Scirroco R/Golf GTi level.

Of course maybe in Europe people will instead be cross-shopping it with new MX-5's, used Elises & Boxsters instead.

This car will have aluminum wheels, all models shown so far do.

Was this car not made by Passion and not by Committee?

So Scion give us the upgraded interior, push start, HIDS with LED DRL's, dual Zone AC, and the leather\Alacantara seats as options.

:popcorn: